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    SUMMARY AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST!!!!

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    Starting Weight: 160 (down from 185 a few months ago )
    Body Fat: 8%
    Deadlift: 405x3
    Bench: 225x8 (don't ask)
    Squat: 315x5

    Goals
    100% Bulk. And to see my "big three" lifts all go up. I don't want to gain fat, either. But this won't be a problem as my diet on cycle is perfect. My last cycle of Epistane ONLY I gained, and kept 8lbs in 4 weeks. If I gain more than that this cycle, or even the same amount, I will be very excited. I have a feeling with the added supplements this will be very possible, and an intense 4 weeks.

    Routine
    I do a very simple yet extremely rewarding power based routine. Three day split, all heavy lifts. Recommended by IronAddict.

    Diet

    Diet will consist of ~4000cals, 40/40/20 P/C/F ratio.

    Experience

    Two cycles superdrol
    One cycle epistane
    And some others

    I know my body very well, and how it reacts. I will be able to tell very nicely how the additions effect me.

    I will be getting blood tests every 3 months.

    My Cycle

    "Anabolics"
    Primordial Performance 1-T & IBE Epistane

    Week 1: 20mg Epistane, 4 Pumps 1-T
    Week 2: 30mg Epistane, 5 Pumps 1-T
    Week 3: 30mg Epistane, 5 pumps 1-T
    Week 4: 40mg Epistane, 5 Pumps 1-T

    "Anabolic Assistants"
    LG Science's Receptor & LG Science's SLIN

    Receptor: I have been taking Receptor for ONE week. I will continue this. I want to have THREE weeks of receptor under my belt BEFORE the cycle kicks off, and have the last week of receptor during my first week of my cycle. I am on TRT right now, I have been for a while now. I don't EVER get acne from it, and after a week of Receptor I have acne on my chest and sex drive is up. Both of these are good. It reminds me of the first week i started to go on TRT. I think this will be a very good supplement for my situation

    SLIN: I will take 2 capsules before my three biggest meals, everyday. I have never taken any type of insulin mimicking/sensitizing/manipulating supplement before, and I am very excited to see the effects.

    "Support Supplements"
    Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support

    PCT
    Still am unsure on this. Will be using AI Post Cycle Support for my general health, and am looking into Primordial Performance PCT stack. I know a guy personally who ran it and loved it.

    Cycle kicks off in 1 Week from Monday. I want to get a full three weeks of Receptor in my system before I start.

    Feel free to ask questions, or give comments.

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    Summary of 1-T Cycle:

    Beginning weight: 160 even

    Ending weight: 170 even

    Beginning lifts:

    Deadlift: 405x3
    Bench: 225x8 (don't ask)
    Squat: 315x5

    Ending Lifts:

    Deadlift: 405x8
    Bench: 225x12
    Squat: 315x8

    I used the same weights to test how many more reps I could do. I thought this was the fairest test.

    Body Fat:

    Remained the same. I was bulking

    Cycle Ran:

    Week 1-4: 5 Pumps of 1-T Every Morning
    Week 1-2: 10mg Epistane
    Week 3-4: 20mg Epistane
    Week 1-4: AI Cycle Support

    Comments on Cycle:

    Gains definitely come the last week the most. I gained ~7 lbs in the first three weeks, and 3lbs in just the last week. The transdermal formula is really nice, like lotion. Very professional.

    I think one bottle is good for 10lbs in about 4 weeks if you are very good with diet and everything, but I think if you got 2 bottles and ran it like this, 15lbs in 6 weeks is very obtainable:

    Week 1-6: 7 pumps 1-T Daily

    This would require 2 bottles.

    I think the best PCT for this would be:

    Sustain Alpha + AI Post Cycle Support.


    Other ways 1-T can be used:


    At the beginning of a cycle of anabolics, instead of an oral steroid. Much safe on the liver. Example:

    Week 1-4: 5 pumps 1-T Daily
    Week 1-10: 500mg Test E/week

    To those of you who jump on the 1-T train, Enjoy.

