Phera (P-Plex) and Stano-200 log

[Tansui]

I've tweaked this cycle quite a bit, but I think I've finally got it dialed in just right

I was planing on running Furaguno along side the P-Plex, then a couple of days ago LGI released their Stano-200 and I figured there would be a lot of interest in seeing this logged. I will be starting the cycle 1 week late seeing as the Stano-200 wont be shipped till tomorrow (my original start date) so that means 1 more week of preloading.

The Goal
This cycle will be a bit more ambitious than my previous cycle. I intend to gain 16 lbs of lean body mass while shedding 2 points of body fat. (those are the lowest benchmarks I wouldn't be disappointed with). In truth I would love to go up 20 with a loss of fat. I've only been back in the gym for just over a month. I was out of the gym for about 7 months with joint issues. While out I lost about 20lbs I would like to get back to where I was, and do so before the close of 2012. This is the kickstart!

The History
I'm 30 and this will be my 2nd cycle, the 1st one being just over 2 years ago. On that cycle I had great gains , held those gains, and added a bit... for the better part of 2 years.

My 1st cycle
Epi 25/50/50
Bold 600/600/600/1000/1000/1000/1000/1000


The Cycle
P-Plex 20/20/30/30/30
Stano-200 400/600/600/600/600/800/800
(the 1st 2 days I will only dose 200mg of Stano)

The Supports
Fishoil: 10g/ed
Hawthorne Berry: 1g/ed
Milk thistle: 1g/ed
Multi-V

The PCT
Nolvadex: 40/20/20/10
DAA 3g/ed
Rhodiola Rosea: 1g/1g/500mg/500mg (cortisol)
Vitamin C: 1g/ed (cortisol)
DIM: 600mg/400mg/200mg/200/mg (estrogen metabolizer)

The Diet

This will be an impeccably clean bulk, goal is 4000 calories per day.

Protein (45% of total caloric intake) will come by way of canned tuna, skinless chicken breast, lean ground turkey, roasted turkey breast, and the occasional, salmon, or tilapia. Supplemented by Truenutrition: Rice Protein Concentrate non-GMO 75%, Dextrose 15%, Taurine 10%

Carbohydrates (40% of total caloric intake) will come by way of juiced fresh veggies and fruit, supplemented with cooked black beans, black eye peas, lima beans, sweet potatoes, brown rice and whole wheat pasta.

Fats (15% of total caloric intake) Fish oil, olive oil, and peanut oil almost exclusively. I will have limited chicken and turkey fat.


The Log
I have always sucked at journals and the like (as evedint by my 1st cycle), so I will not likely update daily but I will update as often as something note worthy occurs I'd be honored to have as many of you all along as might be interested.

 

[Tansui]

14 lbs gained

Here's a quick update I am 2 months post cycle wanted to let you all know how this cycle turned out.

1st off this was a great cycle for me and I think it was just what I needed, after my 4 weeks of pct I felt great but about a week later started getting some estro rebound I wanted to get to homeostasis without adding a pharma grade AI after PCT... eventually after trying to manage with nolvadex @ 10mg eod I had to go to an AI. So I'm tapering down 6 bromo now (in 2nd week of 3 week taper 75/50/25)... next cycle I'll use erase pro instead of a herbal cort control and AI.

Aside from the estro rebound related minor gyno which is shrinking as I type I'm incredibly happy with this cycle. I'm MUCH stronger today than when I ended the cycle. I'm still sitting at 172 lbs and have new PR's on all my lifts, strength continues to grow, BF is down a bit, vascularity is up a bit, (I added low dose ECA as a prework out to my staple year round sups)

3 weeks of 6-bromo sorta put a wrench in my plan for a for a mid August start date on the next cycle... but hopefully I'll be ready to go by late September. If September is a no go, at the latest I'll my m-drol/h-drol bridge in October some time. I think Ill keep Letro on hand in the future.


