LOG Havoc + 11oxo Recomp
- 05-14-2012, 10:27 AM
I'm really excited about this cycle, my 2nd. Halo was first and I learned a lot.
***not running 11oxo with this. Idk how to change thread title***
A little about me...
Been lifting for a long time. My max body weight was 252 about 3 years ago.
Chinups 10 dead hang
Squat axx2grass 225(This is what I'm trying to improve the most)
Plyo jump 42"
So far, the cycle looks like this
Preload week 1 + 2
Cycle Asst 2pm
liquid milk thistle (in alcohol)
Cycle Asst 4am/4pm
Havoc 40mg (20mg am, 20 mg pm)
Liv 52 (import)
Cycle Asst 4am/4pm
Havoc 50mg (30mg am, 20 mg pm)
Week 6 also bulk DAA @ 3mg
PCT WEEKS 1-4
Cycle Asst 4am/4pm
PCT Asst 2/2
Torem 120x3 days, 90 x4 days/60/60/30
N1-T (dose as recommended) ***universal nutrition herbal test booster. Whatever, its probably junk but I will take it anyway***
DAA @ 3g
But I also have Erase Pro, so I was going to start that week 3 @ 1/day
DOPA Mucana (prolactin preventative)***mucana pruriens is in pct assist so this L-dopa is unnecessary ***
I Also have dermacrine and stano-200 but I need some help deciding which (prob not both?) to run*** going with dermacrine. Stano and epi are both dht derivatives. Too much dht= no bueno***
I have Animal Flex, Super Cissus, and tons of fish oil. Orange Triad @ 3x2/day I got really dry last time I ran 11 Oxo up to 750, so I was going to keep it at 300. But I also didn't have joint supps, so I might play with the mg's.
My workouts are definitely non-traditional
Last edited by threeFs; 08-18-2012 at 12:57 PM.
- 05-14-2012, 10:29 AM
" If you're looking for a work horse.......I'm no Clydesdale."
- 05-15-2012, 03:08 PM
I've been reading all day about lethargy caused by low cortisol. I will give it a few days but this is not normal for me to be this tired... And it was tough to wake up this morning. Another symptom of low cortisol. Well, at least I know its working
EDIT...NO LONGER RUNNING 11OXO
05-17-2012, 10:26 AM
Well, diet mountain dew is my new friend. It blasts away any lethargy in the afternoon and blunts appetite a little too.
It's definitely been harder to wake up in the mornings. Usually I pop out of bed at 353am but the last few days I've thought about skipping my workout. But I worked out all those days and had really good workouts. I guess it's all good once I'm up and suck down protein and pwo drink.
05-17-2012, 10:40 AM
I havnt noticed any lethargy sofar. This is day three for me and still feel normal. Ive taken naps all days so far but thats normal for me
05-17-2012, 11:38 AM
And I normally drink 1 1/2 gallons of water a day. But now I'm like 2 1/2 gallons. Thirsty all the time. That's a good thing. My water bottle is 1/2 gal so it's easy to keep track.
Naps are good, if my kids take theirs, I get one too
05-17-2012, 12:58 PM
05-17-2012, 01:10 PM
Subbed. Good luck bro. Just started a very similar cycle myself. What are your goals for this cycle, recomp, lean bulk, cutter? Also, for DAA dosage did you mean 3g?
05-17-2012, 02:55 PM
Yup, 3g. Good catch, thanks.Originally Posted by raida
My goals are to shed some bf% and increase leg strength, specifically squats and vertical plyometric jump. So recomp with diet mods, intermittent fasting (which I'll see if I can maintain after starting havoc next week) high intensity intervals/Tabata stuff and heavy lifting.
I like being my own science experiment
05-18-2012, 08:42 AM
05-19-2012, 10:43 AM
05-26-2012, 03:27 PM
" If you're looking for a work horse.......I'm no Clydesdale."
05-26-2012, 08:02 PM
05-27-2012, 06:14 AM
I'm going to run a cycle of clen and cut some more before I run the havoc/11
08-17-2012, 01:54 PM
Day 1+2 only
Havoc 20mg am 10mg pm
after that it will be 20+20
nothing to report. Just started this today. Slept well until 230 am then stayed awake until my 4am wakeup. I fasted for 24 hours yesterday and lifted on a 12 hour fast. That was fun but prob won't do that again soon.
