m-drol/epi/tren log

[ottoclif]

Cycle Info:

M-drol: 10/20/20/0/0/0/0
Epi: 0/0/30/40/40/40/40
Tren: 70/70/105/105/140/140/140

PCT:
Clomid: 150(Day 1-3),75mg(Day4-7)/50/50/25
Inhibit-E: 2/2/1/1/0/0
Reduce XT: 0/0/3/3/3/3
PCT Assist: 6/6/6/6/0/0

Age: 26
Height: 5'10"
Beginning Weight: 198
Target Weight: 220

I started this cycle yesterday

Day1: 10mg M-drol/70mg Tren

Weight: 198

I did back yesterday and finished workout really strong. Really pumped for this cycle.

Pull-ups 4x12
Bentover Row 135x15/185x12/225x10/225x10
Lat Pulldown 200x12/220x10/260x7
Seated Cable Row 160x12/180x10/200x10
Hammer Pulldown 180x15/270x10/360x8

 

[ottoclif]

Day 2: 10mg M-drol/70mg Tren

I did chest today. Once again finished workout really strong. Not as fatigued I usually get.

Incline Barbell 15x135/15x135/10x185/10x185
Flat DB 80x12/90x10/90x8
Hammer Decline 180x12/230x10/270x8/270x8
Hammer Incline 180x10/180x10/180x10
Low Cable Flyes 20x15/20x15/20x15/20x15
High Cable Flye 25x15/25x15/25x15/25x15

 

[ottoclif]

Day3: 10mg M-drol/70mg Tren

Weight: 198.5

Today was legs day. My legs are weakest body part. I suffer from a neurogical disease known as Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease and it has caused the inside of one of my calves to completely atrophy. I can still do most of the exercises, but my strength sucks.

Leg Extensions (warm-up) 85x15/85x15/85x15/85x15
Squats 135x12/135x12/225x10/275x8/275x8
Walking Lunges Length of Gym for 3 sets
Leg Extensions 115x10/135x10/135x10
Standing Hamstring Curl 35x10/45x10/45x10
Seated Calf Raise 45x10/45x10/45x10/45x10

 

[laserbluess]

wow man, this is an intense cycle. best of luck with it, ill keep up with this log for sure. not sure i could handle 3 ph's at once.

 

[HumpTheCook]

subb'd

this is exactly what i wanted to do... gonna be good.

 

[Delta Force]

this is a similar cycle i did in April and really loved it, especially the beginning since I respond really well to SD, I would make the following recommendations since you're too back end loaded, do EPI for only 4 weeks on the tren you dont need to taper up raise the dose sooner... and stop at 6 weeks, i think thats too long


M-drol: 20/20/20/0/0/0/
Epi: 0/0/30/40/40/40
Tren: 105/105/105/140/140/140


best of luck and stay in the gym... thats where you belong if you take all this

 

[ottoclif]

Thaks Delta Force. I was kind of thinking the same about the length of the cycle. I went ahead and bumped the SD up to 20mg today. I've ran a few cycles with the SD before I just don't feel anything at 10mg.

Day 4: 20mg SD/70mg Tren

Weight: 199.5

Today I did shoulders/traps. Felt much harder today in the gym. Maybe starting to get that amazing PH pump. Looked lot more vascular too. It's only been 4 days so maybe this is all in my mind. Im not taking any stimulated pre-workout. Only vitargo, arginine, and bcaas.

Military Press 135x15/185x8/185x8/185x8
Lateral Raise 25x15/30x10/35x10/35x10
Upright Row 95x10/105x10/115x10
Bentover Lat Raise 30x10/35x10/35x10
Front Raise 35x10/25x10/35x10
Reverse Peck Deck 130x15/160x12/190x10
DB Overhead Press 50x15/60x15
DB Shrugs 105x10/105x10/105x10/105x10
Behind-the-back shrug 135x15/225x10/275x10

 

[suresha]

what are your goals to accomplish on this run, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Delta Force]

you should bump your tren too... I think you're doing too many sets... try to go heavy in less sets... you should be hitting PR's in no time

 

[gymrat827]

gosh you guys love your tren, sh!t....... I never do more than 100/105mg.