Day 1 of cycle
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Day 1 PCT
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60 days post cycle

 

[hungryH]

goals are unrealistic. post pct, 20lbs with fat loss is almost guaranteed not to happen. not a hater just a realist.

 

[Tansui]

goals are unrealistic. post pct, 20lbs with fat loss is almost guaranteed not to happen. not a hater just a realist.

I expect to hear that and I would believe it If I had not responded so well on my previous Epi/Bold cycle. On that cycle I was pretty strict on my diet but it was not as clean as it should have been; I put on nearly 20lbs on that cycle and 90% of the gains were from the first 3 weeks of Epi.

As I stated I won't be disappointed if I gain 16lbs and drop 3-4 lbs of fat but I have got to set the bar high.

 

[Tansui]

Breakfast

All the veggies and fruit are freshly juiced

 

[liftsalot]

In for the ride man good luck I'm about to start a p-plex cycle myself I'm eiather gonna be stacking with stano-drol like you or p-stanz.

 

[Tansui]

awesome glad to have you along

 

[Tansui]

Well yesterday was my 1st day tracking my calories in along time looks like I'm going to have to get my appetite up, as I only managed to get down 2600 calories. The good news is my matinence is lower than it used to be... i was probably 300-500 over yesterday so I'm thinking 3000 calories is a good starting goal.

 

[ConcreteConny]

Count me in bruther, if you got any more questions feel free to ask me :thumbsup:

Good luck!

 

[Tansui]

@liftsalot welcome brotha, when do you start your cycle?
@Conny thanks for coming along, and thanks for the insights too!


Cycle
yesterday was preload day 16...

Looks like the my stano shipped yesterday and DAA is due to arrive the 29th so we are locked an loaded! There should be nomore delays (knock on wood) and I'll begin dosing on monday

Diet
I did a little better yesterday on total cals but i went out to lunch and carbs went down while fats went up... im not to upset about it seeing as it was just olive oil and a little pork.

 

[liftsalot]

@liftsalot welcome brotha, when do you start your cycle?
@Conny thanks for coming along, and thanks for the insights too!


Cycle
yesterday was preload day 16...

Looks like the my stano shipped yesterday and DAA is due to arrive the 29th so we are locked an loaded! There should be nomore delays (knock on wood) and I'll begin dosing on monday

Diet
I did a little better yesterday on total cals but i went out to lunch and carbs went down while fats went up... im not to upset about it seeing as it was just olive oil and a little pork.

I got awhile to plan man I just ended my pct for protomax had a good cycle 0 side effects gained about a solid 9 pounds and nice strength increase. I'm looking in about a few months hopefully. It was weird I didn't really experience any shut down or suppression at all from that cycle wonder if that's normal ha ha. Ya I've been going back and forth with phera or m-drol I'm not sure which one I have a busy day every day with kids work ext so it makes my support supps hard to remember lol.

 

[Tansui]

I got awhile to plan man I just ended my pct for protomax had a good cycle 0 side effects gained about a solid 9 pounds and nice strength increase. I'm looking in about a few months hopefully. It was weird I didn't really experience any shut down or suppression at all from that cycle wonder if that's normal ha ha. Ya I've been going back and forth with phera or m-drol I'm not sure which one I have a busy day every day with kids work ext so it makes my support supps hard to remember lol.

Very nice man I went back and forth a few times between phera and sd before settling on phera. The reason i chose phera was basically my current stash. Ive got 1 maybe 2 runs of phera but enough SD to last for ever I got spooked back in 2010 and stocked up pretty good knowing one day i would want to try it. I still kick myself for not getting any of PP's tren tabs they cleared them @ crackhead prices around 10 or 20 bucks for a pack of 50-100 tabs, don't remember the exact numbers but it was an awesome deal.

