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    Epi-Strong to get chiseled (Sponsored)


    What up everyone, just decided to get this log up and running before I start my run of Epi-Strong, courtesy of mrsupps. Major love to the **** and MrSupps crew for hooking me up with this chance - it is much appreciated.

    I am out of state with my family right now as my mother just had surgery (which was successful!) and I was here for support and now to help her as she recovers. I will be back to my home in Kentucky at the start of the week and expect to find a nice little package of Epi-Strong waiting for me at work when I return.

    Basically, I figured this would be ample time to start doing some leg work on getting everything set up as needed to get this thing running smooth. This will be my first hormonal run, so I'm excited for it. I have been doing research on this stuff for several years (in depth for the past year) because I like to understand everything; even if I weren't to use or try it. However, I'm still in no way as well versed as many of the community members here are, nor does all the research in the world make up for actual experience using compounds. So, I am gladly looking for any and all advice on getting this thing done right.

    First of all, let's go over my stats and goals. In May I cut down to 208 and was pretty ripped (though not where I wanted to be, still). At the suggestion of a friend, I decided to bulk for a while as I had been dieting pretty hard for quite a while, albeit the first portion of it was done incorrectly (wish I would have known all those years ago what I do now about the nutritional side of things). So, I ended up with 8 solid weeks of bulking and got myself up to 241 (largest I'd ever been). Made some major gains in chest and shoulders as well as my thighs. This was about an 80/20 clean bulk, but still dirty enough that there was some fat gain (about 1.5" on the waist). I've been slowly reducing cals and re-introducing cardio (as I had cut it out during the bulk to ensure maximum growth). Yesterday I weighed in at 233.6lbs.

    I am 6'1" and have a pretty decent build, but there is a lot of extra fat (that I hold pretty well) that I want gone! You can check out my bodyspace (same user-name) if you want to see measurements, etc.

    I've decided on a 4-day lifting split, with the other 3 days dedicated to cardio. Carb-cycling will be utilized and has been thus far. Lifting days are: Arms, Legs, Chest/Delts, Back/Traps. Abs will be done on cardio days as needed.

    I am a packrat if there ever was one. I'm not home now, so I can't give a complete list of my supplement arsenal, but I'm going to give a bit of a rundown on what I have in my stash for you to weigh in on how you think I should bring some things into play.

    What I'm currently taking:

    OEP / Alpha T2 / Ephedrine (currently 12.5mg HCL - picking up some 25mg sulfate as well)
    Fish Oil
    Multi-Vitamin (currently GNC Greens - probably switching back to Orange Triad once I finish this one-month bottle)
    Anabolic Pump / P-Slin / SlinSane (as needed before carb-meals)
    Power Shock (intra-workout / will be done relatively soon)
    BC+EAA (as needed between meals, morning, night and pre-workout)
    Jack3d (pre - just 1 scoop)
    Trutein (for my during the day usage)
    NutraPro (post-workout)
    ON Casein (pre-bed)

    What is in my stash of goodies that can be used whenever necessary:

    ModernBCAA
    more Jack3d
    ReCreate
    SCRx bulk powder
    creatine monohydrate
    Cell-Mass
    Nitrix
    Beta Alanine
    Taurine
    Pink Magic
    Prime
    TNA
    ton of other fat burners and pre-workouts
    H-Drol
    Stano-Drol
    Cycle-Assist
    Inhibit-E
    Suppress-C
    Erase
    Triazole
    DAA
    HardFX
    Liver Assist
    Milk Thistle

    I'm sure there's a ton of other stuff I'm forgetting, but you get the jist.

    So, if anyone would like to weigh in on what would be beneficial to add in with or after the Epi-Strong, please let me know - I'm all ears.

    I have to bolt now, but I'll add in more information soon and work on setting up a schedule for the pre-cycle, cycle, and post-cycle.