Goodluck, make sure to use Life/Cycle support, your going to need it.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 5: 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight: 200lbs

Really started to feel the fullness and vascularity today. Did arms and felt like my enitre upper body was pumped. Starting to get that SD dry joint pump. Gotta add in the supercissus starting tomorrow.

Barbell Curl 95x10/95x10/115x8
Straight Bar Pushdowns 70x12/100x10/100x10
Incline DB Curl 35x10/40x10/40x8
Skull Crushers 105x10/125x8/125x8
Hammer Curl 50x8/50x8/50x8
Overhead DB Extension 105x10/105x10/105x10

 

[Delta Force]

everyone responds differently to tren, in my case I did not response so well, I took it 100mg for 6 weeks and felt better at 20mg on SD, but yeah i would not recommend to go much higher than 100mg, also be sure to take extra milk thistle along with your Life/Cycle support, you can buy it bulk and at minimum take it 4 hours after you last dose of SD, its my understanding it does not interfere with tren

 

[ottoclif]

Day 6 & Day 7: 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

I take a break from the gym on the weekends and just focus on rest and recovery. Much more vascularity and fullness.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 8: 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight: 202lbs

Today I did my "Doomsday Back" workout. I had an amazing pump, great vascularity, and I seemed a lot more dense.

Pullups 3x10
superset with
DB Pullovers 100x10/100x8/100x8

Barbell Row 135x10/185x10/225x8
superset with
Pulldowns 200x10/200x10/200x10

T-Bar Row 135x10/160x8/180x8
superset with
Hammer Strength Low Row 180x10/250x8/250x8

 

[Delta Force]

8 days in on SD I would expect higher numbers on your weight, how's your diet? are you eating enough calories? bump them if you want weight to move up.

How's strength so far? are you getting any PR's, keep killing it in the gym!

 

[greaser]

Stacking Epi with Mdrol is a really bad idea. You should NEVER stack two methylated compounds This is doubly so with Mdrol as it is double methlated. Instead of being 17a, like Epi and Hdrol, it's 2a,17a, making it twice is hepatoxic as Epi or Hdrol. It's harsh enough on your liver by itself, but stacking it with another 17a steroid is really pushing it. I strongly suggest you drop either the Epi or the Mdrol and you should probably have some intra-cycle blood work done to check on your liver values.

 

[tshaw024]

What's the best way to split up a dose of 30 mg of m-drol per day? What's the half-life??

 

[HumpTheCook]

Stacking Epi with Mdrol is a really bad idea. You should NEVER stack two methylated compounds This is doubly so with Mdrol as it is double methlated. Instead of being 17a, like Epi and Hdrol, it's 2a,17a, making it twice is hepatoxic as Epi or Hdrol. It's harsh enough on your liver by itself, but stacking it with another 17a steroid is really pushing it. I strongly suggest you drop either the Epi or the Mdrol and you should probably have some intra-cycle blood work done to check on your liver values.

he is not really stacking them. he is bridging one into the other... only taking both at the same time for 7 days.

 

[HumpTheCook]

What's the best way to split up a dose of 30 mg of m-drol per day? What's the half-life??

8 hour half life i belive.

ive done 10 am, 10pre-wo, 10 eveing

now i am doing 10 am, 20 pre-wo

 

[ottoclif]

8 days in on SD I would expect higher numbers on your weight, how's your diet? are you eating enough calories? bump them if you want weight to move up.

How's strength so far? are you getting any PR's, keep killing it in the gym!

Today is only my 5th day at 20mg so hopefully I will see a larger increase in weight by the end of the week. I definitely need to bump up my calories. I think I'm going to start eating every 2.5hrs instead of every 3 in order to get an extra meal in.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 9: 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight: 204lbs

I felt very on edge today at work. Don't know if it was from the ph of from something else. Had great vascularity all day. Muscles are getting a lot harder. Did chest at the gym and had an amazing pump. Looked a lot more jacked than I was a week ago.