 

[liftsalot]

Very nice man I went back and forth a few times between phera and sd before settling on phera. The reason i chose phera was basically my current stash. Ive got 1 maybe 2 runs of phera but enough SD to last for ever I got spooked back in 2010 and stocked up pretty good knowing one day i would want to try it. I still kick myself for not getting any of PP's tren tabs they cleared them @ crackhead prices around 10 or 20 bucks for a pack of 50-100 tabs, don't remember the exact numbers but it was an awesome deal.

Ya I hear ya man what superdrol do u have is the the original one? Ya I freaked out to and have 6 m-drol and 12 LGI SD-10 and about 15 m-stane ha ha. If you have the original superdrol let me know I would buy one off you if your willing to part with one lol. Ya I kick myself to back in 09 I remember seeing X-tren and p-plex for like 15 a bottle right before the ban. I have one bottle left of p-plex so ya I think that's why I'm gonna run it next to it expires 10/2012.

 

[Tansui]

@liftsalot I just went back and took inventory looks like i have more phera than i thought CEL M-drol x3, P-plex x3, and H-drol x2. got a good amount of fura and some epi left too

 

[Tansui]

this guy is 6'2" 182lbs and 5% BF in these photos! I need to bring up chest arms and shoulders that will be my focus area...

 

[Tansui]

I'm going to pull the trigger. Stano and DAA both came in yesterday, instead of having day 18 of preload I've decided to start my cycle.

i'll start off with pp@20mg and Stano@200mg for the 1st couple of days bottoms up.

Here's a day 1 pic no pump

 

[liftsalot]

I'm going to pull the trigger. Stano and DAA both came in yesterday, instead of having day 18 of preload I've decided to start my cycle.

i'll start off with pp@20mg and Stano@200mg for the 1st couple of days bottoms up.

Here's a day 1 pic no pump
<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54833"/>

Goodluck Bro keep us updated man, I'm getting really really impatient to start my pp cycle I hate waiting lol I just got my stano-200 and my p-stanz today so i want to see how yours goes and decide what to throw into the mix lol

 

[Tansui]

Rgr that. 1st day I didn't notice anything... Epi gave a great 'on' from day 1... Well see how tomorrow goes

 

[Tansui]

Day 4

Cycle
Yesterday I uped the Stano to 400mg PP is still @ 20mg

Sides
None

Libdo
Slightly up

Workouts
Strength is up, no effects on motivation or drive. Had a big workout yesterday and i feel like i should be sore but im not maybe it hasnt hit me yet though.

Gains
Over the last 5 days of preload I dropped about 2.5 lbs down to 162.5lbs, I'm back up 3 pounds in the 1st 4 days of the cycle. Muscle hardness is the biggest improvement

Diet
Ive managed over 3k calories everyday and appetite is defiantly increasing.

 

[liftsalot]

I forgot to ask Bro what's your routine look like? I'm currently doing a 3 day a week split but was thinking about changing it up when I start my cycle. I think I might run one more mild cycle first like h-drol and 11-oxo or stanodrol-200. Just finished my pct yesterday from protomax and made a 100% recovery so now I'm impatient lol.

 

[Tansui]

@liftsalot

Day 1
Chest Compound Set: 5x5
1. 20-degree incline dumbbell press (heavy fast with good form)
2. 20-degree incline dumbbell flyes (light slow with focus on negs)

Shoulder Compound Set: 5x5
1. dumbbell clean and press (heavy fast with good form)
2. Standing dumbbell laterals (light slow with focus on negs)

Day 2
Quad Compound Set: 5x5
1. Front squats (heavy fast with good form)
2. Sissy squats (light slow with focus on negs)

Hamstrings Compound Set: 5x5
1. Romanian deadlifts (heavy fast with good form)
2. Lying leg curls (light slow with focus on negs)

Calves Compound Set: 5x5
1. Seated calf raises (heavy fast with good form)
2. Standing machine calf raises (light slow with focus on negs)

Day 3
Back Compound Set: 5x5
1. Pull-ups (fast with good form)
2. Stiff-arm pulldowns (light slow with focus on negs)

