Originally Posted by searl12

Weird I just found it to be a nasty compound, I was real angry and aggressiven Plus my cardio went to hell.

The real trenbolone is known to do that and it s not advised for runners because of cardio issues (difficulty of breathing), shin splits...

Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs

Week 3 is the period where most people start to see really good gains from the P-Mag. As for stacking X-Tren with it, there have been some really good reports of stacks like that. How long do you plan on staying on the P-Mag for and how long do you plan on doing the X-Tren for?

Damnit i ve another zits coming on my shin..

It would have been 4 weeks cycle so i may go to 6 weeks with X-tren or 1 androsterone

p-mag 75/75/75/75
X-tren 00/00/00/90/90/120

week7 pct assist + lean Fx + Activate Xtreme + maybe formestane instead of nolva... (i would rather use formestane after X-tren) followed by hyperdrolX2

Around two months pct.... i like the idea to do long pct with good Testo boosters and NHA.

Thx again man, its just part of growing up, years ago Id of fought every comment to the death, lol.

Your a lucky man to be part of CEL, anyone who knows anything knows they are good to go.

i also heard you guys were working on some natural products, somewhat of an all natural line. Would totally be interested in this if you have any updates. As for the tren I think its only wise to just let that bloodwork get a tad better before diving in, but I will for sure in the future.

PS a few years ago Id of never come off no matter what the bloodwork was....growing up sucks lol

JK

Cheers

Originally Posted by masterX

Damnit i ve another zits coming on my shin..

It would have been 4 weeks cycle so i may go to 6 weeks with X-tren or 1 androsterone

p-mag 75/75/75/75
X-tren 00/00/00/90/90/120

week7 pct assist + lean Fx + Activate Xtreme + maybe formestane instead of nolva... (i would rather use formestane after X-tren) followed by hyperdrolX2

Around two months pct.... i like the idea to do long pct with good Testo boosters and NHA.

physique looks solid master, keep it up man!

eat big be big.

Originally Posted by searl12

Thx again man, its just part of growing up, years ago Id of fought every comment to the death, lol.

Your a lucky man to be part of CEL, anyone who knows anything knows they are good to go.

i also heard you guys were working on some natural products, somewhat of an all natural line. Would totally be interested in this if you have any updates. As for the tren I think its only wise to just let that bloodwork get a tad better before diving in, but I will for sure in the future.

PS a few years ago Id of never come off no matter what the bloodwork was....growing up sucks lol

JK

Cheers

Yes, we are going to be coming out with a full line up of non-hormonal items in the very near future.

Definately agree on waiting until your bloodwork is normal for awhile before doing any ph again.

Growing up has its up and downs lol

If I am correct, you did not experience lethargy until the 150 mg dose, correct? Or was it at 120 mg?

There was no lethargy at the 90 mg point, correct?[/QUOTE]

no lethargy until week 5 at 150mg, i was also working 12 hour shifts at work and am sure that played a role. my experience with xtren has been very positive, but 90mg is plenty and i would not go above 120mg. sides were almost non-existent at 90 and 120mg and i decided to up it, probably would not do that again. at 90 and 120mg i felt great with very mild sides.

I am thinking about doing a 5 or 6 week h drol and x-tren recomp cycle soon.

I had a great experience with a Havoc cycle a while ago using PCT Assist, torem, and a cortisol controller for my pct. Would this be appropriate for an h drol and x-tren cycle? Is torem still the serm of choice and would I need an AI of some sort?

Originally Posted by clewfirst

I am thinking about doing a 5 or 6 week h drol and x-tren recomp cycle soon.

I had a great experience with a Havoc cycle a while ago using PCT Assist, torem, and a cortisol controller for my pct. Would this be appropriate for an h drol and x-tren cycle? Is torem still the serm of choice and would I need an AI of some sort?

H-Drol and X-Tren seems to be becoming a very popular stack, with some people adding in our topical Formestane along the way.

I have no experience with torem, so I wont speak on it.

I will probably run the above cycle myself with the topical formestane. For me, the H-Drol would be 6 weeks at 50, 75,75,75,75,75; the X-Tren would be 5 of the 6 weeks starting week 1 and going through week 5, and be 60, 60, 90, 90, 90. Topical Formestane would start first day of week 3 and overlap two weeks into PCT.

I would start using Cycle Assist one week prior to the cycle and run it throughout. My PCT will be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist by SNS along with PCT Assist and Suppress-C by us; also the topical formestane will overlap 2 weeks into PCT.

Would X-tren work as a pulse to minimize or reduce the shutdown it its know for? Was about to order and wondering if pulsing since I loved the Epistane pulse I ran last year.

Originally Posted by luclyluciano

Would X-tren work as a pulse to minimize or reduce the shutdown it its know for? Was about to order and wondering if pulsing since I loved the Epistane pulse I ran last year.