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    Also, I will be getting bloodwork done after the cycle. I can get it anytime I want, since I am on TRT. This will give a good example of how fast my lipids recover.
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    Subscribed, my friend!
    I am planning a run with Episatne, followed by PRIME in my PCT (not as my PCT, though).
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    blood work. count me in!!! good luck
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    Yes detailed bloodwork. I get it done every 3 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Also, I will be getting bloodwork done after the cycle. I can get it anytime I want, since I am on TRT. This will give a good example of how fast my lipids recover.
    Did you ever get shutdown with Epistane? Or feel shutdown?
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    Starting on monday, unless the holidays push my supplies coming in back a few days.
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    Should be interesting. Enjoy. Epi is a really nice compound.
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    I am ready to see some results from 1-T, its calling my name like crazy in the cabinet......Like Edgar Allen Poe's the Tell-Tale Heart!
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    Crossing my fingers that my 1-T is here on monday. The rest is ready to go.
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    I may have missed it, but have you figured out your pct yet?
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    X2 on PCT

    Also, Pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I may have missed it, but have you figured out your pct yet?
    I have not decided for sure. I have many things on hand, but I am still deciding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    X2 on PCT

    Also, Pics?
    I'll post some pics the day the cycle starts (should be today or tomorrow). I am already eating/training etc as if I am on cycle. I just am awaiting the 1-T.
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    Low dose Torem, CEL's new PCT aid (I3C is included), and a Cort. contoller (X-Lean if we can get it back out soon ehough), would be a nice smooth Post Cycle, IMO.

    I'm looking forward to your run, as well as my own.
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    I am looking into PP's PCT stack, and also have AI PCS on hand to keep me healthy during PCT.
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    Thanks man, should be starting this soon, as soon as the 1-T arrives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Thanks man, should be starting this soon, as soon as the 1-T arrives.
    Damn that must be coming by pony express. Are you sure they havent already tried to deliver and left a door tag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knowbull View Post
    Damn that must be coming by pony express. Are you sure they havent already tried to deliver and left a door tag?
    Lol no, it was just sent out yesterday actually, slight mix up, but eric got it all straightened out.
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    Day 1:

    5 pumps 1-T
    10mg Epistane
    2 Caps Slin before 3 major meals

    Comments:

    Can already feel the effects of LG SLIN after one dose. Good stuff. I am pretty sensitive. 1-T goes on VERY nicely. The bottle is awesome, the consistancy is awesome. Very excited.

    Weight: 161 (pretty much the lowest I have been in 3 years)
    BF: 11% (wont check this again till last day)

    I weigh myself upon waking up, no clothes, no food, and an empty bladder.

    Workout Today:

    Bench: 185x10, 195x8, 205x4
    Incline Dumbells: 75x12, 80x8, 80x8
    Military Press (No where near my max, bad shoulders): 135x10, 135x10
    Overhead Tricept Extensions: 70lb db x 10, 70lb db x 10.

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    Not sure how soon this stuff kicks in, but I felt good in the gym. I think I'll give it a full week before I assume it is at full throttle.
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    May keep epistane at 10-20mg. After seein Johnny's gains on 1-T alone...no need to increase toxicity of the cycle. Adding an oral isnt going to make me gain 25lbs instead of 15. I will keep you posted, and take it day by day.
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    Looking good!
    Hey, have you received you monthly package yet?
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    I want to further explain that I am not a normal 160lbs. I haven't weighed this little since before I ever started lifting seriously. I had some extreme problems with my bodies natural hormones that put me down to that weight. Everything is good to go now, though.
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    Day 2 is an off day for me. Been eating a ton. 5 Pumps 1-t In the AM. My skin is silky smooth LOL. Screw Lubriderm, im just gonna use 1-T.

    10mg Epistane in the AM.

    2 Caps LG SLIN before 3 biggest meals. (2 caps has still been fine for me, still very sensitive. This is the first of these types of products I have used.)
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    I am also still taking the Cycle Support since I am taking epistane.
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    Ok sounds good, do you plan to incorporate Sustain into this cycle at all?
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    Yes I may use it in PCT
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    Day 3:

    Felt awesome. Legs and deadlifts today. All numbers up from last week. Up 0.5lbs from yesterday.

    5 pumps 1-T, 10mg Epistane, LG SLIN with Meals.

    Skin feels great too LOL.
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