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    EBF and PES team up to make burning fat even hotter:


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    EBF: Adipose Annihilation V2
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    To completely round out your fat burning arsenal we have both pre and post meal catalysts for fat burning, along with around the clock cortisol control. To start off this stack we have the most versatile non stimulant fat burner on the market:


    Adipose Annihilation v2 Under the Spotlight

    In this stack we have Adipose Annihilation V2, which is a non stimulant fat burner to enhance the way your body uses and gets fid of fuel. Synergy is the key to these remarkable results; AAv2’s ingredients complement one another to create “2 + 2 = 5” fat melting maximization. Hydroxycitric Acid and Acetyl-L-Carnitine in the FAT MOBILIZATION COMPLEX interact to mobilize and transport fat. Then the EBF ANNIHILATION COMPLEX takes over, as Fucoxanthin, Alpha Yohimbine, and Capsaicin combine to vanquish fat stores through PPARγ receptor antagonism. The Evodiamine, and Ginkgo Biloba Extract in AAv2 take body recomposition to a new level, boosting thermogenesis, regulating thyroid activity, and producing preferential glucose uptake.

    Garcinia Cambogia 50% HCA (Hydroxycitric Acid) is a potent plant derivative with clinically proven lipid metabolism/oxidation potential [3]. Via inhibition of Malonyl Coenzyme A, the so called “building blocks” of fat, it blocks adipose production for upwards of twelve hours after a meal [4, 5]. As HCA stops creation of new fat cells, it simultaneously prompts adipose and liver tissue to oxidize bodily fat stores. By slowing gastric emptying, HCA lowers post-prandial glucose response [6]. Clinical supplementation with Garcinia Cambogia led to, “significantly reduced visceral, subcutaneous, and total fat areas compared with the placebo group,” and, moreover, no visceral fat regain after cessation of use [7]. Beyond this, in a hypocaloric environment – created when one begins to diet – HCA will also help limit muscular catabolism and breakdown [4]. Not only does HCA help prevent fat gain, HCA increases fatty acid oxidation and expression of GLUT-4 protein and glycogen supercompensation during physical activity [7,8].

    HCA shown data that has displayed supercompensation of glycogen during physical exercise with increase fatty acid oxidation, but as well as showing increased expression of CD36 in the presence of a high carbohydrate meal showing that there is an increase in fatty acid oxidation while continuing to eat carbohydrates [14]. This fits in perfect for those who want to remain in the elusive fat burning zone after a high glycemic post workout carbohydrate meal.


    Acetyl-L-Carnitine ALCAR assumes an essential duty in the FAT MOBILIZATION COMPLEX, activating and transporting fat cells for beta oxidation [8]. Its ability to support bodily energy metabolism and insulin response creates innumerable health benefits. One clinical study found that, “safely ameliorated arterial hypertension, insulin resistance, impaired glucose tolerance, and hypoadiponectinemia in subjects” [9]. ALCAR supplementation may help overcome leptin resistance; a hormonal shift often responsible for the metabolic slowdown and fat loss plateaus that dieters experience [10]. Marked increase in dopamine levels and prevention of stress-related hormonal depletion are additional benefits that ALCAR can provide to those in a caloric deficit, to make their diet quicker, easier, and more effective [11, 12].

    Choline Bitratrate is a B Vitamin that prevents fat deposition in the liver, encourages liver fatty acid metabolism and increases subsequent oxidation [13, 14]. When paired with carnitine in medical trials, the two supplements fashioned synergistic improvements in fat mobilization. Fat is literally flushed out of the body, in the form of urinary acylcarnitines [15].

    Fucoxanthin can restrict differentiation of preadipocytes to adipocytes by means of PPARγ down-regulation. Thus, this algae extract limits the opportunity that adipose cells have to form and accumulate in the body [16]. A cutting-edge supplement in the dieter’s arsenal, Fucoxanthin is rapidly garnering popularity as an uncoupler. Recent Hokkaido University trials found that Fucoxanthin augmented expression of mitochondrial uncoupling protein 1 (UCP1). In turn, UCP1 expression shrank abdominal white adipose tissue cells; resultant net body composition changes in Fucoxanthin-fed subjects were undeniably positive [17].

