- 01-22-2014, 06:34 PM
Well that got hairy.
On the subject of the ingredients & effects it will produce on humans: once this product hits the shelves, there'll be some guys munching these within the first wk. And within a month or two we'll all have a pretty good idea of what to expect, regardless of what the literature points toward (for better or worse).
Put that baby in a shiny colored cap for me & I'll give it a go - nothing from Fina has killed me yet, & I usually seem to come out looking better afterOrbit Nutrition Rep
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- 01-22-2014, 06:39 PM
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01-22-2014, 06:57 PM
This post is way over my head even for a physical therapy doctoral student!
Glad to see you haven't changed a bit!
Best of luck with the new product!
01-22-2014, 07:00 PM
Now THAT'S hairy!
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01-22-2014, 08:33 PM
I'm not even sure I understood the discussion
hold tight gents! more info to come in due time!
01-22-2014, 08:41 PM
I was just giving you a little jibe since you were poking your own fun around on this thread earlier. The internet is a harsh place man.
I'm gona stop by the store and grab some troll feed though, just in case.
01-22-2014, 08:47 PM
Look, with all due respect to all parties involved, I believe that the topics at hand were dealt with and an understanding has been reached. I don't think there is any reason to continue rehashing it. It's nice to see the amount of involvement in this thread, but let's try to keep it product focused. We had our moment, it's handled, let's move on. Thanks guys,
01-22-2014, 08:50 PM
Fine by me Dave, wasn't trying to stir it back up.
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01-30-2014, 04:51 PM
Very cool. I've seen the brassia before in I believe triazole? Or another AI/test boost supp, but I'm gathering that this is a novel ingredient that is extracted or produced uniquely to Finaflex?
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Can you link up the maslinic acid studies? It's an interesting ingredient but the only protein synthesis study I found was in trout (which aren't a model for humans, completely different evolutionary lineage). This was only cursory though so I'm guessing you have something else
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
02-01-2014, 10:34 AM
research on maslinic acid was based on both in vivo and vitro studies on maslinic acid itself and other triterpenoids similar in structure
see studies below...
Stanley CK Cheung, Li-zhong Liu. Glucose lowering effect of transgenic
human insulin-like growth factor-I from rice: in vitro and in vivo studies.
BMC Biotechnol. 2011; 11: 37.
Fernández-Navarro, M., Peragón, J. Maslinic acid as a feed additive to
stimulate growth and hepatic protein-turnover rates in rainbow trout
(Oncorhynchus mykiss). Comp. Biochem. Physiol. 2006. C 144, 130–140.
Mónica Fernández-Navarro a, Juan Peragón. Maslinic acid added to the
diet increases growth and protein-turnover rates in the white muscle of
rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss). Comparative Biochemistry and
Physiology, Part C 147 (2008) 158–167.
Mónica Fernández-Navarro, Juan Peragón. Maslinic Acid: A Component
of Olive Oil on Growth and Protein-turnover Rates. Olives and Olive Oil in
Health and Disease Prevention. Chapter 157. ISBN: 978-0-12-374420-3.
Henke BR, Sparks SM. Glycogen phosphorylase inhibitors. Mini
Rev Med Chem 6:845–857. 2006.
Jun Liu, Rajkumar Rajendram. Effects of Oleanolic Acid and Maslinic
Acid on Glucose and Lipid Metabolism: Implications for the Beneficial
Effects of Olive Oil on Health. Olives and Olive Oil in Health and Disease
Prevention. Chapter 158. ISBN: 978-0-12-374420-3.
Wen, X., Sun, H., Liu, J., Wu, G., Zhang, L., Wu, X., Ni, P., 2005.
Pentacyclic triterpenes. Part 1: The first examples of naturally occurring
pentacyclic triterpenes as a new class of inhibitors of glycogen
phosphorylases. Bioorg. Med. Chem. Lett.15 (22), 4944–4948.
Liu F, Schafer DP, McCullough LD. 2009. TTC, fluoro-Jade B and NeuN
staining confirm evolving phases of infarction induced by middle cerebral
artery occlusion. J Neurosci Methods 179:1–8.
Liu J, Sun H, Duan W, Mu D, Zhang L. 2007. Maslinic acid reduces
blood glucose in KK-Ay mice. Biol Pharm Bull 30:2075–2078.
Wen X, Sun H, Liu J, Cheng K, Zhang P, Zhang L, Hao J, Ni P,
Zographos SE, Leonidas DD, Alexacou KM, Gimisis T, Hayes JM,
Oikonomakos NG. 2008. Naturally occurring pentacyclic triterpenes as
inhibitors of glycogen phosphorylase: synthesis, structure–activity
relationships, and X-ray crystallographic studies. J Med Chem 51:3540–
Qian Y, Guan T, Tang X, Huang L, Huang M, Li Y, Sun H, Yu R, Zhang F.
2011. Astrocytic glutamate transporter-dependent neuroprotection against
glutamate toxicity: an in vitro study of maslinic acid. Eur J Pharmacol
Teng Guan, Yisong Qian. Maslinic Acid, a Natural Inhibitor of Glycogen
Phosphorylase, Reduces Cerebral Ischemic Injury in Hyperglycemic Rats
by GLT-1 Up-Regulation. Journal of Neuroscience Research
Insulin-like growth factor-I: potential for treatment of motor neuronal
disorders. Lewis ME, Neff NT, Contreras PC, Stong DB, Oppenheim RW,
Grebow PE, Vaught JL.SourceCephalon, Inc., West Chester, Pennsylvania
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