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  1. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    bahahaa someone just sent this to me via e-mail

    if you guys ever wondered what some of these so-called self-professed "experts" of supplement understanding on these forums look like irl, check this one out...



    well, he knows how to read the label (kind of anyway)
    pay special attention to ~2:15 in, where he gives up on pronounciation because there are a lot of "big words"
    now I know why he didn't read our promo in depth however, and simply latched on to some bastardized form of his own understanding...

    welcome to your guru who critiques all other products on market, except for the company he reps for
    ingenious
    If I was to post a log of sns products, or reviews on them, there is a conflict of intrest here. no matter how much I like a sns product, I'm still a rep for them, and that takes some of the merit away from that.

    man, you guys are so classy, whats up with this? I cant help but laugh, really? what does anything I do have to do with the ingredients in question or the product?

    why cant you just discuss the ingredients in the product? I don't care that you post my videos. go for it. thanks.
    but come on, at least answer the question.

    I am no guru, nor have I ever said, or implied such.

    now, dan duchaine, he was a steroid guru, and author of "underground steroid handbook", but im sure (according to your standards) he doesn't know anything about what he's saying. just look at him?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    bahahaa someone just sent this to me via e-mail

    if you guys ever wondered what some of these so-called self-professed "experts" of supplement understanding on these forums look like irl, check this one out...

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP27EixXiXM&feature=yo utu.be">YouTube Link</a>

    well, he knows how to read the label (kind of anyway)
    pay special attention to ~2:15 in, where he gives up on pronounciation because there are a lot of "big words"
    now I know why he didn't read our promo in depth however, and simply latched on to some bastardized form of his own understanding...

    welcome to your guru who critiques all other products on market, except for the company he reps for
    ingenious
    I can see why enhanced was taken off the market!
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  3. here's what I got from the article, which I read entirely, I'll post the points I posted earlier, as it seems during the personal attacks on me, they got lost.

    new dshea compliant aromatase inhibitor that lowers circulating androgens, and invitro studies on the compound (these are done in a petree dish)
    new m something acid that has been shown to be significantly anabolic in fish (trout specifically) and in vivo studies (test done on actual subjects)

    new m something acid also has greater oral bioavailability than ursolic acid.

    what did I miss (if you could be mature an point it out instead of acting all childish)

  4. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    why cant you just discuss the ingredients in the product?
    we have
    it is not my fault that you don't read it, or understand it for that matter
    you come in here barking offensively and denigrating something you don't understand, why is it my job to console you and attempt to go above & beyond, to attempt to give you education you are sorely in need of?
    I think you have a very warped sense of reality, sir

    we are all about education here at FINAFLEX..
    unfortunately, not everyone who says they are here simply for education, can be taken at face value
    it is sad, yes

    but to reiterate, and attempt once more to help you grasp things:
    jbry, do you even understand the concept of an aromatase inhibition?

    more info -- from third party source at that, nothing to do with any body or division of FINAFLEX company:

    Story of Brassaiopsis glomerulata



    Brassaiopsisglomerulatais a member of the Araliaceae that occurs in south and southeast Asia. B. glomerulata is a large shrub or small tree with thorns on the stems, palmate leaves with 5–7 leaflets. [1]

    This species has several reported traditional medicinal uses. [2] In Vietnam, the plant is used to treat rheumatism and back pain. In India, a group of indigenous tribes called the Nagas drank a juice extract of Brassaiopsis glomerulata bark to aid in digestion and to alleviate constipation. The Nagas also used a paste of the bark of Brassaiopsis glomerulata to treat bone fractures and sprains. This species is also used medicinally in China as one of several kinds of “tongcao”, which means unblocking herbs used to promote urination and assist in lactation. Owing to its use as a “tongcao”, Brassaiopsis glomerulata was then tested usingin vivo anti-inflammatory, antipyretic, and diuretic models.

    The past history of medicinal use by human populations of Brassaiopsis glomerulata may be indicative of being safe when consumed. With the development of modern science, the strong aromatase inhibition of Brassaiopsis glomerulata extract was discovered by both enzyme- and cell-based assays, coupled with the possibility of a favorable safety profile, which both point to the potential for use of Brassaiopsis glomerulata for the hormone modulation.