    Alpha Yohimbine is a forceful α2 adrenergic antagonist; compared to standard Yohimbine, Alpha Yohimbine’s impact on α2B and α2C adrenoreceptors is three and four times more potent, respectively [18, 20]. As such, it capably enhances vasodilation/blood flow in adipose cells [19]. Because Alpha Yohimbine modulates α2C prevalent in the brain, epinephrine – along with concurrent nutrient utilization, thermogenesis, and energy metabolism – is maximally activated, whilst breakdown of serotonin, noradrenaline, and dopamine are controlled [20].

    Capsicium Annum 8% Capsaicinoids increases energy expenditure and metabolic rate through multiple pathways [21, 22]. Studies claim, “capsaicin also inhibited the expression of PPARγ, C/EBPα, and leptin, but induced up-regulation of adiponectin at the protein level. These results demonstrate that capsaicin efficiently induces apoptosis and inhibits adipogenesis in 3T3-L1 preadipocytes and adipocytes” [23]. PPARγ modulation causes the bulk of adipose loss to be exhibited on ugly abdominal fat stores [24]. Capsaicinoid dosage in V2.0’s EBF ANNIHILATION COMPLEX has been reduced to .5mg per pill, resulting in similar increased post-ingestion glycerol and blood FFA levels seen in V1.0, without the potential for heartburn-like side-effects [25].

    Evodiamine is an essential new addition to the re-formulated AAv2. This ingredient “mimics the characteristic anti-obese effects induced by capsaicin” to “induce heat loss and heat production at the same time and dissipate food energy, preventing the accumulation of perivisceral fat and the body weight increase” [26]. Inclusion of Evodiamine has reduced the required amount of Capsaicinoids in V2.0’s proprietary blend – this reduction, in turn will maintain all the effectiveness of the original formulation, without the potential for occurrence of heartburn at higher Capsaicinoid dosages. A recent medical study found that Evodiamine’s ability to inhibit adipocyte differentiation and limit fat gain – unlike Capsaicin - is not reliant on a mechanism of action involving uncoupling protein-1 (UCP1) thermogenesis [27]. Therefore, utilization of these two ingredients together can produce similar and cumulative effects by channeling multiple bodily pathways.

    Ginko Biloba Extract is a compound that contains naturally-occurring flavonoids such as Kaempferol and Quercetin. Kaempferol is known to promote overall body/mind wellness through antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, cardioprotective, and neuroprotective activities [28]. Significant improvements in insulin-stimulated glucose uptake can be provided via Kaempferol supplementation, due to an ability to “act at multiple targets to ameliorate hyperglycemia, including by acting as partial agonists of PPARγ”; this partial PPARγ modulation “activates some (insulin sensitization), but not all (adipogenesis), PPARγ-signaling pathways” [29, 31]. Furthermore, in a separate FDA-sponsored study, both Kaempferol and Quercetin were proven to “down-regulate the adipogenesis-related transcriptional factors PPARγ, C/EBP-α and SREBP-1 and to inhibit adipocyte differentiation during the early stage” [30]. Couple this mechanism of action with Kaempferol’s known capacity to regulate D2-mediated thyroid activity (T3 production), and the result is truly astounding cumulative 2+2=5 fat-burning potential [32].

