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    First AAS Cycle Log (Test E / Test Prop Kicker)


    I am already three weeks into my first cycle with "real" gear. I did a helladrol cycle a while back, used clomid for PCT and had good results, so I have decided to take the plunge.


    Week 1-4 600mg Test E, 100 mg Test Prop EOD.
    Week 5-8 600mg Test E
    Week 8-12 800mg Test E

    Week 2 I started using forma stanzonal as the bloat was getting really ****ty. It works as advertised. It is the beginning of week three and I just switched to Arimidex .5mg EOD. I was planning on starting that in week 4 but I've got enough to just run it all the way through. I HATED the bloat and won't run another cycle without an AI, ever.


    PCT: I am going to run nolva weeks 11-14, and then start clomid for four weeks on week 14 once all the Test E is out of my system. I'm also going to take tribulus and creatine during PCT to try and keep my gains.

    Other Supps: I take NOExplode, milk thistle, saw palmetto, a multi-vitamin, and fish oil year round. I've also got some Glucosamine, chonodroitin, MSM joint support supps on hand in the event that I over do the AI and dry out my joints. Helladrol did that too me at the end of my cycle and really ****ed my **** up.


    If this goes well then after PCT and a four month hiatus from AAS, I want to run another cycle with a Test E base and some type of oral (still researching what that cycle will look like).

    I had planned to take HCG from weeks 4-11 but all be damned if my HCG source didn't fall through. End of week three and the boys are definitely smaller I can tell I am shut down. I know a lot of guys cycle without HCG but I'm still working on getting some. If I can run some HCG mid-cycle I figure I will keep more gains when I come off because PCT will be easier. I had EVERYTHING in hand before I started my cycle EXCEPT the HCG, should have listened I know having everything in hand before you start is the protocol everyone preaches and looks like I should have listened.




    I'll give a run down of my experiences so far and then update bi-weekly or so.

    WEEK 1
    Beginning of week 1 I was weighing in at about 225lbs. As a reference, I was doing 225lbs on bench press for 6-8 reps (three sets). I was doing three sets of twelve on squats with 225lbs (weak sauce I know). Right now I am three weeks in and I maxed 315 on bench yesterday and am doing three sets of six with 275lbs on bench press. I'm also doing three sets of ten with 315 on squats.

    Week one I felt real motivated and had good workouts. Likely a mental thing. I did notice some additional fatigue and lethargy during during week 1 in general but that has passed. I wasn't taking an AI so at the end of Week 1 I was so ****ing bloated.


    WEEK 2
    I missed two workouts because of painful injection sites. I have been very careful about making sure that I do everything correctly and everything is sterile. Watched a bunch of videos on youtube and did research on where / how to safely inject, etc. I was beginning to worry that I was doing something wrong or that there was something wrong with the gear. I mean, I'm no *****, and the pain was so bad I could barely walk at times. I knew I wasn't dealing with infections because of my research, but holy ****. I damn near wanted to say the hell with it and skip straight to PCT. Since then apparently my muscles have adapted or developed scar tissue because I've been able to push through the pain and its been getting better and better. I am rotating injection sites, between my glutes and my shoulders. I did an quadricep shot once and holy **** I'm not doing those again, really ****ed up my leg training for a few days there.

    I was also having serious problems with bloating and started the forma stanzonal because I had originally planned to save the Arimidex to start taking it at week 4. I had no idea I would bloat so fast. By week two I was pushing 240lbs, mostly water weight. It was ****ing brutal and I felt like a beached whale. The forma stanzonol did the trick, it took me only a couple of days to lose about ten lbs of water.


    WEEK 3

    Cycle is really starting to come into its own. I'm at the beginning of week three and I've only got one more week of the test prop kicker, after that I get to stick to Test E only as it will be built up and kicking in. My lifts are WAY up, I am probably at least 25% stronger if not more so. Right now I am weighing 235lbs solid. Thats ten ****ing lbs I've gained already and its mostly dry.


    I am ****ing stoked!!
    I can't wait to get off work and lift today, every single time I hit the gym I get stronger. This cycle is going GREAT so far. Getting over the initial hump of learning to pin and letting my body adapt has been the worst / hardest part so far. Holy **** I could barely move there for about a week / week and a half. I think I might just run a Test E base and some orals for my next cycle so I don't have to **** with these needles so much. My wife has become a professional little injection nurse at this point we have the **** down to a science, lol. She is very supportive and we train together so its been great. It was a rocky start but I'm getting stronger every day and I ****ing feel like Jesus, lol. I'll try to post some "before" pics and then update with progress pics as I go along.


