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  1. NonyaBid- How much has your weight increased? Have you noticed any chest/ bicep/ quad etc... size increase?


  2. im on the 7th day of my hard rock pro mag, nothing really noticeable as in strength or weight gain, but i experienced my first back pump today at the end of my back workout. also just ordered some antaues labs aegis liver support that has TUDCA, want to keep my liver as healthy as i can and hear its one of the best. Liver longer is sold out everywhere
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  3. I've noticed a little arm size increase (about a half inch) along with a general improvement in conditioning. My body fat was already pretty low so the difference is slight. I'll weigh in again on Thursday morning, but so far I'm up 3lbs. On Wednesday I up the dose to 100mg until the very end.

    It's funny to be in this position. I was FREAKING out about side effects and behavioral changes when researching for this cycle, mainly because I had intense effects with PWO effects (not in a good way). Lots of jitters and aggression. Pmag has actually been relaxing.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    I've noticed a little arm size increase (about a half inch) along with a general improvement in conditioning. My body fat was already pretty low so the difference is slight. I'll weigh in again on Thursday morning, but so far I'm up 3lbs. On Wednesday I up the dose to 100mg until the very end.

    It's funny to be in this position. I was FREAKING out about side effects and behavioral changes when researching for this cycle, mainly because I had intense effects with PWO effects (not in a good way). Lots of jitters and aggression. Pmag has actually been relaxing.
    I know what you mean, with PMAG I thought I was going to lose all my hair, grow a pair of tits, and try and fight everybody I know lol just shows a nervous first-timer

  5. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    I've noticed a little arm size increase (about a half inch) along with a general improvement in conditioning. My body fat was already pretty low so the difference is slight. I'll weigh in again on Thursday morning, but so far I'm up 3lbs. On Wednesday I up the dose to 100mg until the very end.

    It's funny to be in this position. I was FREAKING out about side effects and behavioral changes when researching for this cycle, mainly because I had intense effects with PWO effects (not in a good way). Lots of jitters and aggression. Pmag has actually been relaxing.
    The reason I ask is on my first week @ 50 mg. I gained 3 lbs., I weighed myself last night after workout gaining 9 lbs. for a total of 12 lbs. in lil more than two weeks. My waist size hasnt increased & I have been keeping calories under 4,000 & maintaining a good diet (40/40/20), with one cheat meal a week. I even continue with my normal Cardio routine during my workouts. A trainer I talked with said cut out the heavy carbs after 5 pm, eat broccoli. No Potatoes, bread, pasta etc..
    Have a sweet potatoe & banana for preworkout meal. Think I will try that.

    Yeah dude, dont do preworkout. Pop a dose of your PH as a preworkout, that works for me.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by TomGreen View Post
    im on the 7th day of my hard rock pro mag, nothing really noticeable as in strength or weight gain, but i experienced my first back pump today at the end of my back workout. also just ordered some antaues labs aegis liver support that has TUDCA, want to keep my liver as healthy as i can and hear its one of the best. Liver longer is sold out everywhere
    From what I understand, Taurine (2,000) with your preworkout meal shout help out with those back pumps ALOT.
    Aegis is good, Antaeus Labs makes awesome products, taking Mechabol now & kicks azz @ 75 mg.
    Checkout Lockout for Aegis, cant go wrong for that price.

  7. Dieting has always been a challenge for me. Eating enough all the time and all. I literally eat all I can as often as I can and never allow myself to feel hunger. I eat to the point that people make fun of me or get pissed at me for it. Over the past week, my appetite has felt "normal". I always hit that wall where if I eat more, I'll feel like I'm gonna throw up. How do you train your appetite to do 4-5k in a day if you're not deep frying everything in chocolate?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    Dieting has always been a challenge for me. Eating enough all the time and all. I literally eat all I can as often as I can and never allow myself to feel hunger. I eat to the point that people make fun of me or get pissed at me for it. Over the past week, my appetite has felt "normal". I always hit that wall where if I eat more, I'll feel like I'm gonna throw up. How do you train your appetite to do 4-5k in a day if you're not deep frying everything in chocolate?
    Its not easy, I used to eat 2,300 calories a day when I was just cared about losing fat & not maintaining my muscle.
    That was a mistake.
    You can increase your calories by slowly incorporating more calories each week.
    Add 300 calories a day into your diet, 300 x 7= 2,100 calories in a week.
    Add 300 more calories the following week and so on.
    Some Small additional items into your sandwiches, salads or turkey burgers add up.
    Add avacado, chopped boiled eggs, bell peppers, coconut oil, etc.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by johnny75 View Post
    From what I understand, Taurine (2,000) with your preworkout meal shout help out with those back pumps ALOT.
    Aegis is good, Antaeus Labs makes awesome products, taking Mechabol now & kicks azz @ 75 mg.
    Checkout Lockout for Aegis, cant go wrong for that price.
    yep thats where i got it. comes in thursday. i have another thread goin right now about it but im porly gonna have to quit the promag and save it for later, been having come and go shots of pain under my ribcage in the upper right side. hopn this aegis is good product and can get my liver nice and healthy haha