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    Alphamine Under the Spotlight

    Consumers got their first “taste” of Alphamine in 2012 and it didn’t take long for Alphamine to become one of the top sellers in the category due to the overwhelmingly positive feedback it received. Alphamine was unique because it was the first effective powdered fat burner on the market. What was once impossible to give consumers due to the need to take 10-20 capsules/day now became a reality as 2-3 scoops of Alphamine could provide full doses of effective fat-burning ingredients beyond the scope of what other companies could supply in capsule or pill form.
    The benefit of having a thermogenic in a powder format is that users can customize their own dosage more precisely than is possible with an encapsulated product. The limit with caffeine based products is that you can either take one capsule or two. With Alphamine you can split the serving sizes to exactly what you are looking for based on your own personal stimulant tolerance. In the early stages of the Alphamine release, the importance of this was obvious, as some consumers used only half a scoop (one quarter of the maximum dosage), while those with a higher stimulant tolerance would use two full scoops.
    The idea behind Alphamine is to have a thermogenic product with higher doses of active ingredients whilst being in a format that allows flexible dosing, as well as being pleasant to drink.
    Additionally, Alphamine was the first fat burner to focus not just on fat loss but preserving muscle tissue as well, as it contained ingredients that not only spared muscle in a caloric deficit but could actually increase muscle mass while cutting. In this respect, Alphamine was termed a dual-leaning-hardening agent, and the scientific data on the various compounds appears to support these claims.
    Let’s take a brief look at each ingredient and how each one is geared towards Alphamine’s goal of simultaneously maximizing fat loss and muscle gain:
    · Choline Bitartrate – Choline has a variety of roles in the human body, but the specific purpose of Choline in Alphamine is elevation of growth hormone, lipolysis, and mood boost, all of which is achieved through its ability to gain an acetyl group from the enzyme Choline Acetyltransferase in order to form the neurotransmitter: acetylcholine.

    o Choline Bitartrate Summary: Increased Growth Hormone, Lipolysis, and Mood Elevation

    · Alpha-Hydroxy-Isocaproic Acid (HICA) – HICA has been investigated in athletes in two separate trials. It was found that 500mg 3x/day more than doubled the rate of LBM (muscle) gain relative to placebo. It also did not cause any increase in fat mass, whereas the placebo group gained a significant amount of fat. Thus, HICA appears to be a body recomposition tool for increasing muscle mass and limiting fat gain. As an added bonus, the study also found that HICA reduces soreness following exercise1.

    o HICA Summary: Increased muscle mass, reduced fat mass, and reduced soreness

    · Eucommia Ulmoides Leaf (98% Chlorogenic Acid) – Chlorogenic acid has recently gained public fame due to Green Coffee Bean extract, which reduces fat mass via its main active chlorogenic acid. A good Green Coffee Bean Extract contains 50% chlorogenic acid, while this Eucommia Ulmoides extract contains 98% chlorogenic acid. Chlorogenic acid works by positively modulating carbohydrate metabolism, and numerous human trials have shown reductions in fat mass with continuous supplementation. In fact, one trial showed over 3x the fat loss in the chlorogenic acid group relative to placebo2.

    o Chlorogenic Acid Summary: Reduced fat mass and improved glycemic control

    · Olea Europaea Leaf (Extracted for Oleuropein) – Olea Europaea, or Olive Leaf, contains the active compound Oleuropin, which has been shown to stimulate 3’/5’-deiodinase, the enzyme responsible for converting T4 to T33. What this means is simple: you have more active thyroid hormone in your body, leading to increase metabolic rate and fat loss. In addition, Oleuropein is a well-characterized uncoupling agent4, meaning that it increases adrenaline release and thermogenesis, further boosting metabolic rate. Both of these benefits have been demonstrated in murine trials, in which Oleuropein managed to reduce all the negative effects associated with an unhealthy diet5.

    o Oleuropein Summary: Thyroid boost, increased metabolic rate, and reduced fat mass

    · Caffeine Anhydrous – Caffeine really needs no introduction here. It is extremely well-researched and has been shown to improve mood, alertness, energy, and yes, fat loss.

    o Caffeine Summary – Improved fat loss and energy levels

    · Higenamine HCl – Higenamine is a selective beta-adrenergic receptor agonist6. This is the same receptor exploited by drugs like ephedrine and clenbuterol in order to dually stimulate fat loss and spare muscle mass. Therefore, Higenamine will synergize with caffeine, as caffeine potentiates the cAMP transduction cascade, which is a set of reactions that is downstream from the stimulation of the beta-adrenergic receptor.