    Extractof Brassaiopsis glomerulata

    Interested by the traditional use and novel discovery of Brassaiopsis glomerulata, several researchers investigate the components of it. Its compositions are mainly: [3]
    • Acankoreoside A
    • 3α-hydroxy-lup-20(29)-en-23,28-dioic acid
    • 3α,11α-dihydroxy-23-oxo-lup-20(29)-en-28-oic acid
    • Stigmasterol, 6β-hydroxystimasta-4-en-3-one, 7β-hydroxy-4,22-stigmastadien-3-one
    • N-benzoyl-L-phenylalaninyl-N-benzoyl-L-phenylalaninate, N-acetyl-L-phenylalaninyl-N-benzoyl-L-phenylalaninate, and N-benzoyl-L-phenylalanine methyl ester
    • Spinasterone and spinasterol
    • Oleanolic acid
    • (−)-dihydroactinidiolide
    • (−)-dehydrololiolide
    • 4-hydroxybenzaldehyde
    • Linoleic acid (fatty acid)

    Because little was known about the components of Brassaiopsis glomerulata, American researchers subjected it to examination [2]. They discovered that extracts of Brassaiopsis glomerulata leaves have an anti-oestrogenic effect. They isolated the ingredients in the extract and determined the anti-oestrogenic effect of each one. The researchers looked at whether the compounds could inhibit the aromatase that converting androstenedione into female hormones in test tubes trials, and whether they inhibited the conversion in live human cells. The researchers tested the plant ingredients at a concentration of 20ug/ml and meanwhile researchers compared their anti-oestrogenic effect with standard aromatase inhibitors: cytadren (AG) and letrozole (LET).

    As the right figure show, the researchers isolated 13 compounds. Among them:



    showed the most significant aromatase inhibition properties. (−)-dehydrololiolide was found to be as effective as Letrozole, which is approved by FDA as non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor.



    Aromatase Inhibition: a Favorable Property for Anabolism

    As mentioned above, the attractive effect of Brassaiopsis glomerulata extract is due to its aromatase inhibition property. Aromatase is the enzyme responsible for catalyzing the last steps of biosynthesis of estrogens (estrone and estradiol) from androgens (androstenedione and testosterone). Inhibition of aromatase has been shown to reduce estrogen production throughout the body to nearly undetectable levels. [4]

    Bodybuilders that take anabolic ingredients often use aromatase inhibitors in order to minimize or avoid estrogenic effects. Aromatase inhibitors can prevent elevated levels of testosterone from being converted to excess estrogen and have also been shown to reverse age-related decline in testosterone.

    Reference

    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassaiopsis_glomerulata

    2. Marcy J. Balunasa,b,d, Bin Sub, et. al. Isolation and Characterization of Aromatase Inhibitors from Brassaiopsis glomerulata (Araliaceae). Phytochem Lett. 2009 February 19; 2(1): 29–33.

    3. http://examine.com/supplements/Brass...s+glomerulata/

    4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase
    hope this helps

    as for any mention of you being with SNS -- oh I do not criticize the company in any way shape or form
    me personally, I can wonder all I want about why they would have someone such as yourself as a rep
    bottom line tho: it is not my business
    what I do find amusing is that you spend such extraordinary amount of time in other company logs/threads/promos, with constant critiques and sideways remarks -- unless, it's someone you are "cool with", or a company that has some affiliation or working agreement with SNS (ie, PES)

    in any event, best to you on (hopefully) your continued evolution of perspective on reality

  5. it doesn't address the statement of the compound lowering circulating androgens.

    aromatase inhibition and decreasing androgens are two different subjects.
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  6. @jbryand101b

    The only reason I addressed the fact that you rep for SNS is because the first thing you posted on here was "lame". Although I get that it was an attempt at sarcasm, you continued to "troll", as you would have it and my statement regarding your position, and not your company, was in response to your coming into this thread with a poor attitude, initially. I did not attack SNS, nor will I. That is not in my nature.

    I addressed the emboldened portion of your text/quote and told you what the intent of the statement was. I'm not sure what further questions, regarding that small excerpt, there could be to answer. It was stated earlier in the writeup how it's been shown to demonstrate its potential as an aromatase inhibitor (AI). What is the purpose and mechanism of an AI? Doesn't it inhibit the enzyme "aromatase" thereby lowering the amount of circulating androgens that may be aromatized from T to E? So maybe the wording seems a little confusing initially?

    You've plainly stated that you are not normally a consumer (in the sense that you are using the word) and that most of your products are free. If this is really a consumer question and not just a futile attempt at poking holes in a writeup, then I can respect that for all that it is worth.