DB Incline 100x10/100x10/100x8
Flat Bench 225x12/285x8/285x6
Hammer Strength Decline 270x15/340x8/340x8
Incline DB Flyes 50x10/50x10/50x10
Low Cable Flye 25x10/25x10/25x10

 

[UnrealMachine]

Stacking Epi with Mdrol is a really bad idea. You should NEVER stack two methylated compounds This is doubly so with Mdrol as it is double methlated. Instead of being 17a, like Epi and Hdrol, it's 2a,17a, making it twice is hepatoxic as Epi or Hdrol. It's harsh enough on your liver by itself, but stacking it with another 17a steroid is really pushing it. I strongly suggest you drop either the Epi or the Mdrol and you should probably have some intra-cycle blood work done to check on your liver values.

You from bb.com? lol no offense meant. Welcome to AM

ottoclif ur cycle looks insane. In a good way haha. Wish u would do some after pics, that cycle has got to jack u up like mad.

 

[ottoclif]

Nice to see you on my log unreal. I will have before and after pictures.

 

[Delta Force]

Nice to see you on my log unreal. I will have before and after pictures.

take them pics soon... the before has left the station

 

[ottoclif]

I took them before I started. The transformation has begun.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 10 (Wednesday): 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight 205lbs

Did legs at the gym. Had a great workout. Really starting to notice the hardness and fullness. That's what she said.

Leg Extensions 3 warm-up sets
Squats 135x10/185x10/225x10/275x8/275x6
Leg Press 180x15/360x10/360x10
Seated Hamstring Curls 130x10/145x10/160x10
Leg Extensions 160x10/160x10/160x10
Standing Calf Raise 3x10 (I'm unable to do these with any weight)
Seated Calf Raise 45x15/45x15/45x15

 

[ottoclif]

Day 11 (Thursday): 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight: 206lbs

Wasn't able to go to the gym after work because I literally thought there was hurricane going on down here. I couldn't even get out of the car. Very vascular and dense today. Gaining at about a pound a day now. Have a feeling I am going to fly by my original goal of getting to 220.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 12 (Friday): 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight: 206lbs

Had a great workout today. Supersetted arms and shoulders since I did not get to do shoulders on thursday. Guy at the gym came up to me and said that I looked like I had been eating weights. lol. No lifting pr yet, but definitely getting bigger and stronger.

DB shoulder Press 70x12/80x10/80x10
superset with
Barbell Curl 95x10/95x10/95x10
superset with
Cable Pressdown 135x10/135x10/135x10

DB Lateral Raise 30x12/35x10/40x8
superset with
DB Curl 55x10/50x10/50x8
superset with
Skull Crushers 125x10/125x10/125x10

Reverse Pec Deck 160x12/190x10/210x8
superset with
DB Hammer Curl 50x10/45x10/45x10
superset with
Overhead DB Extension 105x10/105x10/105x10

 

[ottoclif]

Tomorrow starts week 3 and I will begin using the epistane.
Next week looks like this:
Mdrol 20mg
Epi 30mg
Tren 105mg

Any suggestions on what time of the day I should be dosing the epi?

 

[Outstanding]

Day 8: 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren

Weight: 202lbs

Today I did my "Doomsday Back" workout. I had an amazing pump, great vascularity, and I seemed a lot more dense.

Pullups 3x10
superset with
DB Pullovers 100x10/100x8/100x8

Barbell Row 135x10/185x10/225x8
superset with
Pulldowns 200x10/200x10/200x10

T-Bar Row 135x10/160x8/180x8
superset with
Hammer Strength Low Row 180x10/250x8/250x8

Heck of a workout! Keep up the great/hard work. Dumbbell pullovers are my bread and butter

Superdrol has started to dry out my joints slightly, but it isn't extremely noticeable as it is with Winstrol (which I will never cycle again). How long does it take the Cissus to work its magic for you, and do you buy in bulk or the caps?