Triceps Compound Set: 5x5
1. Dips (fast with good form)
2. Lying triceps extensions (light slow with focus on negs)

Biceps Compound Set: 5x5
1. Body drag curls (heavy fast with good form)
2. Lying dumbbell curls (light slow with focus on negs)

Day 4

3mile jog, 1/4 mile run

Ab Compound Set: 5x5
1. Hanging leg raises (fast with good form)
2. Planks (slow with focus on negs)

Day 5
off


Today i did legs

 

[cr8tine]

Subbed bro.. Are you using a excel sheet to breakdown your meals or using a program?

 

[Tansui]

@cr8tine i log my food @ www.fatsecret.com/ you have to create an account then go to the diet calender. They have a pretty big food database

 

[ConcreteConny]

Liking the set-up of this log. Hopefully Phera will treat you great.
Made me feel like a god

 

[Tansui]

@conny thanks man i hope it helps get me closer to your level

I took yesterday off cause I had just done legs the day before and I was still shoulder and chest sore...

Tonight ill hit back, tri's, and bi's

Other than that no changes from last update

 

[Tansui]

Day 5

Workout was crazy pretty insane pumps, strength is up considerably. Normally by my last set I'm dragging and struggling a bit. Tonight I got all my reps and added weight.

 

[Tansui]

Also had heartburn all day not sure why...

 

[ConcreteConny]

Day 5

Workout was crazy pretty insane pumps, strength is up considerably. Normally by my last set I'm dragging and struggling a bit. Tonight I got all my reps and added weight.

Sounds like something is happening inside you Glad to hear the stuff is working

 

[Tansui]

@conny yeah I did back bi's and tri's and still felt awesome so did shoulers too lol

 

[Tansui]

Day 8

My appetite has gotten progressively stronger. Yesterday I got 4200 calories down, I had been having trouble getting my needed carbs so I put in some white rice and some white potatoes. I'm adding in Cinnamon Bark supplement to even out blood sugar levels and to help with appetite. I'm doubling up on my HB because I'm leaving the yokes in my eggs for the calories. I may add some Alpha Lipoic Acid for additional blood sugar support. This week I'll be mixing in some Co-q10 for organ support.

I woke up this morning thinking I might bump PP to 30mgs as I am scheduled to bump the Stano up to 600 today. After this mornings dosing I have a distinct on feeling (feel light on my feet slight tingle in my face) for the 1st time this cycle so I think I'm going to leave the PP @ 20mg as I planed at least for now...

Week 1 in the bag and no negative sides to report, skin is a bit more oily than normal...

Results

Vascularity is starting to pop in biceps, when I sat up in bed this morning I spotted a vein running down the middle of my bicep. I hadn't seen that one in a while much less with no pump. Also wife says I 'feel heavier' I'm only up a couple of pounds so I attribute this to muscle hardness I've also shed a little fat.

Off to the gym

 

[fueledpassion]

up up up the dose on P-Plex! 40-50mg is a good spot for your weight.

 

[Tansui]

Did chest and biceps this morning and my legs feel good i might go back and do legs tonight... recovery is starting to improve I'm thinking, or maybe its in my head... Drive is up though! I didn't run at all this week so I'll probably just go running tonight... do some lines on a basketball court and a mile jog. It feels like back and shoulders will be ready to go tomorrow, triceps are ready to go now. So I'll run tonight, back shoulders and tris tomorrow then hit legs hard on Sunday take Monday off.

I'm feeling good though! lol

 

[Tansui]

@fueled I'm tempted to up it to 30 but I'm going to run Stano @ 600 for the 1st time today I may up the PP later this week Tuesday will be the day after my off day so maybe on Tuesday, that would only be 3 days early.

 

[Tansui]

Day 9

Cycle
Yesterday I upped the PP to 30mg along with taking the Stano to 600mg its 1 week early on the PP but with no real sides, I feel good making that call.