Stairs for 15, squats for about 25 minutes, leg press machine, quads, hams. 603 calories in 74 minutes.
Stano or dermacrine? I have both
08-18-2012, 11:39 AM
I know what high blood pressure is. My pwo was probably too much. Weird pressure in my ears.
Slept well, diet was perfect yest.
282 g protein
Stairs for 25 with 45lb kettle bell. BB rows+185. Rear delt flys. Straight arm pulldowns. Bridge 2:30
808 calories in 59:11
Weight 199.4 lbs
My left front delt is still a bit pulled from heavy dead lifts last week. That's why I didn't go heavier on the rows. That's also why I have to not do chest or dead lifts for another few days. Gay.
08-18-2012, 06:53 PM
Ay bro im on board. Looking forward to see some great gains. Keep it updated man.
08-19-2012, 01:19 PM
last night we were at another couple's house. Everybody was drinking margaritas except me. The guy was cool as he was sober for 5 years. My wife and the other wife were giving me **** about not drinking. Problem solved, I told them both to f*ck off.
Diet was 59g carbs, 60g fat, 255g protein. Slept great
Today's workout- easy deadlifts (but 10 sets) because of my retarded shoulder
lots of shrugs, cable chest and pec deck (again kind of light) and a bunch of varied cable triceps. Then ab machine which I rarely do.
I drank white flood before my workout and BP was ok.
It was slow to start since I didn't do any cardio bit I ended up with 756 calories in 81 minutes.
Of course I was feeling best when I had to leave they gym. I could have done the whole workout again but I had to get my kids out of the child center. I felt kind of angry today working out which is new- and kind of cool.
I also spent an hour putting my whole cycle into little bags like AM ph, am cycle assist, pm PH and pm CA. I'm a dork like that but it's easy to just grab a baggie and keep it in my pocket to stay on time.
08-20-2012, 10:40 AM
Woke up at 2am, couldn't go back to sleep. Drank white flood with protein at 4am, gym at 5. I felt awesome this morning. Run, chin ups, squats, deadlifts, reverse hypers, bridge 3:00
Overall it was 88 minutes and 929 calories. I felt awesome and strong. I alternated between running for a little while and then 7-10 strict chinups. I did that about 7 times. Overall, just an awesome feeling.
Diet yesterday was
08-21-2012, 10:12 AM
I slept better. White flood and protein 4am. I also took wome extra beta alanine because I like the tingly. I felt good, stong, focused. Workout was row machine, then rope pulls (I hook up the 40 ft rope to the weight tree and pull it for speed/power) then more row machine, then bridge. Overall was 921 cals in 72 mins. I know people say the EPI takes some time to kick in but I feel it, placebo or not. I'm getting more vascular, I have great energy all day, and I'm not that hungry. I love it.
08-21-2012, 12:35 PM
i actually already subscribed to your thread like 1 or 2 days ago haha..
looking forward to see how it works for you - cant wait to get mine started.
good luck on your ride, and pleaaase dont quite this log halfway-through. it suks to read like 20pages to see the logger quite when it began to work bigtime haha
08-21-2012, 12:49 PM
no man, I'm on it. The log is also for my own to look back on. Someone told me one time that once you start PH...
when are you starting?
08-21-2012, 01:27 PM
good to hear man- i think its also pretty interesting how ur body reacts during and after pct and so on.
probably in around 2 months, end of oktober or start of november.. think it would be cool to still be on it by christmas, so i can use the christmas feed orgy but ill see how it fits best into everything. still cutting atm cause of a photoshooting in a few days and i want to use those 2 months to lean bulk natty and use that memory effect to get some natty lbs before hitting the roidsbuiz
08-22-2012, 09:17 AM
I love using myfitnesspal
I ate a little more yesterday. This morning's workout was all legs. Stairs for 10 on level 88 with a 162 sprint for 30 seconds. It was easy. 12 sets of squats from 135,155,175,195,205. Then I went to plyo jumps where I land on a platform on top of a 75lb dumbbell on 1 foot. When I land up there,I do 1 leg squats x5. Today my knees felt dry for the first time, so I stopped after 2 sets on each leg. The EPI is definitely starting to kick in because I can usually do those jumps for like 30 minutes.