If you have time, I'd like to hear your thoughts and feedback on Vitargo S2 and how you're using it. I wish Genr8 didn't hold a monopoly on the patent rights

 

[ottoclif]

I take the cissus caps. 3 caps 15min before breakfast and 3 15min before dinner. I had elbow reconstruction surgery in 1998 and also tore my labrum and rotator cuff in my right shoulder. These are baseball injuries. I don't have pain in my shoulder or elbow anymore.

I love vitargo. One of the best product ever made imo. I take 1 scoop preworkout with 5 grams of arginine and 5 grams of bcaa. Also take two scoops post with 2 scoops of wheybolic. Fruit punch is my favorite flavor.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 15: 20mg Mdrol/30mg Epi/105mg Tren

First day of epi today. Worked out and the morning and had an amazing pump. Started to get back pumps today for the first time. Also did not drink enough water today. Don't have a weight for today because the scale at the gym was broke.

Widegrip pull-ups 3x10
Deadlifts 135x12/225x10/225x8
Reverse-grip Pulldowns 160x10/180x10/200x10
Vbar underhand grip rows 215x10/215x10/215x10
Behind-the-neck pulldowns 180x10/200x10/200x10
Close-grip cable row 160x10/180x10/200x8

 

[Outstanding]

I take the cissus caps. 3 caps 15min before breakfast and 3 15min before dinner. I had elbow reconstruction surgery in 1998 and also tore my labrum and rotator cuff in my right shoulder. These are baseball injuries. I don't have pain in my shoulder or elbow anymore.

I love vitargo. One of the best product ever made imo. I take 1 scoop preworkout with 5 grams of arginine and 5 grams of bcaa. Also take two scoops post with 2 scoops of wheybolic. Fruit punch is my favorite flavor.

Thanks a lot... aside from Stealth, Vitargo S2 + a quality isolate would be my choice post workout meal.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 16: 20mg Mdrol/30mg Epi/105mg Tren

Lots of backpumps today. Might be from deadlifts or might be from adding in the epi. Feel pretty huge right now.

Incline Press 135x15/185x10/225x10/225x8
Flat DB Press 105x10/105x10/105x10
Decline Press 135x15/225x10/225x10
Low Cable Flye 35x10/35x10/35x10
Flat DB Flye 60x10/60x10/65x8

 

[ottoclif]

Day 17: 20mg Mdrol/30mg Epi/105mg Tren

Big jump in leg strength today. I usually can'd do that much weight because of my calf atrophy.

Leg Extensions (warm-up) 4 sets
Leg Press 225x15/405x10/495x10/585x8/585x6
Standing Hamstring Curls 35x12/60x10/60x10/60x8
Squats 135x12/225x10/275x8/275x6
Standing and Seated Calf Raises

 

[ottoclif]

Day 18: 20mg Mdrol/30mg Epi/105mg Tren

Weight: 209

Today is usually shoulders/traps, but i decided to take a day off. Back pumps were killing me today.

 

[ottoclif]

Day 19: 20mg Mdrol/30mg Epi/105mg Tren

Awesome workout today. Crazy pump. Felt like my shoulders were going to explode.

Military Press 95x12/135x10/155x10/185x6
Lateral Raises 20x10/35x10/40x8/40x8
Reverse Pec Deck 130x10/160x10/190x10/220x8
Front Raises 35x10/35x10/35x10
DB Shrugs 120x15/120x15/120x15/120x15

 

[Outstanding]

Any severe side effects creeping up yet (back pain, joint pain, acne, etc)?

 

[ottoclif]

Day 20 (Saturday): 20mg Mdrol/105mg Tren/30mg Epi

Weight: 210lbs

Great vascularity and fullness. Going to give myself the weekend off from the gym and just focus on eating a lot of food. Starting Monday, its just epi and tren. Might start doing some light cardio in the morning to help keep body fat down. I guess it really doesn't matter since im bulking right now. Hope to gain another 10lbs by the end of cycle. I will try to hold the weight for 2-3 months and then run a recomp cycle of hdrol.