    Again, this is not a rep war, nor do I intend it to be.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    it doesn't address the statement of the compound lowering circulating androgens.

    aromatase inhibition and decreasing androgens are two different subjects.
    If you embolden the words following what you continue to embolden, you'll see that it says "that can convert..."
    This is the role of an AI. It's not "lowering the number of circulating androgens", it is, in fact, lowering the number of circulating androgens THAT CAN CONVERT.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    If you embolden the words following what you continue to embolden, you'll see that it says "that can convert..."
    This is the role of an AI. It's not "lowering the number of circulating androgens", it is, in fact, lowering the number of circulating androgens THAT CAN CONVERT.
    so I could be misunderstanding, as to me it sounds like it is lowering circulating aromatizable androgens, (these are androstenedione, and testosterone) that can convert into estrogen. (because if you lower the number of aromatizable androgens, you would over all lower the amount of androgens that can convert into testosterone (aka androstenedion/andro-diol) an thereby lower total testosterone production. (unless it also increased production of andro-diol)

    but are you meaning to say it doesn't have any effect on circulating androstenedione/testosterone, and instead lowers the number of circulating aromatase, as that is the role of an aromatase inhibitor, to inhibit aromatase, not lower aromatizable circulating androgens?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    @jbryand101b

    The only reason I addressed the fact that you rep for SNS is because the first thing you posted on here was "lame". Although I get that it was an attempt at sarcasm, you continued to "troll", as you would have it and my statement regarding your position, and not your company, was in response to your coming into this thread with a poor attitude, initially. I did not attack SNS, nor will I. That is not in my nature.

    I addressed the emboldened portion of your text/quote and told you what the intent of the statement was. I'm not sure what further questions, regarding that small excerpt, there could be to answer. It was stated earlier in the writeup how it's been shown to demonstrate its potential as an aromatase inhibitor (AI). What is the purpose and mechanism of an AI? Doesn't it inhibit the enzyme "aromatase" thereby lowering the amount of circulating androgens that may be aromatized from T to E? So maybe the wording seems a little confusing initially?

    You've plainly stated that you are not normally a consumer (in the sense that you are using the word) and that most of your products are free. If this is really a consumer question and not just a futile attempt at poking holes in a writeup, then I can respect that for all that it is worth.

    Again, this is not a rep war, nor do I intend it to be.
    an aromatase inhibitor does not have any lowering effect on circulating androgens, it would be the opposite, aromatase will lower the amount of circulating aromatizable androgens.

    so it seems it is just a simple miswording, which is what I knew all along, but can admit I went about addressing it in all the wrong way.

    you cant increase circulating testosterone by lowering androgens, unless it was able to lower androstenedione, and instead increase androstenediol (which is incapable of aromatization)

    the ai properties of the new compound would increase circulating androgens by lowering the amound of circulating aromatase. <-- I think this is what it was supposed to say.

  10. How many mgs of brassaiopsis glomerulata in Mass 550?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    so I could be misunderstanding, as to me it sounds like it is lowering circulating aromatizable androgens, (these are androstenedione, and testosterone) that can convert into estrogen. but are you meaning to say it doesn't have any effect on circulating androstenedione/testosterone, and instead lowers the number of circulating aromatase, as that is the role of an aromatase inhibitor, to inhibit aromatase, not lower aromatizable circulating androgens?
    Although the wording in the research citation and the company representation of the findings differ slightly, they allude to the same conclusion. It seems somewhat confusing, and I see where you are coming from with the company representation of the findings not specifically addressing "aromatase". However, after reading both, my conclusion is that it is an AI, and that it's not "lowering the number of circulating androgens", but "lowering the number of circulating androgens that can convert" by way of aromatase inhibition. The number, or amount of circulating aromatase is unchanged (if my memory serves me correct), but it is inhibited, or "kept busy".

  12. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Although the wording in the research citation and the company representation of the findings differ slightly, they allude to the same conclusion. It seems somewhat confusing, and I see where you are coming from with the company representation of the findings not specifically addressing "aromatase". However, after reason both, my conclusion is that it is an AI, and that it's not "lowering the number of circulating androgens", but "lowering the number of circulating androgens that can convert" by way of aromatase inhibition. The number, or amount of circulating aromatase is unchanged (if my memory serves me correct), but it is inhibited, or "kept busy".
    okay, I got what you're saying. it's easier for me to think of it as lowering the amount of active free aromatase, and in doing so, increases the amount of circulating androgens.

    the fact of it being an aromatase inhibitor wasn't imo ever questioned.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    How many mgs of brassaiopsis glomerulata in Mass 550?
    coming soon!
    we will just discuss the specific components at this time
    label will be released when we get closer to launch

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    an aromatase inhibitor does not have any lowering effect on circulating androgens, it would be the opposite, aromatase will lower the amount of circulating aromatizable androgens.
    Correct. As I stated in my previous post, it is not lowering the number of circulating androgens at all. It is lowering the amount than CAN CONVERT by inhibiting aromatase.

