M1t And 4ad/ M5aa
- 01-28-2004, 12:57 PM
- 01-28-2004, 01:33 PM
Thanks for the responses, I was beginning to think I was writing to myself. Anywayz, dropped another lb since yesterday. I'm down to 250lbs now. I measured last night, my arms are back down to 19", legs went down to less than usual to 23", calves 16", chest 48". Sounds bad at first but I'm stronger now than I've been in a long time. And I feel a lot leaner, starting to have an awesome peak on my bicep and lo and behold there's a six pack under there. I've got the eliptical maxed out for resistance and I'm burning it up as fast as I can go, and it's still no problem. Barely broke a sweat. Measurements and bodyweight don't mean a lot if the strength isn't there so I still consider this a success. Did back and bi's this morning and it went awesome. Went up 2 reps on wide-grip pullups, 20lbs on close grip pulldowns, and a rep or two on everything else.
- 01-28-2004, 01:40 PM
Another question off topic regarding PCT. I know this stuff isn't illegal but I'm getting questions at work (marines) from the piss test people saying that I have been suspected for steroid use recently. I'm clean in that area by a long shot; however, the PCT includes Nolva which as far as I know is illegal. I've got 6oxo, but I've heard the bashings of doing that solo. Any suggestions as to what I could do? I've got less than a year left in this contract and then I'm done. It'd be screwed up to waste 8 years for Nolva.
01-28-2004, 01:51 PM
I'm not too sure about the nolva, all these great 'research chems.' weren't available when I was in the army , but if you're concerned about it go ahead and just use the 6-OXO. I had GREAT success with a topical 6-OXO I homebrewed, but if you go over to BSL they've got a new topical out called post-androgen cycle therapy (PaCT) that should do the trick.
01-28-2004, 01:59 PM
You are telling him to take 6OXO over nolva? That isn't the brightest thing to do.
Those research chemsa re nothing out of the ordinary. It is either Nolva powder with Everclear,151, or peg. No big deal there.
01-28-2004, 02:04 PM
sifu, i know it's not the brightest thing to do but given my options with a possible piss test in the near future, nolva isn't the best idea. i'm looking for legal alternatives that won't cause the piss test monitors to **** a brick.
01-28-2004, 02:08 PM
Dude if you are worried about that, you shouldn't even be on your cycle.
M5AA converts to Metelone(spelling) so it would show up as well if they are looking for anything other than recreational drugs. Otherwise I would fail the military test all the time.
And M1,4ADD will show up as either Methyl EQ or Dbol, so what is the difference?
01-28-2004, 06:20 PM
No, I'm not telling him to use 6-oxo over nolva. I said I wan't sure about the nolva, as in whether to worry about it on a piss test. The big deal is that now you can go to any number of internet sites and order instead of having to find a reliable source, which wasn't the easiest thing to do a while back.Originally Posted by sifu
01-29-2004, 12:20 PM
First of all, prohormones are legal therefore I am allowed to take them, regardless of what it converts to, legal is legal. The question was about nolva, which is not legal. But the question is being avoided and flamed upon so nevermind.
Today, I weighed in at 249, so that's another lb down the ****ter. But once again, it doesn't matter. I'm leaning up and strengthing up. Did shoulders and tri's today. Everything is going up by leaps and bounds. Did some cardio last night and once again burned the machine up with max resistance. This stuff is the shiznitz, I don't believe I could ask for more out of 1 product.
01-29-2004, 12:58 PM
Beezle so you take phs because they are legal, but did you care to think about PCT supps like nolva which is just as important?
If you can't take nolva/clomid/idex for you PCT then you should have stayed away from stronger phs. Now all you can do is take your ZMA,6oxo and chrysin.
01-29-2004, 01:17 PM
Ok, just my .02, but everyone needs to stop giving the man a hard time about what he is and isn't willing to take. I see absolutely nothing wrong with his desire to stay completely above board in regards to whether what he takes is legal or not. He's in a position where his life, not to mention his career, could go completely down the ****ter if he's not careful about the 'supplements' he takes. Is it likely that he would get caught?...no, but that still might not justify the risk involved for him. Look, all I'm saying is that if you're unsure about the nolva don't use it, there are a lot of different options out there for you (6-oxo, PaCT, etc.). You already understand that they're not going to be as effective, but I seriously doubt you're going to be hypogonadal for the rest of your life if you don't use nolva. Anyways, thanks your cycle feedback and good luck with the rest of it.