 

[ottoclif]

Any severe side effects creeping up yet (back pain, joint pain, acne, etc)?

Low back pumps got pretty bad this week. I stand all day at work so that doen't help. Joints feel pretty good. They burn a little during the workout, but that is just the ph pump. Skin is extra oily, but no acne to report. I usually break out REALLY BAD during PCT.

 

[Delta Force]

Day 16: 20mg Mdrol/30mg Epi/105mg Tren

Lots of backpumps today. Might be from deadlifts or might be from adding in the epi. Feel pretty huge right now.

Incline Press 135x15/185x10/225x10/225x8
Flat DB Press 105x10/105x10/105x10
Decline Press 135x15/225x10/225x10
Low Cable Flye 35x10/35x10/35x10
Flat DB Flye 60x10/60x10/65x8

if you are bridging mdrol and epi you should not take them at the same time, that was my advice early on

 

[ottoclif]

this is a similar cycle i did in April and really loved it, especially the beginning since I respond really well to SD, I would make the following recommendations since you're too back end loaded, do EPI for only 4 weeks on the tren you dont need to taper up raise the dose sooner... and stop at 6 weeks, i think thats too long


M-drol: 20/20/20/0/0/0/
Epi: 0/0/30/40/40/40
Tren: 105/105/105/140/140/140


best of luck and stay in the gym... thats where you belong if you take all this

This is what you recommended a couple of weeks ago and this is what I am following. Week 3 has all of them together.

 

[Outstanding]

Low back pumps got pretty bad this week. Joints feel pretty good. They burn a little during the workout, but that is just the ph pump.

Ah yes, the PH-Pump... nothing like bending over in agony from the excruciating deep throbbing pain coursing through your arms and shoulders on arm-day. It nearly takes my breath away doing super sets it's so painful.

I usually break out REALLY BAD during PCT.

...Not looking forward to this - AT ALL, but its the name of the game I suppose. My breakouts have continued to be less severe since I ran a cycle of Accutane years ago.

 

[Delta Force]

This is what you recommended a couple of weeks ago and this is what I am following. Week 3 has all of them together.

hmm.. my bad, I remember now what I did... I was reducing your cycle from 7 to 6 weeks thats what introduced this overlap... keep doing what you doing

 

[ottoclif]

Hey Guys. Haven't posted in quite some time because I got busy and sort of got tired updating my workouts everyday. Tomorrow is my last day of epi/tren and I start my PCT on Monday. Weight is at 217. My strength is the best it has ever been. No sides to report except for the occasional back pump. Skin is very oily.

I have a couple of questions about my PCT. Here is my planned PCT

Clomid 150mg(Day1-3),75mg(Day4-7)/50/50/25
Inhibit-E 2/2/1/1/0
PCT Assist 6/6/6/6/0
Reduce XT 0/0/x/x/x/x


1. Should I split up my Clomid dose throughout the day or take it all at once? I'm using liquid Clomid at 35mg/mL.

2. Is the clomid dosing at the proper level?

 

[laserbluess]

wow man, just got in for this log. cant believe i didnt see it before. your weight gain is phenomenal. kudos. as for the clomid i cant comment cause i have never taken it.

best of luck though man.

 

[schwellington]

150 mgs of clomid is absurdly high I have never seen it run over 100


Other than that looks fine

did u run mdrol epi AND tren??!

 

[PumpDogg]

Ive noticed that here on AM dosages of many compounds are dosed to high IMO. There is no need to dose the clomid higher than 50. If u dont believe me, do the research on pubmed and read the journals

 

[PumpDogg]

In the journals they use 25 mgs to restore normal HPTA in steroid induced hypogonal men.. U will be better off running it at 25-50 for longer duration, again in my humble opinion.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

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