    Gotta love it!
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    Epi-Strong Review (11-30-10):

    Okay, so I ended up with 4 weeks of Epi-Strong (along side CEL's Stano-Drol for the duration at 450mg and then 600mg). As could be expected, it was pretty slow to start off at 30mg, and at 45mg I couldn't really visually notice much, but I did take notice on the day I did about 8 sets of incline bench press after a full delt workout and nearly PR'ed on a ~2,500 cal/day diet compared to the ~4,500 cal/day diet I was looking at when I set the PR this summer.

    Then, at 60mg I really enjoyed it (note that CEL's H-Drol was now in play at 50mg, too). From a scientific standpoint for determining things, I didn't do the best job (though admittedly that was not my top priority here). This was my first hormonal run of any kind and I'd like to call it successful, though it wasn't quite as much as I had expected.

    This is a product that I will definitely run again and likely at a higher dose (60mg right out the gate and maybe even 75mg). Since it was my first run, I was very cautious. I didn't notice any negative sides from this at all (aside from some initial acne, which extra scrubbing with the loofah seemed to take care of).

    Strength is an area where this really shined. I didn't notice much for size (obviously), since I was in caloric deficit, but it does react interestingly. When I was just about maintenance, I was packing on pounds pretty quickly and eating very clean. It seems to really love the carbs and add on weight quickly when they are in play.

    I look forward to running this again in the future at a higher dosage and possibly when attempting to bulk.
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    Saved for Final Review and Final Stats.
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    Subbed.

    Holy sh1t bro you got tons o supps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Subbed.

    Holy sh1t bro you got tons o supps!
    Glad to have you in, bro. And yeah, I wasn't lying when I said I'm a packrat. I collected baseball cards when I was younger and this seems to be what I've traded off for. Can't seem to have enough, though I'm trying to do better about buying a bunch til I use what's there.
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    So the big goal for me on this is to legitimately cut. I'm not fooling around with a recomp. That's great and what I'll likely do in the future, but right now, I'm solely concerned with getting to single digit bf% and looking near-contest ready.

    With that in mind, I'm planning on still eating at a caloric deficit, though I may play around with how much of one depending on how things go.

    As a first time cycle, would those of you who have done this already suggest doing the epi solo and calling that good? Or would bridging over into something else be reasonable/worth-while? Like I said, I have 2 bottles each of H-Drol and Stano-Drol in the stash that haven't been touched. I was really toying with the idea of Katanadrol with Epi - but I'm trying to use what I have before I start stock-piling anymore considering the lack of cupboard space I have.

    I was thinking of front-loading the Cycle Support 1.5-2 weeks in advance before starting the Epi. Still setting up the PCT, as it will also depend on whether I go with just Epi or anything else along with it.
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    I think I should sub
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    Subbed for sure. REALLY interested in how this goes for ya man. Good luck!
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    Epi-strong will be a great first cycle and no need to stack with anything. However, in my opinion I would have 2 bottles and run 5-6 weeks. Epi can take 3 weeks to really kick in good and by week 4 the fun really starts and you won't want it to end.
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    im subd
    im gonna get some epi soon
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    All right, well things are about to start getting serious in here. As the time nears, I will be very dedicated to putting a ton of info in this log.

    Right now I'm just trying to piece everything together as I get ready to place on last order from NP to get all the remaining things I don't already have. This is the idea I have and am toying with:

    Epi-Strong bridged into H-Drol/Stano-Drol (and possibly running Stano-Drol the whole way through). Any thoughts on this?

    Dosing I'm looking at is:

    Epi: 30/45/45/45/45
    H-Drol: 50/75/75/75/75/75
    Stano-Drol: 300/450/450/450/450/450*

    *450 continued throughout if ran the whole time

    That layout doesn't show the off weeks of H-Drol to start, so that would be 0/0/0 or so.

    Just started my cycle assist today. Planning on running it for the remainder of the week and next week, starting my cycle on the following Monday (1.5 weeks pre-loading).

    Planning on running 10g Fish Oil daily with this, throwing in some bulk cissus powder if needed, Orange Triad as my multi. I have extra milk thistle to add in if necessary.

