not a bad idea, but it's too late for that with me. i've been taking 4 pumps a day (2 every 12 hours or so) since the start. mostly the 4AD is relied on to combat the sides of M1T anyway.
Yeah I know it's too late for you but not for me LOL.
I just started m-1-t today. I will be running 10mg (will up to max 20 if I don't see results) for 4 weeks.
This is my first time with the product and I just want to assess it's effectiveness alone.
If sides get to a point where I can't tolerate them... does ANYONE have any input about adding 4-ad half way through?
You'd probably be fine doing that. I've run 2 M1T stand alone cycles and am finishing a M1T/4AD/1,4AD cycle.
The addition of 4AD halfway through shouldn't impact your cycle negatively although the 4AD might take a while to kick in and alleviate the sides.
The addition of the 4Ad/1,4AD to my cycle did not seem to add much LBM although it did give me additional energy and really kept my appetite going strong. M1T really kills my appetite.
All in all I think adding 4AD just makes the M1T cycle more "comfortable" and a bit more productive, lol.
Well, I gained 1 lb so I figure I'll stick it out for a little more. Checked in this morning at 258 for a 12 lb total gain so far. Did leg #1 today. Squats went good, gained an extra 10lbs plus 1 rep. But another side effect is my lower back is getting too pumped, to the point where it's difficult to walk. Feels very similar to a dbol pump. Couldn't finish deadlifts but I did what I could. Still no other sides, and the acne is starting to go away. Looking kinda forward to being done with this and moving on to M5AA but for now I won't ditch it until it ditches me.
Ok, nevermind, it ditched me. Today I weighed in the exact same. Did back and bi's. Went good, gained about 10 lbs on each lift. So, the strength is still going up but I can get that out of M5AA and I'm looking forward to changing it up and stop rubbing this **** on twice a day. Look like a friggin pervert rubbing my chest, wife is laughing at me all the damn time. Anyway, I'm more than happy with the M1T and trans 4AD cycle, but the time has come to seek gains elsewhere. I'll be starting the M5AA tommorrow morning preworkout at 20mg.
Well, I'm up another pound to 259 now. Did shoulders and tri's this morning. Shoulders didn't go so well, but it may be time to change the routine up. However, tri's went great. Everything went up considerably. Endurance is through the roof, having to take 30-60 second breaks between sets. Reached a personal best on close grip benches with 315 for 6 reps. So far so good.
Dropped 2lbs since yesterday but my strength and endurance are through the roof. Did legs#2 today, **** went great. Jumped up 20lbs on leg press, 30lbs on hack squat, 20lbs on straight leg deadlifts. No bad effects whatsoever. Feel great all day.
Up one pound to 258lbs now. More good news is the bloat I had from M1T and 4AD is gone. M5AA seems to be a pretty good product. It's kind of weird though, I don't feel any different, but my strength is increasing faster than ever. Did chest this morning and things went better than expected. Up 10lbs on incline bench and up 50lbs on the hammer press machine, but then again, some of that 50lbs increase is probably because this is my 2nd week back on this particular exercise. I'll measure probably tommorrow sometime so see what's going on in that area. Til then, peace.
I don't know what the hell happened during 3 days but I dropped down to 251lbs this morning. Didn't matter too much, strength is still going up consistently. I suspect most of the bodyweight gain was water weight from the 4AD and M1T anyway. No big loss there. Cardio is going much easier, the back pumps have left, strength and endurance are going great. IMO M5AA is an awesome product and probably better than M1T.
Great log, keep it up. I've been following your cycle because I'm going to start the M5AA next week and, besides you, I have only seen feedback from Sledge and Prolangtum. I'm hoping it will help me retain, or gain strength, during my current cutting cycle. I've never seen too much of a strength increase from 1-T products and I can't stand the bloat I get so this sounds as if it might be what I'm looking for. I'm just wondering now whether to go with 10 or 20 mg pre-workout. I'll probably start out at 10 for the first week, but I haven't decided yet.
awesome log, and I would start with the 10mgs, you can always increase the dose if needed. I have to agree, I love M5AA, without having a total change in attitude, which usually happens with me when I use tren, M5AA increases strength like crazy.
Thanks for the responses, I was beginning to think I was writing to myself. Anywayz, dropped another lb since yesterday. I'm down to 250lbs now. I measured last night, my arms are back down to 19", legs went down to less than usual to 23", calves 16", chest 48". Sounds bad at first but I'm stronger now than I've been in a long time. And I feel a lot leaner, starting to have an awesome peak on my bicep and lo and behold there's a six pack under there. I've got the eliptical maxed out for resistance and I'm burning it up as fast as I can go, and it's still no problem. Barely broke a sweat. Measurements and bodyweight don't mean a lot if the strength isn't there so I still consider this a success. Did back and bi's this morning and it went awesome. Went up 2 reps on wide-grip pullups, 20lbs on close grip pulldowns, and a rep or two on everything else.
Another question off topic regarding PCT. I know this stuff isn't illegal but I'm getting questions at work (marines) from the piss test people saying that I have been suspected for steroid use recently. I'm clean in that area by a long shot; however, the PCT includes Nolva which as far as I know is illegal. I've got 6oxo, but I've heard the bashings of doing that solo. Any suggestions as to what I could do? I've got less than a year left in this contract and then I'm done. It'd be screwed up to waste 8 years for Nolva.
I'm not too sure about the nolva, all these great 'research chems.' weren't available when I was in the army , but if you're concerned about it go ahead and just use the 6-OXO. I had GREAT success with a topical 6-OXO I homebrewed, but if you go over to BSL they've got a new topical out called post-androgen cycle therapy (PaCT) that should do the trick.
You are telling him to take 6OXO over nolva? That isn't the brightest thing to do.
Those research chemsa re nothing out of the ordinary. It is either Nolva powder with Everclear,151, or peg. No big deal there.
sifu, i know it's not the brightest thing to do but given my options with a possible piss test in the near future, nolva isn't the best idea. i'm looking for legal alternatives that won't cause the piss test monitors to **** a brick.
Dude if you are worried about that, you shouldn't even be on your cycle.
M5AA converts to Metelone(spelling) so it would show up as well if they are looking for anything other than recreational drugs. Otherwise I would fail the military test all the time.
And M1,4ADD will show up as either Methyl EQ or Dbol, so what is the difference?
No, I'm not telling him to use 6-oxo over nolva. I said I wan't sure about the nolva, as in whether to worry about it on a piss test. The big deal is that now you can go to any number of internet sites and order instead of having to find a reliable source, which wasn't the easiest thing to do a while back.Originally Posted by sifu
First of all, prohormones are legal therefore I am allowed to take them, regardless of what it converts to, legal is legal. The question was about nolva, which is not legal. But the question is being avoided and flamed upon so nevermind.
Today, I weighed in at 249, so that's another lb down the ****ter. But once again, it doesn't matter. I'm leaning up and strengthing up. Did shoulders and tri's today. Everything is going up by leaps and bounds. Did some cardio last night and once again burned the machine up with max resistance. This stuff is the shiznitz, I don't believe I could ask for more out of 1 product.
Beezle so you take phs because they are legal, but did you care to think about PCT supps like nolva which is just as important?
If you can't take nolva/clomid/idex for you PCT then you should have stayed away from stronger phs. Now all you can do is take your ZMA,6oxo and chrysin.