Bump that, I was looking for it in bulk and it is finally here. Thanks a lot.Great friggin job with this Matt, alot of people are going to be very happy
Well damn, you announce this right after my order shipped :blink: . I just can't win.Also, I am slowly but surely phasing out the plastic bags. The cissus is the first product to be packaged in screw top jars. I am a freakin professional or what?
I'll just dump it in my protein shake with everything else...Giggity-giggity goo! Now I gotta pay someone to cap it for me.. :nutkick:
can you vaccum seal it or send in a sealed bag upon request? that would be very helpfull for both of us$No...just a regular 8 ounce jar with a self-sealing lid.
You cannot vaccume seal a powder.I dont have a vacuum sealer...yet. I'll see if I can find a kitchen one that is not too expensive.
CNW is fast becoming the bane of recovering supplement whores. I wonder how cissus and some of these other herbs would taste in a salad dressing, or on baked chicken breasts.damn...im always trying to take LESS supplements and then Matt goes ahead and gets new fun goodies that are just too inexpensive to try out.
huh?I'm quite disappointed with everyone's response to this.
If it wasn't for Ford bringing out the car none of us would have a car today.If it wasn't for USP labs bring this out and introducing you all to it, would you have heard about it?
Engines and mobility units grandually evolved over time. It wasn't like a brand new invention that someone produced a machine to take you from A to B.If it wasn't for Ford bringing out the car none of us would have a car today.
I agree with what you're saying but the majority of people want a finish product and not to cap thing themselves. The bulk powder market really only serves a small percentage of the industry.
I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying but where was this thinking of DS when sledge-test as being sold? What about m-1-t, mdien and mohn?Engines and mobility units grandually evolved over time. It wasn't like a brand new invention that someone produced a machine to take you from A to B.
I just don't find it particularly refreshing to see someone gaining from the efforts of others in such a way. In the plant, insect and animal kingdom, they're called parasites.
To be honest, most of the stuff sold on there doesn't bother me. Its just the recent spate of additions of compounds that some companies spent months to years researching. Matt doesn't even know what some of the stuff he sells actually does.
I'm not bitter as such, nor am i going to lose sleep over it, but just bear in mind that this industry has a distinct lack of innovation these days for several reasons, including blatant rip-offs. Avant Labs for one, is a company that has almost given up entirely on researching new innovative products because of this.
And yet in the future, most will complain about companies not fully divulging product components. Interesting, that.
You didn't. I did.Where did i mention DS?
While i'm not interested in an arguement, i will address this.You didn't. I did.
You can't come here claiming lack of innovation in the industry when DS has been in the same boat at times in the history of the company.
Oh no no no.. .those were the days... when you could go to sledges old website, and order up the M1T, Mdien, and M4OHN powders.. all in the little folded brown paper.While i'm not interested in an arguement, i will address this.
Mentioned earlier - the XCEED product is nothing particularly novel other than the given amounts. That said, there was no intention to release a CEE product until Matt was asked by someone on AM to, and several people agreed. We debated actually having it released under the Designer Stackables line.
WRT prohormones and such, while it was before my time, DS never released an M1T product that i am aware of. I dunno about m-dien, but i think DS may have been the first to release M4OHN.
Didn't realise about the M1T, but i've been told MDien was one of the DS originals.WRT prohormones and such, while it was before my time, DS never released an M1T product that i am aware of. I dunno about m-dien, but i think DS may have been the first to release M4OHN.
First to be put out to the masses yes. But like all of the designers today, was made and researched before... just never made it to the public eye. I still have a couple bottles of MDien laying around from DS... Stacked with the other DS "Originals" M4OHN... Killer combo for a cut.Didn't realise about the M1T, but i've been told MDien was one of the DS originals.
This is really the only point.I don't know how you can call Cissus an innovative product. I saw it sold in bulk before USP Labs sold it. He just marketed it to the bodybuilding community.
As a consumer, I go no problems with transparancyParasite was a bit of a cheap shot. I'll apologize on Rob's behalf. The rest of the points about customer support of innovation are all valid, but have been beaten to death on various boards. And frankly, its not support of the bulk suppliers that hurts innovation and the sales of finished product (as many have alluded to). Its the market support of the knock-offs and knock-off companies that do.
But, end-users who support knock offs and even bulk suppliers, ought not complain about proprietary blends and fancy-footwork when it comes to labeling, and so on. Personally, I believe in transparency in this day and age, but it is increasingly becoming bad business to be transparent.
Also, there never was any relation with Black Star Labs and Avant Labs. BSL was a spin off of Xtreme Formulations.
Then you shouldn't support things that discourage it.As a consumer, I go no problems with transparancy
Oops--I didn't know that, sorry. I guess I got that confused.Also, there never was any relation with Black Star Labs and Avant Labs. BSL was a spin off of Xtreme Formulations.
Who says I do?Then you shouldn't support things that discourage it.
I think it comes more down to lack of education. Most people who buy a knock off don't know they're buying a knock off. Someone who buys a GXR clone for example, one with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in and sub optimal doses all around, is just making a bad choice overall. While the overall effect is companies who innovate get the **** end of the stick to one degree or another, I really don't think it's a conscious effort to screw them on the part of the consumers. The companies that make the knock offs on the other hand are out to screw innovative companies by piggy backing on the efforts of others. But aside from patents there doesn't seem to be any way to fight this, other than just not saying what's in a particular product.Parasite was a bit of a cheap shot. I'll apologize on Rob's behalf. The rest of the points about customer support of innovation are all valid, but have been beaten to death on various boards. And frankly, its not support of the bulk suppliers that hurts innovation and the sales of finished product (as many have alluded to). Its the market support of the knock-offs and knock-off companies that do.
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