01-29-2004, 06:11 PM
MarcusG, Sifu, whoever,
OK, this will be my last post regarding this. I have nolva, I intended on taking nolva for PCT. To give a brief history, I've done a few illegal cycles while I've been in but I've had no problems until now. This is the first time they've questioned it which means they're watching my ass now. It doesn't show up on the standard piss test. It's a hormone test which is specifically for roids. Now, like I said, there is a problem because nolva is illegal so I have to deal with it as appropriate as possible.
Jay12, thanks for the help and suggestions.
01-29-2004, 07:29 PM
Alright I missed the part where they suspected you of taking steroids. I thought you knew all along that nolva was illegal - so sorry bout that. I'm sure there are many military folks on this board who are using so maybe they can help. Is clomid illegal then?
01-30-2004, 01:04 PM
Weighed in today at 248lbs, 1lb loss since yesterday. That makes for 11lbs lost since last Friday (1 week). Did legs #2 today, went awesome once again. Gained another 10lbs on leg press, 30lbs on hack squat, and 20lbs on straight leg deadlifts. Awesome stuff, still feel great.
01-30-2004, 11:10 PM
I work in a lab in a military hospital. Our machines are not set up to test for any AAS. Any AAS test will have to be shipped out to a reference lab and costs a bit of money. What exactly did the "piss test people" say to you? Also I believe under UCMJ they need a reason to test you other than "That guy's pretty ****ing big.", like health problems, someone ratting on you, ect. I might be wrong. You might wanna talk to someone at JAG if you really think they're gonna test you, or have somebody else talk to them for you. And I really don't think nolva is that big of a deal, or they might not even test for it, but I could be wrong. I would not wanna use just 6oxo coming off your cycle, or any cycle for that matter. If you do have to use it, go for the bulk powder from Mike and some T-Gel. But I still think it's a bad idea to only use 6oxo.
01-31-2004, 01:23 AM
lol sorry, I just thought that was hilarious. On another note, my first shirt has seen my bottles of clomid and nolvadex and I told him the truth... they didn't say anything *shrug*.Originally Posted by supersoldier
01-31-2004, 01:55 AM
What's a "first shirt"? I used to be at Fort Sam Houston. Man I miss San Antonio.Originally Posted by surferdude26
01-31-2004, 02:57 AM
First seargent haha, fort sam.. i bought my furniture there. Im stationed in lackland ATM. San antonio isn't bad... but apart from my other TDY assignments (colorado springs, landstuhl germany) I have to say that I have the grass is always greener on the other side effect. Because GOD i miss germany. But hey, at least im thankful i didnt get stuck in north dakota or somethin.Originally Posted by supersoldier
01-31-2004, 03:56 AM
They haven't said **** lately, so i'm starting to calm down. I got called in to the SgtMaj's office today, so I was expecting something, but it turned out to be nothing important. My captain basically told the piss test people to "**** off, this guy eats about 10lbs of protein a day, and works out about 2 hours a day, he's not doing anything illegal." So, he told me to chill out and keep doing what I'm doing. I agree that nolva shouldn't be that big of a deal, I'm sure I could maneuver my way out of it if it comes down to it. So, as for now, I'm still planning on the nolva with 6oxo to be safe. I've got about 1 week left to go on M5AA and so far I'm more than pleased with what I've seen.
01-31-2004, 04:39 AM
Went through all this **** 6-7 years ago.......was accused of taking steroids, the C.O. got NIS involved and they did a piss test for steroids, sent it to the Olympic Testing Lab at UCLA. Came back Positive for Nandralone metabolites. Two things that saved my ass.......first, SAVE all receipts from all the Prohormones you buy, if you ever have to "Prove" you are taking stuff you can show you have bought Legal, Over the counter (OTC) supplements/prohormones, even though some convert to "illegal" metabolites. Second, at the bottom of the Positive report, it stated "This metabolite can also be from the many legal substances containing 19-Nor" (not exact words, but very close). Supersoldier might be able to chime in on this but, every drug (legal and illegal) has a specific frequency that shows up on a Gas-Spectography (spelling) which identifies what it is, they aren't concerned with stuff like nolva, clomid, letro, as those are fairly common drugs and are not loaded in the "tested for" database unless specifically asked to test for, which again comes into play with the money. A Steroid test at the Olympic Drug Lab at UCLA, which is the West Coast Contracted lab for the entire Military, costs thousands of dollars for steroids only, each requested drug increases the cost, not many units want to spend extra money for ancillary drugs that they have no clue about anyway, let alone the standard steroid test cost. If it is negative, they just wasted thousands of dollars of unit funds that they can't get replaced and the Commanding Officer has to explain to someone up the chain (a General Officer), so they will want to be quite sure, whether it be solid probable cause or "proof" before they even request a test for steroids.