    Thank you so much to all my bro's on this forum for all the knowledge and support that has allowed me to do this productively and safely and try to get the most out of it. You guys kick ass!


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    Well I must have under dosed my ****in AI a day or two, I'm bloated as **** and gained about five lbs of water weight in one day (how the **** does that happen? )

    Anyhow, back day was good as far as bench-marks on my core lifts go I did lat pull downs with 240 x 12 (2 sets) and 260 x 6...also a pyramid with bent-over rows with a 225 lbs 6 rep set for the heavy. Pretty ****in good that is about a 35% increase on each lift.

    We are getting there. Off to hydrate and try to get this bloat balanced back out.



    eta: I suspect it possibly takes longer for the Arimidex to "kick in" then I anticipated and I stopped the forma stanzonal a bit early...hence the bloat. I only over-lapped maybe two days...hence the estrogen spike from aromatization of test and the excessive bloat...


    If I've learned anything yet doing AAS its that I praise Jesus I was born a man...poor bitches having to deal with PMS this bloating **** sucks lol j/k
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    This looks like a great run! Kill it bro
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    In full disclosure I have no scientific knowledge of any possible relationship between high estrogen and PMS, lol, so don't go quoting that as broscience lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    This looks like a great run! Kill it bro

    thanks brother I appreciate it!
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    So my gains have been great and other then bloating (which the addition of an AI is helping temendously) I havent had issues with sides.


    I'm on my last week of the test prop kicker and I'm really ****ing tempted to order a bottle of superdrol / beastrdol, run it and bulk for four more weeks, and then use my last four weeks to cut.


    Thoughts?
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    Why not keep the forma running if it was working for you.
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    Thats probably a good question...only because I guess I had planned on the Arimidex. I wasn't going to start that until week four (I wouldn't have had enough if I started earlier), and then I got BAD bloat right out of the gate. Some forma stanzonal fell into my hands so I went with that.

    But yeah it was working great. Only concern I really have with it is that my wife is pregnant and I definitely don't want to be leaving any topical hormonal **** even on clothes that she is going to wash...just figured sticking to the arimidex plan was a better bet
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    So no opinions on stacking the superdrol???
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    Im a one compound only kinda guy, so I wouldn't be able to offer much. It does seem, however that the more you take the greater odds of sides there are... Plus without hcg, I wouldn't push your luck too much...
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    What's the wife think about your aas usage?
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    Man I think you are right. I had another knowledgeable person tell me that I should wait until next cycle when I have the HCG because Superdrol + Test will shut me down hard. I guess I'll order me a bottle of the superdrol just in case the nanny-state peckerwoods decide to try and get ride of it before my next cycle. I'll save it for next time and keep working on getting a stash of HCG.

    My wife is real supportive of my endeavors lol. In fact she does my pins most of the time. She is big into fitness as well and we actually train together every day.


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    As you can see she's not a p*ssy and she trains almost as hard as I do, lol
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    Happy you are doing well. I suggest Formeron as your AI, it is far better than that Mr. Supps crap, I know since I have both and have used both. I am on 800mgs and I have little to none on 1 pump a day and can dry out a lot in a few days with 2 pumps for 3 days. Injection pain goes down a lot after week 4 in my experience and make sure you aren't pushing it in too fast.
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    Thanks guys.

    Apparently I don't need the HCG anyway. I am taking .5mg of arimidex every day and my balls came back close to normal size already. I'm guessing it is because most of the test is not aromatizing into estrogen and therefore my body doesn't realize it is already flooded with testosterone and its telling my nuts to stay busy. lol, good ****. Got ride of most of the bloat too I feel great.

    I decided to hold off until next cycle to stack the superdrol. I'm heading into the fourth week and getting stronger as ****. I'm hovering about 235lbs now and I'm damn dry. Good stuff.
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    Good to hear your nuts are still around, lol... Keep up the good work brotha!
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    It sounds like your AI is good considering it dried you out quick. I am in week 9 and I am not taking HCG; balls are normal sized and work just fine. I think the formeron really is helping a ton with that. I may run HCG sooner than later but the long term use is not well documented and if I cruise I am not going to run it during that, dose is low on test so why bother. You can finish off your cycle with an oral if you like, many do that to continue growing.
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    thanks guys...I might have to try that formeron next time.

    yeah I really think the utility of an AI is really underratted. I mean my balls were tiny and they swoll back up quick. I don't think I'll ever cycle without one especially for the bloat, I ****ing HATE being bloated.