Then I went to leg press real slow and as deep as I could. Then quad extensions, then prone hamstring curls. I could have worked out all day
98 minutes and 1005 calories. Solid.
I guess it's time to start the super cissus and animal flex today
08-22-2012, 10:02 AM
sounds cool. good luck with your knees / joints and that the positive epi effects will kick as fast as possible !
edit: have u tried carb cycling ? i made pretty good experience with this for a recomp + from what ive heard the havoc will show its effects a little more if ure higher on carbs
08-22-2012, 10:39 AM
I've lost almost 70 lbs and 11 inches from my waist a couple years ago from very low carbs. (I blew up when I got engaged/married/etc) I currently have 1 cheat day per week that is really high in carbs, like pizza or something. I also read the blood type diet book that recommends high meat/low carb for type O blood. But I do play around with carb levels and when I'm feeling like I need some, I up it. But I'm wary of eating too many carbs on ph or not. But I guess this whole thing is an experiment on myself all around...
08-22-2012, 11:02 AM
ok so it seems you know ur stuff pretty well. just wanted to give some input
what cycles have you done before ? only the hdrol listed in first post ?
08-22-2012, 12:20 PM
yeah, just hdrol and now this epi
08-23-2012, 08:40 AM
Today I felt real strong and super focused at the gym. I ran for a few minutes to warmup. Then bench (I almost never do bench) 135, 185, 185+45lb chains. I f*kn wrecked my shoulder. It was already fkd up and the bench just made it retarded. I'm pissed. Anyways, then I did a bunch of cable flys and then back for some more bench. Then I ran for about another 15 minutes on incline 8
I felt really good and the bench was not my max but my shoulder was limiting my weight. I got 961 cals in 91 minutes. I'm looking really vascular in my arms especially my forearms. I have a cool new vein running from my wrist all the way up my left bicep. I already had the one on the right.
I can really feel a drying effect and my abs are showing a bit more. I'm just pissed I couldn't push as hard as I wanted to because of the shoulder. whatever
08-24-2012, 08:49 AM
This morning I did 30 minutes on the stairs with a 50lb barbell on my shoulders. I was on level 62 the whole time. My heart was pounding hard, probably from the white flood. I don't care, I love the focus and stim. My legs and back felt really strong and tight
Then I did about 30 minutes on the leg press with different weights up to 300. I went as deep as possible and all my muscles tight. It felt awesome. some sets fast and high reps, some sets slower and less reps. Then I did cable biceps with different wrist positions and .Even now, almost 4 hours after I started my workout, I still have that super alpha feeling and high energy. Today was 86:50 and 919 calories
Joints aren't dry anymore. I have noticed a little more aggression and a shorter fuse in my patience. I'm glad I didn't start the havoc at 30mg. 40 seems awesome.
08-24-2012, 11:42 AM
glad to hear that the havoc's kickin in that fast! hope my cycle will start to be effective this fast,too
08-25-2012, 01:03 PM
How is the mirror looking? And do you feel like its "fully" kicked in yet?
08-25-2012, 02:42 PM
Mirror is looking better! I have veins popping out of the top of my forearms now and that one up my left bicep is lasting longer and longer each day. Lifting feels really awesome. Weights are getting heavier but form is staying in check. So I can definitely tell it's working. I know people say it takes until week 3 or whatever, so I'm really stoked for that.
I spent lots of time today working out this knot in my upper back. I think the shoulder impingement is stemming from muscle tightness all around the joint. I was rolling on a lacrosse ball for awhile on my back and then on the front of my shoulder. I feel like I'm working it out and losing the sharp pain in my anterior delt. After my workout, I was laying on a kettlebell and had a 50lb one on the front of my shoulder to push me into it. It hurt like hell but felt great at the same time.
Anyway, I felt strong today. It wasn't my super high intensity workout like usual. I ran for about 15 minutes on a 10.5 incline. Then I did deadlifts for about 30 minutes. I got a new best of 375x1. I think I could have gotten 385 but this shoulder is still goofy. Then I did some body weight rows in the smith machine and then some 1 arm rows in there with 85. It's not the most weight I've ever done 1 arm but the muscle contraction felt really solid in my arms and back. Overall it was 675 calories in 71 minutes
so far, ZERO sides. I was hearing rumors of EPI on the upcoming banned list and I was thinking of starting a stockpile. I love this PH so far. I mean it's awesome.