Sides
skin is a little oily, calve pumps but not worth talking about.

Libdo
a little lower but maybe the higher dose Stano will give a bit of a bump here (gonna grab some Saw Palmetto)

Workouts
Strength, motivation, and drive are all up. weight and reps going up

Gains
168.5 lbs (+6 lbs), no bloat

Diet
I relaxed the diet just a bit to get in more carbs, white rice and potatoes are now on the menu and yesterday i had a 'fish burger' from a hole in the wall that had tarter sauce on it. I'm trying very hard to balance carbs and for energy needs. I don't want to store any and I don't want to burn protein so its a bit of a tight rope. I believe carb monitoring is the main reason i have no bloat yet... (just as i say that im going to inflate like a water balloon im sure.)

 

[Tansui]

Day 11

Cycle
30mg of PP and 600mg of Stano feels real good

Sides
skin still more oily than normal, calf pumps are gone.

Libdo
Feels like normal

Workouts
PR's on Leg press

Gains
169.5 lbs (+7 lbs), no bloat waist and wrists are a little smaller

Diet
even at 3800 to 4200 cals, I feel like I could eat more at this point but I'm making gains and I don't want to chance bloat. Im still tweaking but diet feels comfortable.

Day1

Day 11

 

[ConcreteConny]

^Hey - aren't you in a movie? :thinking:

 

[Tansui]

Day 19

Seems I picked up a little cold from my kid (never fails). I've about got it licked now but for about 5 or 6 days it was kicking my ass. Over the 5-6 days that I was affected I only made it out to the gym twice. I've had two solid workouts since then though.

Cycle
40mg of PP and 600mg of Stano. I raised the PP on day 16

Sides
BP 130 over 91 normal for me is around 126 over 75
skin still more oily than normal, small acne bumps on arms and legs (only 3 or 4 bumps total)
yesterday I noticed some nip sensitivity (no puffiness, pain or bumps) so i popped 10mg of nolvadex and all is right in the world.

Libido
A little low but everything's working

Workouts
Aside form the days I was down, aggression and drive are up considerably

Gains
I dropped a little weight when I got sick but, I'm now sitting at 171 lbs (+8.5) and bf is lower than before abs are a little clearer etc.

Diet
Getting back on track here, I haven't wanted to eat much and for the better part of a week, and was falling 1000-1500 calories short on some days.

Day 19

 

[ConcreteConny]

Still +8.5, due to sickness. That is good.
Plenty of time to get that weight and muscle mass back up for the rest of the run

 

[Tansui]

Day 30
11 days since my last update and it was a little up and down for a moment there. Gains have been steady but I have been managing sides.

Cycle
50mg of PP (raised to dose on day 22) and 600mg of Stano. Only 6 more days of PP then I drop it and go with 800mg of Stano.

Sides
BP was the biggest side I had to deal with around days 24-27 I had gotten up to 148 over 92 and was getting some killer headaches. Essentially I had to cut out all sodium in addition to doubling up on HB and Co-q10. Also I'm staving off nip pain with 10mg of Nolvadex every 3rd day.

Libido
Libido is at an all time low, no performance issues... just not very interested.

Workouts
I have killed every PR My aggression is down as of late as I dropped my pre-workout stims at the same time I cut out the sodium to stay mindful of BP. But I'm killing it in the gym!

Gains
175.5 lbs (+12.5)

Diet
My target is 4400 calories per day (800 over) most days I'm within 10%. I feel like I may have left up to 2 pounds on the table by not hitting meal plan everyday :/

Day 30

 

[Tansui]

Just a quick update, over all I'm feeling much bigger than before I started cycle. I'm getting a lot of the "are you gaining weight" comments from co workers. And I can see people watching me workout out of the corners of their eyes. Strength is up much more than size. Only 2 more days of pp but I feel great! I'm going to hit it as hard as I can these last 16.5 days hopefully I can still make 180lbs @ 8-9% right now I'm about 176 @ 9.4% when I started cycle I was 162.5 @ 10.33%

I have loved this cycle and based on both cycles I have run I love these long cycles!