    Oh my weight stats were ****ed up so so much for this being a decent log. Come to find out the damn scale at the gym is all ****ed up. I am however gaining noticeable mass I will put up some pics soon of right before my cycle and now. I'm still getting stronger too, yesterday was back day and I lifted personal bests on every single ****ing excersize. I feel like a ****ing beast I am loving this.

    I really am tempted to finish with an oral. Or maybe run superdrol for four weeks and then use the last four weeks to clean up / cut before PCT. I mean I really am not having issues with sides so maybe why the hell not.

    Any suggestions for an oral to possibly finish out this cycle? I've more or less narrowed this down to winstrol, superdrol, or anavar. I don't want bloat right now. I can actually get oral or injectable winstrol I know the oral is harder on the liver. What do you all think? I would probably prefer the one out of the three that is easiest on sides.

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    I'm so glad I finally made the decision to do this. One of the best ****ing decisions I ever made. BALLS DEEP!
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    I'd love to run anavar at 40 mg a day for the last six weeks but damn its expensive! Winstrol seems to be pretty harsh, if it turns out I can't drop the coin for the anavar I wonder if I would be better off with winstrol at 50mg a day for six weeks or running superdrol for four weeks. They are both pretty harsh.

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    What did you decide? Winny, SD, or var?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood View Post
    What did you decide? Winny, SD, or var?

    I think I have, unfortunately, decided to play it safe and let this cycle play out as planned. On cycle is going great but I probably should experience PCT with test only to prepare me for future cycles, so that I know what drug is doing what.

    I'm thinking about researching a test / tren based cycle for the fall. I'll be better prepared for it if I've been through the whole process with test only...and I'm damn sure going to have every possible support drug on hand that I could possibly need for every possible side, just in case.

    Slow and steady wins the race, right. I can't wait until I'm ready for some more advanced cycles but I think in the long run I will get more out of AAS if I do it right and take the time to learn how my body reacts to different dosages and drugs.

    I was reading that Tren is FIVE times more anabolic then test. Holy ****! I can't even imagine what that would be like because I am getting strong as ****. Did shoulders yesterday and did overhead press for three reps with 225lbs! The other sets were 135 x 12 and 175 x 6. I just can't believe the strength gains I am seeing. Every single one of my lifts has increased AT LEAST 30%. It is just ****ing insane I am loving every minute of this ****.

    Oh and my sex drive is always very high anyway but holy ****, me and the mrs. are going like seven times a day when I don't have work, lol. I think she is liking this too haha.
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    It's refreshing to see someone actually do research and be responsible at doing an irresponsible thing! I'm bout to start my 6th cycle (in 11 years) and still haven't been brave enough to use tren, so if you do next time I wish you best of luck!!
    It's funny how some guys come on here and say I'm just gonna do one cycle, at least you recognize this is just the beginning, lol... Keep killing **** bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood View Post
    It's refreshing to see someone actually do research and be responsible at doing an irresponsible thing! I'm bout to start my 6th cycle (in 11 years) and still haven't been brave enough to use tren, so if you do next time I wish you best of luck!!
    It's funny how some guys come on here and say I'm just gonna do one cycle, at least you recognize this is just the beginning, lol... Keep killing **** bro

    Hahaha that's funny "responsible at doing an irresponsible thing" lol. To me its all about cost / benefit analysis. I've always been good at taking calculated risks. I don't want to recklessly **** myself up but you only live once and I'll be damned if I am going to let fear or anything else hold me back. There are literally hundreds of thousands of guys and athletes doing AAS productively.

    Thanks for all the support bro...I don't know how people used to do this **** without being able to come on here and learn from people who know what they are doing and are willing to share their experience and knowledge. Its no wonder people have ****ed themselves up with AAS at times. Hell a friend of mine who moved a while back calls me up and tells me he is going to start a test cycle and this and that, and he didn't even know what PCT, AIs, etc. were. I had to argue with his dumbass for hour just to get him to agree to get some nolva for PCT and to have on hand in case of gyno. And people wonder why they lose all their gains when they come off and grow tits. Well no **** sherlock do your ****ing research! lol

    As far as the tren I haven't decided for certain yet I still have to do a lot of research but the possibilities sure are enticing. When I read that it was five times more anabolic then testosterone I was like holy **** no way how is that even possible haha.
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    I'm actually glad you pointed this out because its got me rethinking, some more research might be in order. Well, since I am taking Test E which has a long half-life and won't really be "off" cycle until week 14, I keep reading that you are supposed to wait until two weeks after your last Test E pin before you start PCT. At the same time I almost hate to be sitting around during that time doing nothing and wondering if my body is needing a SERM.