    If we assign a number value to each it will be easier to see how each wording arrangement is sensible.

    Aromatase=10
    Androgens=100

    If for every 1 aromatase enzyme you lose through conversion 1 androgen to E you would have 90 androgens remaining.

    If you inhibit aromatase, you now have 100 free circulating androgens that cannot convert. By inhibiting the aromatase enzyme you have lowered the number of circulating androgens that can convert (a number value of 10, in this case), or you have maximized the number of free circulating androgens that will not convert. Make sense?

  15. Sounds yummy. I volunteer as tribute.
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/226478-country-gets-huge.html#post3905023

  16. Malsinic acid...pretty cool if it absorbs better. I'm a UR spray fan for recomping. Nice to get that affect orally without 37 pills.
    Training Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/271254-what-aw-hell.html
    "Jackie Treehorn treats objects like woman man."

  17. Very interested!
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    CONTROLLED LABS products are produced in a GMP for Sport certified facility.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    Very interested!
    Hey bud congrats!!

    More details to come fellas. Very exciting times
    Independent

  19. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    That portion of the writeup was intended to show how the compound has the ability to act as an aromatase inhibitor, not how it can "boost test" by "lowering test". You're trying to read between the lines.

    Years ago, when I joined this forum, I thought there was some merit to your posts. After maturing a bit, and gaining my own fair share of knowledge, I realize that you are just a misguided trainer who sells medicine ball push-ups to old ladies and wishes halodrol was sold in vending machines.

    I'm not sure who all reps for SNS, but I'll tell you that if it weren't for NomZ and aaronuconn, you and rhadam could run that fine company into the ground with your half-ass logs and horrible attitudes.

    While you're going through your "to-do" list and checking the blocks on companies you can try to throw under the bus, make sure to thank HV and PA for all the knowledge you've leeched from the droppings of their coat tails in lieu of doing your own research.

    Although you seemed like an alright guy to me, now you just come across as an arrogant prick with no better agenda than one that tries to blow out other candles so yours will burn seemingly brighter. Are you so unhappy with your own current situation that you must try to highlight the perceived faults of others to make your smile wider?

    Thanks for your input though, it's greatly appreciated.

    Boom.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Hey bud congrats!!
    this x2

  21. Well that got hairy.

    On the subject of the ingredients & effects it will produce on humans: once this product hits the shelves, there'll be some guys munching these within the first wk. And within a month or two we'll all have a pretty good idea of what to expect, regardless of what the literature points toward (for better or worse).

    Put that baby in a shiny colored cap for me & I'll give it a go - nothing from Fina has killed me yet, & I usually seem to come out looking better after
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Well that got hairy.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    so it seems it is just a simple miswording, which is what I knew all along, but can admit I went about addressing it in all the wrong way.
    Respect for admitting when wrong.

  24. Iparatroop
    This post is way over my head even for a physical therapy doctoral student!
    Glad to see you haven't changed a bit!
    Best of luck with the new product!

  25. Now THAT'S hairy!
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  26. Interesting. Don't want to take that supplement

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    aromatase will lower the amount of circulating aromatizable androgens..
    Hey look you finally put together a 2 piece puzzle.

    Quote Originally Posted by 80PTHooker View Post
    Iparatroop
    This post is way over my head even for a physical therapy doctoral student!
    Glad to see you haven't changed a bit!
    Best of luck with the new product!
    Think back to freshman/sophmore year and your biochem and AP classes, it's hiding in there somewhere!
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/226478-country-gets-huge.html#post3905023

  28. Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post

    Hey look you finally put together a 2 piece puzzle.

    Think back to freshman/sophmore year and your biochem and AP classes, it's hiding in there somewhere!
    You must not understand the discussion.

  29. I'm not even sure I understood the discussion

    moving along.....
    hold tight gents! more info to come in due time!

  30. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    You must not understand the discussion.
    lol. You base that statement on what exactly? Just because your reading comprehension skills among others suck, doesn't mean I don't understand the discussion. Anyone with even a small background in the endocrine system and biochemistry can understand the pathways that these kinds of products work through in the body. I understand why you were confused initially since the wording is a little tricky, but it's really not all that complex once you get past the vernacular.

    I was just giving you a little jibe since you were poking your own fun around on this thread earlier. The internet is a harsh place man.

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    I'm not even sure I understood the discussion

    moving along.....
    hold tight gents! more info to come in due time!
    I hope you understood since you are putting the product out

    I'm gona stop by the store and grab some troll feed though, just in case.
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/226478-country-gets-huge.html#post3905023
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