    o Higenamine Summary: Reduced fat mass, preserved muscle mass, and synergy with caffeine

    · Tembamide – Tembamide is a novel beta-3-adrenergic receptor agonist that has been shown to improve metabolism and dyslipidemia7. The beta-3-adrenergic receptor is localized to adipose tissue and serves one role: thermogenesis and fat loss. Like Higenamine, Tembamide will also synergize with caffeine, which serves to amplify the lipolytic signal.

    o Tembamide Summary: Reduced fat mass, increased thermogenesis, and synergy with caffeine

    · N-Coumaroyldopamine – N-Coumaroyldopamine is a highly selective beta-2-adrenergic receptor agonist8, comparable in potency to the well-known fat loss and asthma drug: Clenbuterol. Unlike Clenbuterol, the selectively of N-Coumaroyldopamine means that it doesn’t activate beta-1-adrenergic receptors. This translates into zero unhealthy effects and more of the fat loss that consumers are after. As a beta-adrenergic-receptor agonist, it too will synergize with caffeine like the aforementioned beta-agonists.

    o N-Coumaroyldopamine Summary: High potency fat loss, muscle preservation, and synergy with caffeine

    To summarize the above, Alphamine:
    · Maximizes beta-adrenergic-receptor-mediated fat loss and muscle preservation
    o Via synergy between Higenamine HCl, N-Coumaroyldopamine, Tembamide, and Caffeine
    · Increases muscle mass and inhibits fat gain
    o Via Alpha-Hydroxy-Isocaproic Acid (HICA)
    · Increases metabolic rate and naturally improves thyroid function
    o Via Olea Europaea Leaf (Extracted for Oleuropein)
    · Improves glucose metabolism and glycemic control
    o Via Eucommia Ulmoides Leaf (98% Chlorogenic Acid)
    · Increases growth hormone release
    o Via Choline Bitartrate

    Taking the wide array of effects into consideration, Alphamine would be best for those who not only seek to lose weight but also want to make sure that the weight lost is coming from fat stores and not muscle mass.

    The synergy of AAv2s ingredients continues when stacked with Alphamine…

    WHY THEY WORK TOGETHER
    Alphamine is chiefly lipolytic in nature, accelerating the breakdown of triglycerides to free fatty acids. This is paired with AAv2, which chiefly targets beta-oxidation and fat storage. So you cover all 3 corners of the triangle: lipolysis, fat oxidation, and reduction of fat storage.
    The Fucoxanthin found in AAv2 is a thermogenic uncoupler, increasing metabolism and calories burnt…this works exceptionally well with Oleuropein found in Alphamine, a thyrogenic ingredient that further raises metabolism.
    Ingredients like Chlorogenic acid found in Eucommia Ulmoides has been shown to stimulant lipolysis and thermogenesis while simultaneously suppressing appetite in the animal model. Other ingredients like caffeine add fuel to fat burning fire that AAv2 creates, as caffeine synergizes with rauwolscine and the SA2A and b-agonists found in both products.

    One ingredient in particular, the N-Coumaroyldopamine in Alphamine, is one of the most selective beta-2 agonist compounds in nature. It has a unique ability to be so selective that cardiac stimulation is greatly avoided, making it very useful towards beta-agonists other promising properties. Anecdotally, beta-agonists with selectivity like NCD shine in the muscle sparing and muscle hardening aspects. If we had to choose a phrase to describe this ingredient…we would use Flex Appeal.

    NCD has been the rave for getting dense firm muscle tissue, and we suspect ultra-selective beta-2 agonists such as NCD may be the future of leaning and hardening agents in the industry. We deliver it here in its purest form.

    Add the above to HICA (leucic acid) you have a fat burning muscle sparing stack that will literally melt fat off of your body.