    I *think* clomid is better at actually restarting the HPTA while nolva is better at blocking some of the bad effects of high estrogen (gyno in particular), so I figured running nolva at the tail end of the cycle when my test dosages are highest leading into clomid for PCT would be as about as solid of a PCT as you could run. I don't know if that is the best way to do it or not to be honest.

    The AI is working so well that I am beginning to question whether I even really need to take both nolva and clomid or if I shouldn't save one of them for my next cycle. All in all this is a pretty mild cycle...perhaps I can just hold on to the nolva. Of course I will have to wait and see how my body is doing, if I'm having sides, etc. Then again I definitely don't want any gyno from estrogen rebound.

    If anybody else has any thoughts on this please chime in.
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    That's why I use Toremifene... It's been my go to for last few cycles and will continue to be...balls blow back up in size and I don't even really feel like I'm even in pct...
    If I remember correctly, I believe you run the AI up to pct then stop it while on serm unless issues developed, then jump back on AI... I don't even really do that, but I'm not estrogen sensitive, so I'm probably not one to ask on that... I really don't even use an AI throughout cycle, except for maybe weeks 6-8.... That's about when levels are highest so I use a small bit to combat slight nip sensitivity...
    While I'm thinking, if i were you I'd get some cialis to have on hand. It's frustrating when you either can't get or maintain an erection during or after pct... Stuff is good to occasionally use and fun when you have an erection that you can drill holes around the house with, lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood View Post
    That's why I use Toremifene... It's been my go to for last few cycles and will continue to be...balls blow back up in size and I don't even really feel like I'm even in pct...
    If I remember correctly, I believe you run the AI up to pct then stop it while on serm unless issues developed, then jump back on AI... I don't even really do that, but I'm not estrogen sensitive, so I'm probably not one to ask on that... I really don't even use an AI throughout cycle, except for maybe weeks 6-8.... That's about when levels are highest so I use a small bit to combat slight nip sensitivity...
    While I'm thinking, if i were you I'd get some cialis to have on hand. It's frustrating when you either can't get or maintain an erection during or after pct... Stuff is good to occasionally use and fun when you have an erection that you can drill holes around the house with, lol...

    hahaha yeah I probably will...I ocassionally get some viagra from a research chems even though everything works without it, because like you said even if you don't need it it is still quite entertaining lol...was planning on having some around just in case.

    Thanks for all the help man...I'll keep you guys posted on what I'm learning throughout the cycle and what I decide to do and everything.
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    Well hell...after all the noise I was talking about taking my time building up to more powerful stacks I've been reading like a banshee about tren.

    I'm thinking of adding it on to my last six weeks, and either taking some injectable winny with it to combat prolactin or tracking down some caber. Probably caber would be a better bet because if something goes wrong I won't know if it was the winny or the tren.

    I think I pretty well know now how I react to the test. I've been seeing people around the net saying the first time you run a tren cycle running it the last six weeks of a test cycle is a good way to go.


    Two questions. Is winny as useful as caber for stopping prolactin based sides from tren? Secondly, what do you all think of me adding in tren at 50mg every other day for the last six weeks?
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    The more I read the more I think I should just chill the **** out and wait until the fall to try a test / tren cycle.



    eta: Just read about anxiety issues caused by prolactin increases from tren. That is something I DO NOT need right now. Also, the arimidex has helped minimize suppression to a degree from the test. If I go adding tren to the mix, which suppresses you somehow even though it doesn't aromatize, how are you supposed to combat that without HCG? I don't even understand the mechanism behind that suppression. I'm not going to have enough time between now and the last six weeks of my cycle to do enough research to add in the tren correctly.

    To top it off, I just read that you need to stop tren at least 1-2 weeks before you come off the test. My whole PCT timing might not be conducive to running tren at the end either I just don't know.

    Damnit, my hopes and dreams have been dashed! haha at least I have something to look forward to for my next cycle. This one is going pretty damn good anyway.
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    right!
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