111g carbs (high for me)
91 g fat
08-26-2012, 04:56 PM
Yes it is on the ban list. However it still has to pass in BOTH houses ( witch can take a while) so no hurry. Good to hear though bro. Becareful with that shoulder!
08-26-2012, 05:01 PM
Also any back pumps? Or calfs punps when running?
08-26-2012, 07:47 PM
no calf pumps. Back pumps, no not really. Maybe juuuust beginning to start but I've also been lifting back alot. I've been rolling the shot out of my back on these lacrosse balls. Its definitely helping but I still can't do dips or bench. Cable chest toys have been OK though so I guess I will just ride it out like that.
My neutral grip pull ups today were cool. My whole body was completely flexed and the pull ups were easy. That's definitely new. Tomorrow is squats, running, and pullups.
My sex drive is way up. Waaaay up. That's definitely new and awesome. When I was cutting on clen, I had zero sex drive so its good to be back.
08-27-2012, 08:49 AM
My muscles are feeling strong and tight all day. The vascularity in my forearms is more and more, now starting in my front delts and in my neck. I did squats today, nor trying for PR, just slow and as deep as possible. I did about 10 sets of 135-185. It was easy but I didn't add more weight, just upped the reps and sets. Then a circuit of 10 24" rapid plyo jumps into pullups, into deadlifts, into squats. I did that circuit 4 times. Then leg press machine until my low back got too tight, about 5 sets @200. Then some lat pull variations. Today I'm going to look into massage options. My traps/lats/delts are tight and knotted up..
08-28-2012, 09:32 AM
My shoulder was feeling almost back to normal until this morning's workout. I jacked myself up on purpose because I have a massage. I killed my workout this morning. I did 10 sets of 5 like this: 3 plyo boxes in a row 12", 18", 24" jump over,over,on top. Then jump down, burpee,pushup, jump up to chin up. It's one of my hardest workouts. My heart rate gets up to like 180 which is high for age 34. Anyway, after some lat pulls it was 825 calories in 60 minutes.
My muscles are dry and tight all the time now. It's totally awesome and I love the feeling. I feel really strong everywhere. I feel like I want to do chinups and squats all day.
I ate more than usual yesterday. I had a 1 bread pb&j before bed and a bunch of almond butter. Sometimes my body just does not want to be in a deficit. Also, I'm drinking more water than usual I'm 2 gallons easy and still thirsty.
08-29-2012, 10:18 AM
Massage was awesome. I'm much better, I'd say about 85%. I killed my legs today. Squats were easy, even with a pause at the bottom. I got sets of 4-5 up to 250lbs. I don't know how many sets I did, prob around 10. Then I did some 1 leg plyo jumps into pistol squats. I did about 5 sets of 5 on each leg. I started getting a little shaky from the PWO drink and my heart rate got pretty high. Then 7 sets of 25 jump squats. My low back started getting really tight so I hit the foam roller. That is new from the EPI so I took some taurine to help it out. I felt really strong and tight today. When I was in the sauna afterwards, I was wishing I had time to do the whole workout over. 848 calories in 77 minutes. Definitely feeling the EPI working now. I feel great and energized all the time. Water is 2+ gallons easy.
08-30-2012, 02:03 PM
Man, this is definitely getting cool. When I do chinups and pullups now, my whole body is flexed so tight I don't swing at all. The movements are super controlled and I feel like a professional. Barbell rows were easy at 205 today. Then I did good mornings for the first time in a long time @135. I could have gone heavier but I those tend to cripple me enough and I want to be able to do squats in 2 days. I did a front lat pulldown machine at 110 each hand and then some cable lat pulls with different hand angles. I feel like I could do chinups all day. I am noticing some tightness in my low back so I'm at 1-2g taurine x2/day. But I've also doing lots of back lifts. I feel like I want to lift all the time, even when I just finish, even if I lift for like 90 minutes. I could keep going. Even if I cash myself out in a set, I'm fully recovered in like 1-2 minutes. It's wild
Today was 606 calories in 74 minutes.
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