  10. Day 26: Off
    Day 27: Off

    Day 28: Off, switched up to 100mg a day, no problems

    Day 29: Arms and quads
    As was the case last week, the weights felt lighter. I forgot to weigh myself this morning so I'll try to find a scale at some point today. I haven't noticed any sides other than slightly oily skin and two pimples. As much as I am enjoying this progress, part of me is ready for the end of the cycle and pct to get here already.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    Day 26: Off
    Day 27: Off

    Day 28: Off, switched up to 100mg a day, no problems

    Day 29: Arms and quads
    As was the case last week, the weights felt lighter. I forgot to weigh myself this morning so I'll try to find a scale at some point today. I haven't noticed any sides other than slightly oily skin and two pimples. As much as I am enjoying this progress, part of me is ready for the end of the cycle and pct to get here already.
    Nonya, dude you sound like your not enjoying this cycle? I am not even looking forward to the PCT...the taste of tamox is BLAH!!
    I heard drinking OJ with it helps a little bit.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by johnny75

    Nonya, dude you sound like your not enjoying this cycle? I am not even looking forward to the PCT...the taste of tamox is BLAH!!
    I heard drinking OJ with it helps a little bit.
    I was just going to say the same...

    Why do yu want it to come to an end??
    Andro Factory Supporter

  13. Quote Originally Posted by djmikeyspikes View Post
    I was just going to say the same...

    Why do yu want it to come to an end??
    It's not that I'm not enjoying it, I just have never been that great at keeping up with dosages etc. The first time I used a test booster, I was almost relieved when I was finished. I liked the stuff, but I get that feeling of "omg, I just took a handful of pills 4 hours ago" a lot. It's nothing that would stop me from finishing the cycle or doing another one.

  14. Day 30: Back and Shoulders

    I did 3 sets of weighted chinups with 90 and got 2 sets of seated overhead db presses with 90s as well before switching down in weight for the last couple of sets of each exercise. Those were PRs in the sense of volume more so than poundage. I also weighed myself and I'm up 4.5/5lbs from the beginning of the cycle. I'm more or less happy with the progress but who doesn't want more mass at any given time? 5lbs is a year's worth of progress at my stage in the game. I got it in 4 weeks. Kick ass. I also just bumped my dosage up yesterday so hopefully I will get a bit more kick out of it in the weeks to come. For my next cycle, I will definitely be rocking some homemade weight gainer from the beginning though.

    Overall, I am noticing a significant qualitative improvement in my physique. My arms have improved in shape and curvature. I have weighed as much as 190 in the past, but I was carrying a bit of water weight. Seeing the same level of mass with a dryer quality has been awesome. I'm getting what I wanted out of this cycle, a bit more mass and a chance to learn the ropes of bike riding. My main priorities for this cycle and anything still to come are:
    1. Improve disproportional areas (arms and calfs)
    2. Improve understimulated/trained areas (legs, lower lats)
    3. Reach and maintain 200lbs at a single digit bodyfat level (off of ds).

    These are goals I think I can reach in the next few years, and I would use ds to speed up the process. From what I understand about maintaining mass off cycle, once you go beyond your natural limit, you will need the additional test in your system to maintain mass above that threshold. Mass below that threshold can be maintained through generally effective diet and training.