You may get differing opinions on that; I have never ran a pulse cycle of anything myself, so I cant really offer much insight.

Originally Posted by luclyluciano

Would X-tren work as a pulse to minimize or reduce the shutdown it its know for? Was about to order and wondering if pulsing since I loved the Epistane pulse I ran last year.

From what I gather most are against pulsing this prohormone. Just run it everyday and dont go over 90mg a day. To me the whole idea of pulsing is silly because your just in denial that you arent messing yourself up. If your gonna run a cycle just runa proper cycle with support supps and leave the pulsing.

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PS though, the dienelone precursors are vicious for shutdown.

hey lucky, run the xtren with td formestane. shutdown will be much reduced, at least it was in my case, and i went up to 150mg.

Just wanted to chime in for some advice and feedback: Was thinking about pulsing x tren with IBE's epi (or RPN's havoc) what are the thoughts out there?? Should I do a straight cycle or pulse is fine. Been taking liverfix for about 2 weeks and started taking Cycle Assist about 3 to four days now. What recommendations for running this stack? Need to try and keep the libido up for the wife until she gives birth in about a month (then none for about a month till she heals.....OMG!!!) Feedback CEL reps and anyone else?

Originally Posted by W8TS4ME

Just wanted to chime in for some advice and feedback: Was thinking about pulsing x tren with IBE's epi (or RPN's havoc) what are the thoughts out there?? Should I do a straight cycle or pulse is fine. Been taking liverfix for about 2 weeks and started taking Cycle Assist about 3 to four days now. What recommendations for running this stack? Need to try and keep the libido up for the wife until she gives birth in about a month (then none for about a month till she heals.....OMG!!!) Feedback CEL reps and anyone else?

did you read 2 posts prior to yours? theres your answer right there!

a very dry stack in my opinion, and I really dont see the point in pulsing the epi, and especually pulsing the Tren? anytime Ive heard this people have recommended not to, why wouldnt you want to keep blood plasma level steady with consistent doses? in my opinion pulsing will lead to hormonal fluctuations that can cause mood swings.

do what you feel you need to do, maybe pulse the epi and run the dienelone precursor as directed.

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sht I didnt realize I was the one who posted the post 2 above, oops, whatever the answer still remains the same.

lol... you didn't read that post either.... and it was yours!

Originally Posted by Delta Force

lol... you didn't read that post either.... and it was yours!

ya I definitely blew that one, it never ends for me

too muchin highschool

I thought you put it best right there!

Originally Posted by searl12

From what I gather most are against pulsing this prohormone. Just run it everyday and dont go over 90mg a day. To me the whole idea of pulsing is silly because your just in denial that you arent messing yourself up. If your gonna run a cycle just runa proper cycle with support supps and leave the pulsing.

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PS though, the dienelone precursors are vicious for shutdown.

in fact I should write that down on my wall so next time some one asks should I pulse this or that? thats a very simple and true answer!

ya I dont thin id pulse in a million years unless maybe it was superdrol or M1T, then again after my first and last M1t cycle ill never run either again.....these 2 steroids are evil....tren not being too far behind.

yeah but if you did pulse you'd be in denial that you aren't messing yourself up! in your own words!

I tried pulsing once and its not worth the wait to get the full effect, if you're going to run such compound do your research before and and run a strait cycle with proper PCT! my 2 cents

couldnt agree more, I kind of contradicted myself there, like stated with the half lifes of these orals the levels in your system while pulsing would be all over the map, im pssy enough as it is.

i think we're beaten this question to death tonight.... I hope W8TS4ME gets the point!

hahaha, ya I dont know what else to do tonight, i got the play money poker going on fulltilt poker and some tv, but other than that I got nothing.

Fair enough.......I ran a pulse after reading the thread on pulsing and both of you are correct......The time spent to get the ph to kick in on a pulse was longer and by that time it was time to get off the pulse. Ran pulse for 5 weeks just to test out. How would you guys recommend for a dosing protocol for the epi/tren cycle??

honestly you might want to just try one or the other, maybe play with the dosages a bit, forget what your past PH/DS history was, this is not an easy run by any means, ive abandoned 2 myself cause my shoulders have never been so sore in my life.

In my opinion the tren pHs are stronger than the epithios, sides/gains/shutdown (especially shutdown) and the tren kills cardio and BP.

Just run one, you can gage the sides a bit better that way

this is how I'd do it, but others please chime in...

tren 90/90/90/90
epi 20/30/40/40

I'm planning to run the same myself... got all supps lined up.. just waiting for my arm to heal

what did you do to your arm dude?

as long as all supports are there I think you should be fine dormant, I actually prefer tren with h drol, maaan that was the biggest hardest and strongest ive ever been.

I've got tendinitis on my right forearm and its not going away... when i workout arms it comes right back... i'm hopping it will take a hike so i can run a good cycle before the summer ends!