Nope, I have used AAS in the past but never D-bol. I have heard the same comparison. I am hoping not to get to bloated however. But if it happens, oh well. But body comp changes are coming already.
In fact sledge said that it is close to D-bol.
The only thing that concerns me with M1,4ADD, as with M4AD, is the posibility of gyno. I really don't care about bloat, but I hear lots of bad things about methyl-E. Keep us posted on bloating, if any.
I here ya on the possibility of gyno. Hopefully that won't happen. I have nolva on hand if it happens.
The target hormone of M1,4-ADDiol is methylboldenone (methandrostenolone) which is Dianabol.Originally Posted by supersoldier
There you go guys. I was just being to lazy to look it up. I am barely fighting staying awake for one more hour of work.
Well, I can tell you that I've been taking 40mg/day of M4AD for 5 days. No bloating or gyno to speak of.(though I don't know how long this would take to occur with real AAS.) I'm up 2 lbs. Chack out my cycle log if you you're intrested. Sorry Sifu, Diddn't mean to bust into your thread.Originally Posted by supersoldier
It doesn't bother me at all, we are all here to learn off of each others cycles.
Day 4, upped dosing to 35mg ED. Well, actually took 20 this morning, and will take 15 tonight. So far......today at work I felt ****in great man, moodwise that is. DOMS settled down a bit from my back/bi workout on Sat. Feeling pretty full and pumped. I'm def. starting to notice some bloat. Keeping an eye on the pecs, so I'll just let it slide until it gets out of control, if it does.
Tonight will be Legs/deads. I'll post back when finished, god I love having a home gym.
Btw, besides bloat, I have had little reoccuring headaches throughout the last 3 hours or so, will keep an eye on my BP.
(Edit) Update: Deads went up 10lbs. + 1 more rep since last times. Leg aren't all much of a priority to me right now. I have 17.75" calves along with 29" upper quads. They tend to look a bit freakish, so I try not to concentrate on them all that much atm. So what I do basically is mostly maintain with leg presses, and try to go for more endurance each week rather than actual weight. Reps increased to 7 more this time around. Not too shabby, however I kind of expected more of an increase with my deads. Will be taking a two day break, come Thursday I'll be doing chest, sh, tri's.
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Can anyone experienced with dianabol tell us when the mental feeling of well-being kick in? As with strength gains? Might be interesting to compare.
I don't know, but here is my update for the day. I upped it to 30mg today. I am on day 5. have no bloat, but I woke up feeling really swole, and actually looking leaner. Hell I don't know.
My sense of well being is awesome. My strength is through the roof and I can't wait to workout tonight.
I will weigh in on wedensday, when it will have been a week.
I am very pleased with the product so far.
I had a awesome workout, everyone asking me what I am on. Which is funny, because I'm not that big. But anyways the diet is good, the training is great, and the swelling is starting to real come out.
It is going great so far. Oh ya and my sense of well being is really good. Feels like when I did AAS, but that was over 8 years ago.
Originally Posted by sifu
Bump on that. Only other stuff I've done has been M1T, 1T, 4AD, and 1, 4 dione. And I feel moodwise the best of any of 'em. I'm looking forward to the upcoming weeks, only thing I'm concerned about is estro bloat, and the ca$h I'm gonna have to fork over at the end of this cycle for bloodwork. I just found out I lost my health insurance and I'm not too happy about that. Hopefully this cycle will be worth it....
Ya the bloat is kicking in for me.
Yeah bro, as much as I hate to do it, I think I'm going to have to dose some nolva tomorrow night. My nipples are starting to look way too puffy. I give a **** about everything else, but the nips aren't something to mess with. Its pretty weird, earlier today it was fine, now at 1:00 am, they're looking pretty different. Ah well......
It's not really my nips, but I got puffy really bad over just the last couple hours. What are you going to dose the nolva at?
I'll probably wait, but I have a bodyfat test this month with the military, so I don't want to be to bloated.
Hmmm...good question. Dunno, probably around 10 or so? I don't think it would need 20 yet, so I don't wanna go overkill, ya know? Yeah, I'll prob dose 10mg as soon as needed, then access how I'm doing. I'll let you know when and then after I do it.
Ya I am going to wait. Estrogen is good for growth, but like I said I don't want to much water. It is funny at 20mg a day, I had almost none, I went to 30mg today, and bam here comes the bloat.
10 sounds about right for the nolva, but I am not sure.
This is intresting guys. It seems like you guys are experiencing more estrogen sides then I am with M4AD. Don't take offense, Just an observation. I wonder if Bobo is following this. Hmmm.... I'm not saying that M4AD is better,likely the opposite is true. Just that I'm suprised because the naysayers at my thread would have you think that I should be shopping for a bra by now.
I know what you are saying.
Basically it is giving the same effects as Dbol. Which is ok. My strength is going through the roof and I am swelling up, but I am bloating as well. Oh well, not much to do about it, I want to lay off the nolva for now, if it gets out of hand, at least I have it.
Other than that there are no sides, it has been fabulous so far.
Sounds good. Looks like M1,4 gets a thumbs up. No suprise there. The verdict is still out on M4AD IMHO.