pro hormones and steroids
- 04-20-2011, 12:35 PM
pro hormones and steroids
I am sure you guys get this a lot buy my work out parter and i have taken pro hormones in the past! He seems to think that you dont really have to take a pct he will take it for like a week or two after the cycle is done then will quit and a couple weeks later jump right back into another ph he has taken like 5 different ph in the past 7 months he recently took his last ph and did a pct for two weeks then went right in to a cycle of test! he finished the test a week ago has not started a pct and just ordered a six week supply of deca and another order of test! And no this is not about me it really is about my friend he wont listen to me so i am trying to get more info so i can let him know what to do! or atleast try and give him some info any info yall give will be helpful!
- 04-20-2011, 01:23 PM
04-20-2011, 01:51 PM
what help are you looking for? He wont' listen to you, he's not going to listen to "stuff you read on a forum" either.
04-20-2011, 03:39 PM
idk? im just trying to help him out figured maybe if he saw what yall had to say maybe it would help per sway him a bit!
04-20-2011, 04:10 PM
04-20-2011, 04:53 PM
04-20-2011, 05:45 PM
04-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Basic rule to follow is time on plus pct = time off minimum!
Ontop of the above info of fertility and ending up on trt he will most likely mess his liver up too!
04-21-2011, 06:28 PM
04-21-2011, 11:45 PM
04-22-2011, 12:03 AM
04-22-2011, 12:33 AM
Try this, see if you'll recover
Tren e 52 wks @600
Then throw as many orals as u can on that .. I'm willing to bet there's permanent hpta damage
04-22-2011, 01:00 AM
You can read it there, even without PCT their HPTA made full recoveries in all but I think 2 patients. I know the cycle you posted was a joke, but even you did it your HPTA would be able to restore itself after all the nasty tren metabolites were out of your blood. Life-long HRT is a myth, it just doesn't happen outside of freak circumstance.
04-22-2011, 02:40 AM
this is gonna get good
Halovar Epol cycle log" PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY"
04-22-2011, 03:32 AM
I know the body will still recover when it comes to testosterone- however infertility due to AAS is not a myth- just incredibly rare
04-22-2011, 07:26 AM
04-22-2011, 08:42 AM
1 minute google yeilds this:
From a TRT website:
.......... testosterone is given from outside, the testes will stop producing their own testosterone. This will shut down sperm production either significantly or completely in nearly all men. This may be a temporary or permanent effect. Younger men, who still plan to have a family, must take this into account when considering testosterone replacement therapy. Some men have "banked" their sperm . Other men have delayed testosterone replacement until they have finished having children. It is important that any man considering a family be very careful in starting testosterone treatment of any kind.
From a steroid website:
Sterility caused by steroids is temporary, of course, and generally reversible....
I dont care for the terms casually thrown around, may be temporary or permanent and generally reversible, they dont inspire confidence in me to not plan on pct after long cycles at high doses.
04-22-2011, 11:15 AM
04-22-2011, 12:32 PM
So 20 weeks out from the end of hormonal dosing or 5 months T levels appeared to be roughly 10% lower than baseline.
in the efficacy study, there is no mention of hormone levels anywhere, so you have some strong reading comprehension yourself. The only thing that returned was their sperm count, which does not in any way mean that their T level was normal.
04-22-2011, 02:21 PM
04-22-2011, 02:32 PM
Hmm interesting that in that table after the recovery period LH + FSH were far higher than baseline, but total T was the same. Didn't notice the table on my first read thru. Also sort of interesting was that the gains in mass they made during the study were all gone by the end of the recovery period
04-22-2011, 02:38 PM
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