    Lastly, let’s look at how ingredients like capsicum and evodiamine will contribute to thermogenesis. We’ll keep it short and simple…you will be HOT!!!! Adrenergic signaling from alphamine + increased metabolic rate from bother products + 100% thermogenic compounds like capsicum and evodiamine will take your fat loss to the next level indeed. Add to that a little known effect of ginkgo biloba (improved bloodflow), and you have increased delivery of these potent compounds all over the body: to fat to liberate fat stores, to the liver to burn them off, and to the brain to keep you feeling your best in a caloric deficit.

    No one’s diet is perfect, but Alphamine and AAv2, body composition should shift towards a favorable endpoint: more muscle and less fat.
    But lowering fat storage and lipogenesis are only one side of the coin.
    There really is no parallel to what we’re working with here. The synergy is on another level when it comes to body recomposition, so get in here ASAP because when it comes to well-dosed, science based formulas, you’re dealing with two of the best in EBF and PES.
    This is the first time the ultimate fat loss stack has been offered as a combo for a promotion, and with the results we’re expecting, it likely won’t be the last!
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    Alphamine References
    1. Mero, Antti A., Tuomo Ojala, Juha J. Hulmi, Risto Puurtinen, Tuomo AM Karila, and Timo Seppälä. "Effects of Alfa-hydroxy-isocaproic Acid on Body Composition, DOMS and Performance in Athletes." Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 7.1 (2010): 1. Print.
    2. Thom, E. "The Effect of Chlorogenic Acid Enriched Coffee on Glucose Absorption in Healthy Volunteers and Its Effect on Body Mass When Used Long-term in Overweight and Obese People." J Int Med Res 35.6 (2007): 900-08. Web.
    3. Al-Qarawi, A. A., M. A. Al-Damegh, and S. A. ElMougy. "Effect of Freeze Dried Extract of Olea Europaea on the Pituitary-thyroid Axis in Rats." Phytotherapy Research 16.3 (2002): 286-87. Web.
    4. Oi-KANO, Yuriko, Teruo Kawada, Tatsuo Watanabe, Fumihiro Koyama, Kenichi Watanabe, Reijirou Senbongi, and Kazuo Iwai. "Oleuropein, a Phenolic Compound in Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Increases Uncoupling Protein 1 Content in Brown Adipose Tissue and Enhances Noradrenaline and Adrenaline Secretions in Rats." Journal of Nutritional Science and Vitaminology 54.5 (2008): 363-70. Web.
    5. Poudyal, H., F. Campbell, and L. Brown. "Olive Leaf Extract Attenuates Cardiac, Hepatic, and Metabolic Changes in High Carbohydrate-, High Fat-Fed Rats."Journal of Nutrition 140.5 (2010): 946-53. Web.
    6. Bai, G., Y. Yang, Q. Shi, Z. Liu, Q. Zhang, and YY Zhu. Acta Pharmacol Sin 29.10 (2008): 1187-194. Print.
    7. Narender, T., K. Rajendar, S. Sarkar, V.k. Singh, Upma Chaturvedi, A.k. Khanna, and G. Bhatia. "Synthesis of Novel N-(2-hydroxy-2-p-tolylethyl)-amide and N-(2-oxo-2-p-tolylethyl)-amide Derivatives and Their Antidyslipidemic and Antioxidant Activity." Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry Letters 21.21 (2011): 6393-397. Print.
    8. Park, Jae B. "N-Coumaroyldopamine and N-caffeoyldopamine Increase CAMP via Beta 2-adrenoceptors in Myelocytic U937 Cells." The FASEB Journal 19.6 (2005): 497-502. Web.
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    i would love to try this but don't know the rules for iforce reps well enough to apply very cool tho coop! get dem boys all ripped up in hurr!
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    Woah AAV2 has a lot of references surrounding it lol
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    Woah AAV2 has a lot of references surrounding it lol
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    Man I would love to run this. It says picture of you at your leanest, to see if we can get you leaner lol. I was 175 in 2006, I am 298 currently. Although I love Alphamine, and have always wanted to try AAV2, don't think I can lose 125lbs in a month. That would be record breaking haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Man I would love to run this. It says picture of you at your leanest, to see if we can get you leaner lol. I was 175 in 2006, I am 298 currently. Although I love Alphamine, and have always wanted to try AAV2, don't think I can lose 125lbs in a month. That would be record breaking haha
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    Lol or post your best fml story..
    Going from 175 to 325 Lmao!
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    Best FML story that's ever happened to you or a picture of you at your leanest to see if we can get you leaner
    This is the EBF criteria.