I have been through quite a few "random" urinalysis while using clomid, letro and nolva, never a glitch. The random tests are similar to a diabetic doing a test for insulin levels, in the sense that it is a simple, LOW COST method, testing for a specific item(s). They test for the big 5 or 6 illegal things (Cocaine, PCP, LSD, Ecstacy, Crystal Meth/ICE) nothing else will even show up.
01-31-2004, 06:01 PM
Thanks for the info. Damn, I feel a lot better now. I think I tossed the receipts but I'll hang on the bottles just in case that **** happens. Perhaps, if Sldge keeps a receipt database, he could send me an old receipt via email or something. I know it's not his problem or his responsibility but it would definately help. Sldge, if you're reading this, you'd be a lifesaver, and I will definately throw some money down on more of your "creations".
As for today's workout, chest. Just got back about an hour ago. I've been taking it nice and slow on chest lately due to that injury I had a few months back, and I'd go ape**** if I tore it again. Regardless, strength has been consistently going up. Incline bench went up 10lbs from last week, hammer machine up 20lbs, upper and lower cable crossovers up 10lbs + 1 rep, and after the whole workout, I was able to bust out 20 dips. Didn't want to weigh in today because on weekends I use a different gym via different scale. But, the waist is down 1/4" since last week, and looks like the good measurements are starting to climb upward again so kudos to me. I'll post again Tuesday. Good luck to the Super Bowl wagerers out there.
02-01-2004, 12:13 PM
As a officer, I wouldn't say **** to any of my troops. I have worried about it myself at times, but everyone knows I takes supplements and work out like a maniac, and train in martial arts, so nothing has ever been said.
I have been at my base for two years and I only know of one person getting popped. He was a firefighter but he definately didn't hide the fact of what he was doing, so they aren't looking for that stuff, just recreational drugs.
02-03-2004, 03:42 PM
246lbs now but I think I'm lighter than that, felt a little bloated today for some reason. Anywayz, did legs #1 today, up 10lbs on squat and deadlift. Still feel great. But what else is new?
02-06-2004, 01:03 AM
Damn, this week has been too busy to catch up. Anywayz, I'm still holding at 246lbs and strength is going up more than previously. I'm not really sure how to explain it other than leaps and bounds. I'll measure this weekend after a day off and see how things are looking in that department. Almost done with the whole thing and when it's done, I'll post a before and after lifts.
02-06-2004, 06:39 PM
Legs #2 today. Today's workout wasn't too impressive but I think that's mainly because of my sleep schedule the past couple of days. Getting ready for deployment takes a lot of time. Leg presses stayed the same, hack squats up 10lbs, straight leg deadlifts up 10lbs, leg curls up 2 reps. Still holding at 246lbs bodyweight.
02-07-2004, 08:13 PM
Chest was today, went fairly well. Up 10lbs on incline bench, up 20lbs on hammer press, up 10lbs on incline cable crossovers, and 4 more dips than last week. Tommorrow will be measuring day.
02-07-2004, 11:11 PM
Have you noticed anymore striatations or being more cut? Notice increased vascularity? Just trying to get any idea of the overall effect m5aa has on the physical appearance. I'm impressed with the strength gains you have been getting.. seems to be going up every single day, single week. Keep us updated
Also, i noticed your consuming ~3000 cals while on m1t/4ad before the m5aa. Has your diet changed since? What are your goals with this cycle? Thanks man.
Last edited by Vice; 02-07-2004 at 11:15 PM. Reason: duh
02-08-2004, 02:56 PM
Striations, no, not really. If I cut my diet down more, I probably would have but it's still late winter so I'm not too anxious for that. Vascularity has become more obvious, especially in my chest and forearms. My diet did make a few slight adjustments. I raised my protein intake up to about 500-510 grams a day and carbs dropped to no more than 150 a day. Strength has been the only consistent thing going up. I'm measuring later today so I'll see how that goes. Either way, I'm happy with it.
02-09-2004, 11:48 PM
Ok, measurements have been taken and there's nothing worth writing about. They're the exact same as they were before I started anything. But, it's cool because like I've said countless times before, the strength increases are unbelievable and I feel great all the time. Can't compete with that. Not much left in the bottle now, I have about 1 week left.
02-10-2004, 06:08 PM
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