    PCT will be nolva that I'm working on getting a hold at the moment. Also picking up PCT assist to use if needed. Have Inhibit-E, Suppress-C and Liver Assist XT to use as needed too (all pointers would be much appreciated here).

    I also have Erase and am looking for advice on whether to take it during cycle or post for most optimal results.

    I'll keep updating. If anyone sees any huge flaws in this, please let me know. And like I said, as this is my first cycle, I'm looking for all the help on this that I can (I do a lot of research, but I love hearing from those who have done this before). I've got 11 years of lifting experience and about 5 years of natural supplementation. Diet is also very much on point (carb-cycling; going into keto if it's that necessary).

    I'm currently hovering around 235 and looking to absolutely shred on this run. I'd love recomp, added strength, etc. but the bottom line is I want to melt every ounce of body fat off. I'm planning to taper off of OEP/T2/Ephedrine in the next week and then bring it back after this cycle is in the books (along with some clen and/or T3 possibly).

    Thanks for helping me set this thing up, guys!
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    NOW Taurine 1000mg caps are great to have on hand just in case of back pumps.
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    im in this biatch
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    NOW Taurine 1000mg caps are great to have on hand just in case of back pumps.
    Ah, thanks for that, bro. I've got a huge tub of Primaforce taurine in the cupboard - completely forgot to mention I'll be using that as needed too. That's what happens when I try to make really quick posts without thinking everything completely through
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    im in this biatch
    Glad to have you on board, bro. It'll be nothing like your cycle but I'm hoping it'll be pretty solid for my first ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnybonds84 View Post
    SUBBED.
    Glad to have you on board, man! I'll be watching yours closely as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    im subd
    im gonna get some epi soon
    Glad to have you in here, man. I've been following your thread about epi + _____ and learning quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I think I should sub
    Very glad to have you in here, bro. I'm all ears when it comes to anything you have to add
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Ah, thanks for that, bro. I've got a huge tub of Primaforce taurine in the cupboard - completely forgot to mention I'll be using that as needed too. That's what happens when I try to make really quick posts without thinking everything completely through
    5 grams on workout days should take care of any pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Subbed for sure. REALLY interested in how this goes for ya man. Good luck!
    Hoping mine is as good as yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    Epi-strong will be a great first cycle and no need to stack with anything. However, in my opinion I would have 2 bottles and run 5-6 weeks. Epi can take 3 weeks to really kick in good and by week 4 the fun really starts and you won't want it to end.
    Thanks for that info, man. I really appreciate it. From what I've read, I'd totally agree that it's a solid choice on its own. I'm really curious to try out a few things, though, and since I've got the H-Drol/Stano-Drol in the stash already, I'm thinking I'm going to utilize them as well. And if Epi goes as well as everyone talks about, I'll very likely run a solo version of it for much longer.
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    So here's what my current supplement lineup is looking like leading up to the cycle (just gonna show a week day as the times are easier to lay out - everything stays the same but the times on weekends):

    6:30 OEP/T2/12.5mg Ephedrine HCl
    7:00 Meal 1 / Multi / 2g Fish Oil / 4 caps Cycle Assist
    9:30 Meal 2
    10:30 OEP/T2/12.5mg Ephedrine HCl
    12:00 Meal 3
    2:30 OEP/T2/12.5mg Ephedrine HCl
    3:00 Meal 4 (Pre-Workout)
    4:00 1 scoop Jack3d / 1 serving BC+EAA
    4:30 Work Out (1.5-2 scoops Power Shock intra currently - will change back to bulk BCAAs soon 24:6:6 and possibly 2.5g BA)
    6:00 Meal 5 (Post-Workout Whey Shake / maybe carbs)
    7:00 Meal 6 (Post-Workout Whole food meal) / multi / 2g Fish Oil / 4 caps Cycle Assist / Glutamine if needed
    9:30 Meal 7 (Casein Shake)
    10:30 ZMA