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    This is the EBF criteria.

    For the PES criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    This is the EBF criteria.

    For the PES criteria.

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    - If struggling for money I will take nude photos on the condition I can sell them onto dodgy websites.

    I has to ask permission first ! but lets see:

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    Why you want to run the stack: Had surgery and seriously need to keep dropping my body fat down from the mess it was. After recovery I was a bloated 152lbs with rolls and rolls of fat. Have dropped down now to 144 in the past weeks with consistent cardio and a hypocaloric diet allowing myself just 1 cheat meal every 2 weeks to preserve sanity and motivation...and it has been in the form of Chicken Wings at Buffalo wild wings (which will come up in the story actually in a sec!).

    My goal is always lean up and then start up a lean bulk cycle, which I had done before and had worked my way up to a good weight with good lifts, but the surgery left a toll on me along with some personal issues, stress and some medical conditions (all has been solved now thank God) and lost a lot of LBM and put on a pillsbury doughboy shape. So time to Lean up again and keep moving forward.

    Expectations of the stack: Help me get rid of some stubborn BF I have in my lower back and help me cut up my abdominal section since it is already leaning up. For 4 weeks, I expect to see (according to the diet I've been restricting along with cardio) 4-6 less lbs and with Alphamine and AAv2 I hope that it will be mostly fat mass, alas some deflation of my fat cells.

    Best FML story that's ever happened to you or a picture of you at your leanest to see if we can get you leaner:

    Lets see...not of my life, but of this new chapter of my life and it actually happened on sunday haha.

    So I go in to the Cheat Meal for Buffalo Wild Wings with 2 bro's of mine, at around 9pm...the waitress sits us down and we get a really nice waitress who asks us were we are from, for I have a tendency to shift accents a lot. Though I never portray a Latin, Mexican or Spanish accent. At the moment it was of your typical southern Texan but hell...what do I know? My 2 other friends had a strong accent however, one Latin and one Middle eastern (he is from Pakistan) so she asks were are we from? We go ahead and tell her and we chit chat about the parents and all that...she didn't believe my dad was from Span and my mamma from Mexico, so I had to prove a point and I ordered some Atomic wings! (Love it nice and hot haha)...well as a silly macho thing to do I came to regret it later. She brings them along with a second round of drinks (for me it was just water). I knew it was gonna be an awkward night when I had the stupidity of dropping a Water Joke when she took the order ¬¬' I said: "Well for me...a glass of your freshest...most delicious...and coldest water!! And don't skimp on the ice please !" Yeah...I did that...but my other 2 bro's had beers and what could I do? Make a fool of myself...she gave me the look of: "Really?".