Feels like ill finish up 15lbs short of my final goal... So ill go straight into recovery and 17-20 weeks from now ill start my h-drol/fura stack and kick it with 3 weeks of mdrol that should put me at 190-200 at that point I just need to maintain...

 

[ConcreteConny]

Sounds like a successful cycle to me Keep at it broseph :thumbsup:

 

[Tansui]

Day 35
Gains have just about stopped I think last nights workout was my final "balls out" workout of this cycle. Last night I did Chest and triceps, my back, biceps, and legs are still sore from workouts earlier this week. I imagine that recovery is going to take longer as the phera clears my system.

Cycle
I'm finished with the Phera, I have to say really like the compound, not as good as Epi for me but very good none the less. Starting today I will be raising the dosage of Stano-200 to 800mg/ed for the next 14 days.

Sides
Last few days I have felt pretty lethargic outside of the gym, I've been a little off on carbs so I attribute the lethargy to killer workouts and less carbs than needed.

Libido
same as before... just not very interested.

Workouts
Strength has been through the roof (for me) I can do 5 sets with my last 2 sets to failure, wait 10 mins and go again... really breaks down the muscle!

these last 2 weeks ill be using higher reps with lower weight and goal during the end of this cycle will be to heal up, harden up, and solidify my gains if I put on a couple more pounds great but I'm happy with my current gains as long as I keep it.

Gains
Starting weight 162.5 current weight 176.5 (+14), arms are +1 inch with no pump.

 

[Tansui]

Today is Day 4 of PCT so far so good! skin is back to normal and a little testicle pain is all i have to report. Strength has not dropped yet so I'm doing full body workouts eod not lifting to failure either. My hope everyday is to wake up with muscle fatigue or a very slight sore soreness. My logic is that I don't want to brake down a significant amount of muscle until my natural test is back up and able to rebuild it.

Here's a couple photos from day 1 of PCT.

 

[ConcreteConny]

Your chest has blown up :yikes:

 

[Tansui]

heh thanks man, I really wanted to bring up chest and shoulders. I feel like I made some good progress. 3 more weeks of PCT, I just need to keep it all.

I miss feeling like I was pumped all the time now I've got to do a set or two to get a pump going... back to reality :/

 

[ConcreteConny]

heh thanks man, I really wanted to bring up chest and shoulders. I feel like I made some good progress. 3 more weeks of PCT, I just need to keep it all.

I miss feeling like I was pumped all the time now I've got to do a set or two to get a pump going... back to reality :/

You certainly put in some good work! Congrats on a successful cycle bruther!
Hit those weights hard in PCT and you'll be in the clear, some water weight might drop so don't be depressed if the scale moves backwards. As long as strength keeps steady or increasing

As for the pump, I know what you mean, pumps on Phera was godlike. I miss those times
But you could try dosing Agmatine at 1g pre workout, that should bring the pumps pretty close to on cycle feeling :thumbsup:

 

[Tansui]

Day 14 of PCT

So I'm 1/2 way done with PCT and all is well strength has actually gone up a bit. Appetite is down considerably I'm drinking about 4 scoops of protein (100g-120g) in addition to my food protein because I don't want to take steps backwards... Libido is through the roof! Shoulder joints are a little problematic but that's normal for me.

@Conny thank for the congrats man I'm just trying to get on your level! I think you were right about the watter weight too :/ I've been sitting at 172.5 lbs (+10 lbs) for the last 4 days or so. I think I look a little better than when I ended the cycle, and I'm stronger for sure... I just hate seeing the numbers on the scale drop.

 

[MrMarc]

Never worry about the number on the scale, always worry about strength as long as strength stay the same or have increased during PCT then that's all the matter.

The way I see it is would rather be built like a tank? or be able to move like a cobra with the strength like a tank? lol