    Nutrient partitioners are used preceding heavy carb meals. I switch between high, moderate and low carb days. For the most part, though, this is representative of what I'm doing and will continue to do leading into cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Very glad to have you in here, bro. I'm all ears when it comes to anything you have to add
    Aww such kind words lol. Thanks man glad to hear my opinion is valued. Now go KTS!
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    I've just been pre-loading my Cycle Assist thus far and the cycle will start on not this Monday, but the next. If there is no input from others discouraging this or making changes, this is what I'm planning on doing:

    Epi-Strong: 30/ 45/ 45/ 45/ 45
    H-Drol: 50/ 75/ 75/ 75/ 75/ 75
    Stano-Drol: 300/450/450/450/450/450/450/450/450

    Epi: Weeks 1-5
    H-Drol: Weeks 4-9
    Stano-Drol: Weeks 1-9

    The Stano-Drol is recommended at 450 for cutting cycles, but as a 235lb guy, I may bump it up near the end and just cut the cycle shorter. Again, input is welcomed.

    *edit: I had all the doses spaced out for each week with spaces, but apparently it doesn't like that lol. And I don't feel like going back in to put 0's in.
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    lol
    im gonna run an identical cycle to yours
    cant wait to see your progress
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    lol
    im gonna run an identical cycle to yours
    cant wait to see your progress
    It'll be interesting for sure man. I've never had any problem putting on mass naturally, so we'll see what these products add. I was up to something like 345x6 unassisted/raw on bench press just w/ high cals and natty products, so this should be fun. We'll see what all the commotion is about haha.

    I'll post up my diet and such once I nail it down. I'll probably start right around 3,000 cals and see where it goes after a week, making adjustments as necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    It'll be interesting for sure man. I've never had any problem putting on mass naturally, so we'll see what these products add. I was up to something like 345x6 unassisted/raw on bench press just w/ high cals and natty products, so this should be fun. We'll see what all the commotion is about haha.

    I'll post up my diet and such once I nail it down. I'll probably start right around 3,000 cals and see where it goes after a week, making adjustments as necessary.

    What are you doing for your post?
    yeah i wanna see what happens but im gonna use my cycle to recomp, ive worked hard to get pretty lean now i just want to add some quality muscle while looking good.

    my post will be something like this:
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    Just some more information. I haven't been putting together real clear/complete posts as my mind just seems to be jumping all over the place. I thought I would list out what I plan on taking pre, during and post cycle just to take advice that others offer up on it as well.

    Pre-Cycle:

    - Cycle Assist

    *running my normal staples here as well.

    On-Cycle:

    - Epi-Strong / H-Drol / Stano-Drol (obviously)
    - Cycle Assist
    - 10g Fish Oil
    - Orange Triad
    - BCAAs / EAAs / Glutamine
    - AAKG pre-workout (other pre-workout if feeling lethargic)
    - Nutrient Partitioners
    - Taurine (as needed)

    Post-Cycle:

    - PCT Assist
    - 10g Creatine Monohydrate
    - Nolva (20/20/10/10) ?

    Other products I have that could be useful on hand:

    - Liver Assist XT
    - Inhibit-E
    - ERASE
    - Triazole
    - Lean Xtreme
    - Pink Magic
    - Prime
    - TNA
    - GHenerate
    - Suppress-C
    - Bulk SCRx Powder
    - Bulk DAA Powder
    - Hard FX
    - Cell Mass
    - Nitrix
    - extra Milk Thistle
    - Zinc
    - PowerFULL
    - CLA
    - EGCg
    - Ephedrine (HCl and Sulfate)
    - Oxy-Elite Pro
    - Alpha-T2
    - Tons of protein / pre-workouts


    Basically, I don't want to do something that is overkill. I don't want to throw in a bunch of crap that is unnecessary, nor do I want to waste anything. But, that's what I have in my stash and I'd love to hear most importantly what others think is the best PCT for this.

    Also, I really want to run ERASE. I have 2 bottles - when is it most beneficial to run it? And, would it be bad to run it on cycle?