    So anyhow she brings the wings and another glass of water for me...right as she does another friend arrives, so get up to greet him and knock the glass of water over and she gets splashed...right then i notice she had a little baby belly! I thought to myself.."You can't be an ass and make her wipe your mess!" so I took some napkins immediately and cleaned the table as she gave me the stink eye ! And followed up to pick up the ice from the rug as she left to bring me another water and get cleaned up. Dinner goes on, we laugh, we joke, we eat wings and when she comes back I'm tearing up and gulping water and she said: "Told yah it was too hot!" and I said: "Nonesense!! I got Spanish blood in me! this is nothing !" and my Latin friend says (trying to be, i don't know, funny?) "It's ok , he's not as white as you so he might be able to take it chica!"...I seriously think he exaggerated the George Lopez accent...and she DIDN'T laugh...obviously...and yeah she leaves and after us making her uncomfortable and me being a klutz and knocking over the water I decide to leaver her a big tip...so I pay with the card and leave her a 20 at the table with my signed ticket. And for the life of me idk what was going on in my head...I wrote: "Sorry for being a klutz! And congrats on your baby !"...so we stand up, go for the door...right before we get out, from the other end of the restaurant at our table comes a scream of anger and "i've had enough":

    "I'M NOT PREGNANT YOU ASS!"

    Yeah...**** my life...that was my favorite wings spot...

    Now a pic of me at my leanest...hm let's see:
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    ! That a good App then?
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    Lol...I have at least 3 buddies who have made the mistake of asking "when are you due?" to fat chicks.

    Big tummy + regular arms and ankles: pregnant

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    Bro it was only her lower tummy! She was skinny from the arms, legs, neck...everything! I was such an idiot...but not on purpose !!
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    Yikes Cel! She was probably mortified about that comment. Should have just told her she looked glowing that day. That glowing aura that pregnant women usually have, it would have given her leeway to explain further if she was preggers. If not, then you would have just made a random stranger's day.
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    I love the direction of this thread. That reminds me of a scene in horrible bosses
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    This is a great opportunity!

    In for logs, and abs.
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    lol at that story.

    A friend of mine made a similar error of judgement. Unfortunately he was in the sales department of a gym and he said it to a customer whilst on a sales tour lol.

    I am not sure if she joined...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    lol at that story.

    A friend of mine made a similar error of judgement. Unfortunately he was in the sales department of a gym and he said it to a customer whilst on a sales tour lol.

    I am not sure if she joined...
    lol I still feel bad...like @gokix811 said , I should've said something in the same subject but a bit more finesse , and flattering touch X_X
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    I think asking a girl if she is pregnant is similar to asking a guy "bro, do you even lift?" lol
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    I think asking a girl if she is pregnant is similar to asking a guy "bro, do you even lift?" lol
    Or.. That things so cute, does it get bigger lmao
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    My FML story.

    A Visalus salesman comes up to me in the street and asks me if I work out.

    That is it.

    I am now the lowest form of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    My FML story.

    A Visalus salesman comes up to me in the street and asks me if I work out.

    That is it.

    I am now the lowest form of life.
    "It was almost as if I was asked "Bro do you even lift?" " I remember when you put that on your training page haha. Even with a cloak I think anyone can tell you are pretty built Ben .

    He might've just been giving you a non-friendly jab or smack talk because he is not as aesthetically pleasing as you !
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    My FML story.

    A Visalus salesman comes up to me in the street and asks me if I work out.

    That is it.

    I am now the lowest form of life.
    At which point you said, "come at me bro" then proceeded to turn around and do a full lat spread in his face? Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gokix811 View Post
    At which point you said, "come at me bro" then proceeded to turn around and do a full lat spread in his face? Right?
    OR He wrote a new post modernistic version (without the subliminal messages) of "Death of a Salesman".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    "It was almost as if I was asked "Bro do you even lift?" " I remember when you put that on your training page haha. Even with a cloak I think anyone can tell you are pretty built Ben .

    He might've just been giving you a non-friendly jab or smack talk because he is not as aesthetically pleasing as you !
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    At which point you said, "come at me bro" then proceeded to turn around and do a full lat spread in his face? Right?
    I didn't do this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    My FML story.

    A Visalus salesman comes up to me in the street and asks me if I work out.

    That is it.

    I am now the lowest form of life.
    Maybe he knew you did but wanted to take you down a peg because he was so jealous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Maybe he knew you did but wanted to take you down a peg because he was so jealous?
    This is what I hope deep down lol.

    I knew I should have done an arm workout before leaving the house!
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