  15. Day 31: chest and hams

    The weights keep feeling lighter and lighter. I got all my db presses in with the 100s. Definitely a PR. I also went heavier with SLDL and maxed out the leg curl machine on my last set.

    The 100s are the heaviest db in my gym do for the moment, they are the basis of my routine (with smith work as a supplement). Additional strength gains will result in my making the smith machine press the basis of the routine with db work to supplement. I will be changing gyms at some point in the foreseeable future so I will hopefully be able to have access to a real facility (the kind with barbells and a power cage).

  16. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    Day 31: chest and hams

    The weights keep feeling lighter and lighter. I got all my db presses in with the 100s. Definitely a PR. I also went heavier with SLDL and maxed out the leg curl machine on my last set.
    Did you increase your calories? What type of workout sets are you doing this week?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by johnny75 View Post
    Did you increase your calories? What type of workout sets are you doing this week?
    Im doing the same workout as the beginning of the cycle, but with more weight.

    Today I did:

    4x8-12 Incline DB press: 100lbs
    4x8-10 weighted dips: 90lbs
    4x6-8 decline db press: 100
    4x12 incline flyes

    3x12 Seated hamstring curl: 130, 135, 150
    3x12 weighted ghr: 25
    3x10-12 SLDL: 255

    My calories are, as they've always been, as much as I can get down without feeling nauseous. What I've been trying to do is use more calorie dense foods rather than being a protein-nazi and focussing on protein rich foods. I've had good results do far with peanut butter and lactose-free yogurt. Beef jerky has been good as well, but pricey. I'm more or less trying to find my go to foods for in between my four square daily meals.

    Tuna, yogurt, peanut butter, and jerky have been good so far. Are there any other calorie dense, lactose free, protein rich foods I should look toward? I do pretty well with my actual meals with calories and protein, it's the 4-500 calories I could add in snacks that get tough. It's aatter of mastering the trade off between calories and food volume.

  18. Is pmag considered a carb hungry compound? I've been emphasizing protein and calories as I do when off cycle and have been eating more volume in general, but if I will also get more bang for my buck with carbs, it's something to look at for the rest of the cycle.

    On a side note, I'm starting to feel more aggression. My normally annoying wife is now extra-annoying. I'm not entirely sure if it's the pmag or not, but I'm double sure to watch my attitude around her because sometimes, she really grinds my gears (as do all wives, lol). My wife likes to play violently and when she doesn't get what she wants (the phone I post on), she likes to scratch and hit me and I regularly get cut in the process (lots of cuts, welts, scabs, and scars on me from her nails). I absolutely hate when she does that, but she has a listening problem (hehe) so I keep trying to deal with it. Tonight, she scratched me and gave me a purple nurple (which would infuriate anybody on cycle), and i just had to leave the room. I was ready to scream, and i rarely get like that. I can't stand being hit, pinched, or scratched but my wife does not care. It's a low-level ongoing problem because she thinks it's funny. It's on me for tolerating it for so long though. I feel likenim married to a preschooler half the time (lol). I love her tremendously, but this is one of three things she does that I hate. All and all, I can't complain.

    Thats actually been the only straight up challenge to this cycle. I've been sneaking this whole cycle. My wife doesn't know I'm using. I don't care to tell her because she doesn't really understand anything scientific so it really becomes too challenging. When I've broached the subject with her in the past, she's always been afraid ill have "roid rage" because she knows she can be very "irritating", her words not mine. After this cycle, I can say that shouldn't be a concern.

  19. Day 32: arms

    Today was pretty good. I ordinarily do arms and abs but I had some digestive issues and had to cut my workout a little short. I may go back later today or train my abs at home, it's not too big a deal though. Arms are the priority for me. On my second arm day, my goal is to get a crazy pump and I definitely succeeded. Lots of super sets of the same muscle, high rep ranges, 21s, burnouts, fst7, etc. My first arm day is very conservative and traditional with straight sets and moderately heavy weights.

  20. In planning my next steps, I've been thinking about utilizing GVT in PCT to preserve size. Has anyone ever done anything like that. I will likely be able to use the same weights for fewer reps if I stuck to my current program, but I'm unsure about how that will leave me size wise. I may just leave GVT for after pct though, maybe even for next cycle (could be great for bulking).