    *edit: forgot to mention the taurine again lol
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    from what ive heard this cycle will shut you down hard as reported from other guys that have done epi/hdrol, they said they were shut down hard and that they would recommend a hefty dose of both nolva and clomid.

    i wouldnt waste that erase, your already on epi you dont need erase, and suppression of estro in PCT is not desirable, the goal of PCt is to up test not down estro, big diff.

    also heard creatine on cycle is beneficial and may help with progress
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    from what ive heard this cycle will shut you down hard as reported from other guys that have done epi/hdrol, they said they were shut down hard and that they would recommend a hefty dose of both nolva and clomid.

    i wouldnt waste that erase, your already on epi you dont need erase, and suppression of estro in PCT is not desirable, the goal of PCt is to up test not down estro, big diff.

    also heard creatine on cycle is beneficial and may help with progress
    Really, man? Most of what I'd read/researched leaned toward this not being a cycle that would be that harsh in terms of shutting things down.

    I figured ERASE wouldn't be something I'd want on cycle, but was thinking leading into it it might be ideal. I guess more than anything I was just really looking for a way to squeeze it in lol.

    I was going to wait until after cycle to bring the creatine in to hold onto gains and strength a little better and didn't really want to run it for ~15 weeks straight, though maybe I should just run it for that long.
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    oh well idk maybe it depends on how you run it but i saw your set up and your going epi 1-5 weeks and hdrol 4-9 weeks right? so idk how that might change but i have heard that some guys were shut down pretty hard, or so ive been told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    oh well idk maybe it depends on how you run it but i saw your set up and your going epi 1-5 weeks and hdrol 4-9 weeks right? so idk how that might change but i have heard that some guys were shut down pretty hard, or so ive been told.
    Yeah, that's my gameplan. Although, I'd be willing to up some dosages and cut the total number of weeks down by 1-2 if that would be a better choice, too. This is where it would be very beneficial to have some others weigh in.

    But I could be completely wrong, and this may be much more harsh than I've been led to believe.
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    i guess we'll find out
    ...good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    i guess we'll find out
    ...good luck!
    lol Thanks bro.

    I'm hoping to get some more info/input before long...
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    Diet


    Well, I've spent the last 2-3 hours hammering out the diet details as it will be very important. I'm working close to this now, but had not been following the macros or cals to a T.

    I'll be doing a 4-day lifting split, 3 days of cardio. Low carb days will be on cardio days. High carb days will be done on leg day and back/traps day. Moderate carb days will be for arm day and chest/delts day.



    Low Carb Day

    Meal 1: Egg White Omelette
    Fat Free American / Pepperjack cheese
    Turkey Brat

    Meal 2: 2 chunk light tuna

    Meal 3: 1/2lb burger
    3oz chicken
    Butter toffee almonds

    Meal 4: 2 turkey brats
    3oz chicken

    Meal 5: 2 scoops NutraPro

    Meal 6: 6 Eggs
    5 strips turkey bacon

    Meal 7: 2 scoops ON casein

    2,773 cals / 116g fat / 42g carbs / 361.5g protein




    Mod-Carb Day

    Meal 1: 3 pieces Nature’s Pride bread
    2 tbsp natty peanut butter
    turkey brat

    Meal 2: 2 chunk light tuna

    Meal 3: 1/2lb burger
    Fat free American cheese

    Meal 4: 2 packets maple-brown sugar oatmeal
    6 oz chicken
    banana

    Meal 5: 3 scoops NutraPro / 1 scoop Carb Slam

    Meal 6: Egg white omelette
    Fat Free American / Pepperjack cheese
    5 strips turkey bacon
    2 packets maple-brown sugar oatmeal

    Meal 7: 2 scoops ON casein

    3,128 cals / 88.5g fat / 228g carbs / 350.5g protein





    High Carb Day

    Meal 1: 4 packets maple-brown sugar oatmeal
    Egg white omelette
    Fat-free American / Pepperjack cheese

    Meal 2: 2 chunk light tuna

    Meal 3: 2 packets maple-brown sugar oatmeal
    3oz chicken

    Meal 4: Banana
    4 pieces Nature’s Pride bread
    10 slices turkey
    2 slices fat-free American cheese

    Meal 5: 3 scoops NutraPro / 1 scoop WMS / ½ cup oats

    Meal 6: 4oz whole grain pasta
    2 chunk light tuna

    Meal 7: 2 scoops ON casein

    3,461 cals / 47.5g fat / 397g carbs / 356g protein
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    OK, well there are a couple of things...

