Pure PF3: Patent Pending Pharma Protein - Loggers Needed

[pete8407]

Lets get a new app today!

[Vengeance187]

its interesting what you say about Dalton size, but there is SO MUCH literature on the difference between, say whey and casein on the benefits of bigger daltons.. all literature aside, there is a HUGE difference for me between a slow digesting protein and a fast one. but yeah, enzymes make it to the bloodsteam and they can digest protein there; you've seen those enzyme products people take for aches, like wobenzyme; those have a market for people with a lack of available enzymes to digest undigested protein particles. its not like you take a wobenzyme and it just sits in you bowels; rather, it savages your bloodsteam looking for particles to digest

Undigested protein does not pass the intestinal lining into the bloodstream unless you have leaky gut syndrome. All blood proteins are synthesized in the liver(except for IgG).

[thescience]

well, I've never viewed the intestinal lining as something that renders slow and fast absorbing protein sources equal in terms of how they act once theyre through. theres a lot going on with a slower-digesting protein after it reaches plasma. this study shows pretty clearly how casein made it through and behaved very differently from whey, stating that when the casein was studied from the plasma, they observed its breakdown was markedly inhibited compared to whey:



"For example, one study looked at both casein and whey protein absorption and the subsequent metabolic effects.iii In this study two labeled milk proteins, casein (CAS) and whey protein (WP), of different physicochemical properties were ingested as one single meal by healthy adults and postprandial whole body leucine kinetics were assessed.

WP induced a dramatic but short increase of plasma amino acids. CAS induced a prolonged plateau of moderate hyperaminoacidemia, probably because of a slow gastric emptying. Whole body protein breakdown was inhibited by 34% after CAS ingestion but not after WP ingestion. Postprandial protein synthesis was stimulated by 68% with the WP meal and to a lesser extent (+31%) with the CAS meal.

Under the conditions of this study, i.e., a single protein meal with no energy added, two dietary proteins were shown to have different metabolic fates and uses. After WP ingestion, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids is fast, high, and transient.

This amino acid pattern is associated with an increased protein synthesis and oxidation and no change in protein breakdown. By contrast, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids after a CAS meal is slower, lower, and prolonged with a different whole body metabolic response: protein synthesis slightly increases, oxidation is moderately stimulated, but protein breakdown is markedly inhibited."

[pete8407]

well, I've never viewed the intestinal lining as something that renders slow and fast absorbing protein sources equal in terms of how they act once theyre through. theres a lot going on with a slower-digesting protein after it reaches plasma. this study shows pretty clearly how casein made it through and behaved very differently from whey, stating that when the casein was studied from the plasma, they observed its breakdown was markedly inhibited compared to whey:

"For example, one study looked at both casein and whey protein absorption and the subsequent metabolic effects.iii In this study two labeled milk proteins, casein (CAS) and whey protein (WP), of different physicochemical properties were ingested as one single meal by healthy adults and postprandial whole body leucine kinetics were assessed.

WP induced a dramatic but short increase of plasma amino acids. CAS induced a prolonged plateau of moderate hyperaminoacidemia, probably because of a slow gastric emptying. Whole body protein breakdown was inhibited by 34% after CAS ingestion but not after WP ingestion. Postprandial protein synthesis was stimulated by 68% with the WP meal and to a lesser extent (+31%) with the CAS meal.

Under the conditions of this study, i.e., a single protein meal with no energy added, two dietary proteins were shown to have different metabolic fates and uses. After WP ingestion, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids is fast, high, and transient.

This amino acid pattern is associated with an increased protein synthesis and oxidation and no change in protein breakdown. By contrast, the plasma appearance of dietary amino acids after a CAS meal is slower, lower, and prolonged with a different whole body metabolic response: protein synthesis slightly increases, oxidation is moderately stimulated, but protein breakdown is markedly inhibited."

I feel like I'm back in college again

[thescience]

I feel like I'm back in college again

yeah, Vengence is pretty intelligent; anyone who goes beyond extant notation into thought and relevance, like he does, will be exponentially smarter. For me, everything comes down to that moment of trial and error when people take the supplement in question; of course, in the event of IGg, it's already got a track record of being used in the field of athletics, though the purity and price point with pf3 are very unique. for those reasons, the stuff really is going to be available to people besides hostipals and marathon runners with big nutritional budgets

[pete8407]

yeah, Vengence is pretty intelligent; anyone who goes beyond extant notation into thought and relevance, like he does, will be exponentially smarter. For me, everything comes down to that moment of trial and error when people take the supplement in question; of course, in the event of IGg, it's already got a track record of being used in the field of athletics, though the purity and price point with pf3 are very unique. for those reasons, the stuff really is going to be available to people besides hostipals and marathon runners with big nutritional budgets

I just can't wait for PF3 to be released!

[thescience]

I just can't wait for PF3 to be released!

same here man

[Vengeance187]

well, I've never viewed the intestinal lining as something that renders slow and fast absorbing protein sources equal in terms of how they act once theyre through. theres a lot going on with a slower-digesting protein after it reaches plasma. this study shows pretty clearly how casein made it through and behaved very differently from whey, stating that when the casein was studied from the plasma, they observed its breakdown was markedly inhibited compared to whey:

That's purely due to the appearance(digestion) rate of the amino acids in the blood. You can get the same effect as casein with whey if you take smaller pulse doses. Although this one shows the many small pulse doses of whey to be much better than casein(postprandial leucine balance).

[pete8407]

Any new apps today for the highly anticipated PF3!!!

[ricroc]

When's this going down?

[Piston Honda]

When's this going down?

Something tells me you'll know by the end of the month

[hvactech]

2 more weeks...

[pete8407]

2 more weeks...

This will feel like an eternity!

[BigEdNJ]

Good things come to those that wait lol

[thescience]

That's purely due to the appearance(digestion) rate of the amino acids in the blood. You can get the same effect as casein with whey if you take smaller pulse doses. Although this one shows the many small pulse doses of whey to be much better than casein(postprandial leucine balance).

ok. point taken. with casein at 30,000 daltons and being so much easier than downing whey obsessive compulsively throughout the day, pf3 at 160,000 is going to be interesting

I did see something called colostrum MAX; while this isn't anything like pf3, the liposomal delivery demonstrates a way to get big fat daltons into the bloodstream untouched by stomach acids or enzymes . that tells me there is at least one way to bypass a limitation on Dalton size.
im trying to wrap my head around pf3 acting as a "vacuum" for nearby nutrients, I know that a heavy protein is certainly going to have a pull on water, and more so the heavier it is, but that all may be totally unrelated to the claim. I vaguely remember usplabs saying their arginine nitrate was better absorbed than l-arginine due to the nitrate which pulls in all nutrients around it on account of its size ( I think they said because of its size). I cant take another look at the ad because the link to it in my email says the page is taken down.

[ricroc]

The name. . .is Dalton.

[Piston Honda]

I thought you'd be bigger.

[niners4reggie]

I thought you'd be bigger.

That's what she...well you know the rest

[thescience]

The name. . .is Dalton.

you know that blind musician in that refused to say he was going to "drain the main vein?" apparently, they made him say it anyway

[ricroc]

you know that blind musician in that refused to say he was going to "drain the main vein?" apparently, they made him say it anyway

Interesting. I did not know that.