  21. great write up so far just wondering what you were going to use for your pct u never really said

  22. Nolva and daa. I could add some erase but I'm not really convinced I need it for this cycle.

  23. k thanks im having a hell of a tme finding some nolva

  24. Quote Originally Posted by tz69 View Post
    k thanks im having a hell of a tme finding some nolva
    Look up

  25. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    Im doing the same workout as the beginning of the cycle, but with more weight.

    Today I did:

    4x8-12 Incline DB press: 100lbs
    4x8-10 weighted dips: 90lbs
    4x6-8 decline db press: 100
    4x12 incline flyes

    3x12 Seated hamstring curl: 130, 135, 150
    3x12 weighted ghr: 25
    3x10-12 SLDL: 255

    My calories are, as they've always been, as much as I can get down without feeling nauseous. What I've been trying to do is use more calorie dense foods rather than being a protein-nazi and focussing on protein rich foods. I've had good results do far with peanut butter and lactose-free yogurt. Beef jerky has been good as well, but pricey. I'm more or less trying to find my go to foods for in between my four square daily meals.

    Tuna, yogurt, peanut butter, and jerky have been good so far. Are there any other calorie dense, lactose free, protein rich foods I should look toward? I do pretty well with my actual meals with calories and protein, it's the 4-500 calories I could add in snacks that get tough. It's aatter of mastering the trade off between calories and food volume.
    I was just curious about your workout sets & wanted to see if I should vary more.
    My sets are one week 4 x 10-15, another week 4 x 8, & another week 5 x 5, then start over again.
    Its on a four day split, with an additional day for cardio.
    Mon-Chest/Triceps
    Tues - Cardio
    Wed- Back/Biceps
    Thurs- Rest
    Fri- Legs
    Sat. - Shoulders/Biceps
    Sunday - Rest

    I kicked it up to 100mg, & the first day i was fine but the 2nd day I needed more food & water or I would get a headache.
    I had to increase my carb intake up early in the day & by the evening I was fine. Same for the following day.
    Did you experience anything like that on your cycle?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    Nolva and daa. I could add some erase but I'm not really convinced I need it for this cycle.
    I think you should add something to help your keep your gains other than DAA, but its just my opinion.
    Erase, Anabeta, Recycle, etc... arent too steep of a price to incorporate into your PCT to help you keep your gains.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by johnny75 View Post
    I was just curious about your workout sets & wanted to see if I should vary more.
    My sets are one week 4 x 10-15, another week 4 x 8, & another week 5 x 5, then start over again.
    Its on a four day split, with an additional day for cardio.
    Mon-Chest/Triceps
    Tues - Cardio
    Wed- Back/Biceps
    Thurs- Rest
    Fri- Legs
    Sat. - Shoulders/Biceps
    Sunday - Rest

    I kicked it up to 100mg, & the first day i was fine but the 2nd day I needed more food & water or I would get a headache.
    I had to increase my carb intake up early in the day & by the evening I was fine. Same for the following day.
    Did you experience anything like that on your cycle?
    Sort of. Mine hit early on when I was still at 50mg a day. I'm thinking pmag messes with your blood sugar levels a bit and the key to dieting on it is to take advantage of it. Eating a lot is obviously advisable, but there's something to be said for taking advantage of the blood sugar changes as well.

  28. I'm going to run out of cycle assist tomorrow. I'm not really nervous about it and I have my HB that I will be resuming to manage BP. As much as I was sick of pills, its kind of weird to reach the bottom of the bottle and deal with the reality that all good things come to an end. Being on steroids is fun.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    I'm going to run out of cycle assist tomorrow. I'm not really nervous about it and I have my HB that I will be resuming to manage BP. As much as I was sick of pills, its kind of weird to reach the bottom of the bottle and deal with the reality that all good things come to an end. Being on steroids is fun.
    Lol yea I hear you, I got a week and a half left ad I'm already getting sad. Up 10 pounds so far so good

  30. I have enough pills left for another week on cycle, so I will be beginning my daa right now. The end is upon us. 3g per day. I'm starting to feel like a major pill popper with all the pills I'm downing. C'est cette vie.

    I also just realized that I have two days worth of cycle assist saved out in my pill box that I keep with me on the weekends so I have a little longer.
  

  
 

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