    Length is pretty long for an oral run, most do 6-7 and anything over 8 most suggest running hCG the last few weeks to get the testes going again. At 9 weeks, you might wanna think about a hefty dose of SERM, or just shorten it. Because I don't think that anything less than 450mg of Stano-drol isn't going to do much for someone your size. I ran PP's androhard(same compound) and 450 didn't really feel like much. I def could have handled more IMO, 600mg is way better. Maybe even bump it up to 750 if your feeling good near the end. So shortening it might serve you well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkd0c View Post
    OK, well there are a couple of things...

    Length is pretty long for an oral run, most do 6-7 and anything over 8 most suggest running hCG the last few weeks to get the testes going again. At 9 weeks, you might wanna think about a hefty dose of SERM, or just shorten it. Because I don't think that anything less than 450mg of Stano-drol isn't going to do much for someone your size. I ran PP's androhard(same compound) and 450 didn't really feel like much. I def could have handled more IMO, 600mg is way better. Maybe even bump it up to 750 if your feeling good near the end. So shortening it might serve you well.

    BTW, i'm def sub a dub dubbeddddd
    Thanks for the input here, man - I appreciate it more than you could know. When it comes to training and diet, I've got a great handle on things. Even on natural supps, I'm pretty solid. But this is a new venture for me, and like I said, even with all the research I do, I feel like I'm coming up short on knowledge.

    I thought with as mild as some of these compounds were that it wouldn't be too bad to run for the 9 weeks (particularly the stano-drol being unmethylated). I'm trying to piece together a new, stronger/shorter cycle and this is what I'm coming up with just off first bat:

    Stano-Drol: 450/600/600/600/600/600/600
    Epi-Strong: 030/045/045/060/000/000/000
    ___H-Drol: 000/000/050/075/075/075/100

    Based on my size, this may be a bit more effective. But is it too much? Only 2 weeks of methyl-overlap so H-Drol will be in full swing by the time I'm off Epi and I'll still be feeling the strength from Epi pushing through.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Thanks for the input here, man - I appreciate it more than you could know. When it comes to training and diet, I've got a great handle on things. Even on natural supps, I'm pretty solid. But this is a new venture for me, and like I said, even with all the research I do, I feel like I'm coming up short on knowledge.

    I thought with as mild as some of these compounds were that it wouldn't be too bad to run for the 9 weeks (particularly the stano-drol being unmethylated). I'm trying to piece together a new, stronger/shorter cycle and this is what I'm coming up with just off first bat:

    Stano-Drol: 450/600/600/600/600/600/600
    Epi-Strong: 030/045/045/060/000/000/000
    ___H-Drol: 000/000/050/075/075/075/100

    Based on my size, this may be a bit more effective. But is it too much? Only 2 weeks of methyl-overlap so H-Drol will be in full swing by the time I'm off Epi and I'll still be feeling the strength from Epi pushing through.

    Thoughts?
    Yeah, This is more like what I would do if I were running this cycle. and think about our size difference.. Also, you may not need to bump to 60 on the Epi unless you feel confident about it.

    Hdrol is lighter on the liver than epi so I don't think you'll have to worry about the overlap as long as you have good liver support.

    Now go out and KILL THAT SHIIIT!!!
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    My only worry about that cycle is the length and not the compounds. Based on my experience, yours might be different, after 5+ weeks on orals you are wanting it to be over with. You will probably have back pumps that get frustrating and the lethargy will also be present and by week 6 you will want to feel like yourself again. The compound choices are pretty mild so from that standpoint the sides should not be too bad.
  

  
 

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