Skark's 1st Cycle - M1T & M4OHN Stack
08-28-2004 04:15 PM
Thanks for the update. If you don't mind posting numbers, I would really like to see what kind of strength gains you end up with over the course of 5 weeks on the main lifts you focus on. You obviously respond quite well to M4ohn and I would like to get an idea of what is possible hypocalorically. I know a bit about max-ot, noting especially that the low reps(4-6) should provide for a good baseline strength program for a cycle like this one.
08-29-2004 08:13 PM
Thanks for the inquiry Cardinal
Originally Posted by Cardinal
Since I keep all my statistics at hand, this is an easy request to fill:
Average strength gain per month in 2003 = 3.8%
I used HIT (Dorian Yates style exclusively) in 2003 except for 2 HST cycles
Average strength gain per month in 2004 = 6.9%
This year I am alternating HIT (again the Dorian Yates style), Max-OT, and Killzone (An advanced version of HST that I developed to overcome a couple of shortcomings in the original). I attribute the increased strength gains this year not only to mixing in different styles of workouts, but paying closer attention to nutrition for muscle building, for example this is the first year I've added post-workout shakes and supplement regularly with BCAAs and Glutamine peptides.
Previous Max-OT average strength gain per month = 6.1%
This actually surprised me since it feels like I always do so poorly on it(kills my joints and desire to workout), it is quite effective though to workout in the 4-6 rep range.
Now the number you are looking for:
August 2004 Max-OT strength gain = 11.6%
Easily the biggest gain ever. Previosly, the biggest number was 9.1% which occured early in 2003 when I went on a Creatine/HMB stack (but I was much weaker at the time so this 11.6% number now is a HUGE improvement).
And the most amazing part is that I could easily have posted GREATER GAINS if I had not kept my load increase limits in place, that is increasing the load a MAXIMUM of 4% (many times less) every other workout......to protect my tendons since I hear about so many injuries from anabolic cycles from guys who feel they could lift a house and actually try to.
Strength wise, there were times I could have raised the load 5% for 3 or 4 workouts in a row......it felt THAT good.
Just finished my last double split. After a month of grueling workouts, on this final day I met the criteria to increase the load on 5 of 8 eligible exercises (3 more I just increased the load on in this workout, so they weren't eligible).
Just incredible results.
08-30-2004 08:45 PM
Thanks for the response. Damn, those are rather incredible results! Percentage wise, you aren't too far from doubling your max-ot average. Very cool. Keeping tendon/joint health in mind is always important. Nothing stifles progress quite like an injury. From what I have read on anabolic cycles, a lot of guys get injured post cycle trying to maintain all the strength. That is a biggie I am going to watch out for.
08-31-2004 10:21 AM
Running with the Big Boys
Where did you get the Meso Labs M1T at? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
09-06-2004 10:21 AM
The Meso Labs M1T was the first product on the market. Its not being sold anymore because it was found to contain Dbol as an impurity.....makes for an awesome combo. Every now and then you will see a stray bottle or two on the swap meet here.....buy it at any price
Originally Posted by tattoopierced1
I'm lucky to have 8 bottles of the stuff.
Weighed in at 229.5 on Saturday, bloated a little by the creatine. Also started PCT that day. The only side effect I developed was some acne on the last week. Still getting weight loss compliments.....even though I am up 6 lbs.
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