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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
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    Eric,

    No matter how many people that you have helped you are not the exception to making a mistake. Your emotions really shouldn't have led the forefront of your arguments. You cannot run around saying that something is safe and your only defense over someone saying it may not be is that the theory it is not hasn't been proven.

    No matter how credible someone is doesn't make a product combination safe. Claiming he chose to run things the way he did and it isn't advised but we counseled him through the whole thing isn't very reassuring. Every defense you have given is just saying its just people being skeptical. But its okay for you to say its safe because its your personal belief that it is?

    The fact you are trying to gain the respect of people by giving away a similar stack... Are you going to have bod pod results for this?

    Your facebook ad and your original post look like a bad infomercial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    Mr. Cooper- to be honest, at this point HAVING YOUR respect would actually upset me. The INCREDIBLE PEOPLE AND MINDS in this industry who are my peers, who I deal with on a daily basis, collaborate with, study with, work with, who look to me as colleague, mentor, inspiration, teacher, and more --all who respect me to the highest level more than make up for having the respect of a college student who has done nothing truly meaningful in this field but pass the same courses that I did as well while I attended University.

    YOU have no idea how unintelligent you sound in this thread and how poor your judgement is and how little you will actually achieve with your terrible attitude. You like to think you are a bright light and an educator, but you are far from it. You have so much to learn in so many respects that you should stop talking so much and start listening more.

    You have said so many things in this thread but not a single one lent anything positive to it. You try to tear down what you do not understand and what you cannot achieve yourself.

    I will not accept some sort of personal attack on my integrity, knowledge, honesty and intentions from someone like you. Keep this from being personal - this is not a fight you want to start. You want to TRY and spread good information and build up your own company, then please do so, but stop trying to tear down the awesome achievements of others.

    Carry on Mr Cooper, and try to be more respectful of the people who have affected so many lives so positively and have been trailblazers, bringing the science of diet/training/supplementation to higher levels for 20+ years in the real world rather than talking a big game on a bunch of discussion boards.

    I wish you all the best.
    I wish there were words to quantify your immense level of ignorance, but there simply aren't. I really hope this post was a joke, as most people here are unaware of your antics on BB.com, but thankfully I have all the posts saved despite moderator deletion at AAEFXs request. The hypocrisy of you preaching about respect, helping others, and respecting science is absurd. I really hope you can get help, though I'm quite certain this forum will still stand behind you because the community here is a lot more forgiving and accepting than the last. Perhaps to a fault in this case
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    A few things:

    1) I have the upmost respect for Mr.Cooper69 and have expressed this in PM in the past. I do NOT think he is trying to bring a negative light against PNI but is trying to educate and absolutely nothing he has said has rubbed me the wrong way.

    2) R3action has made a couple of valid points but seems to be pushing some sort of agenda. If I am wrong then I apologize, but thanks for keeping the thread alive

    3) I have known Eric for MUCH MUCH longer then anyone on this forum on both a personal level and business level. I can say from the bottom of my heart that I do NOT think he was trying to mislead anyone. The advertisement was over the top but this is a business as well as a lifestyle. I dont like it but it is a fact.

    4) The reason I quit being active on the forums for several years is because it is easy to get caught up on the drama. For me this is a business and how I feed my family. As large as AM may seem it is a small small part of the industry and I simply cant get caught up on it. Luckily I have been able to surround myself with amazing people like Ricky, Eric, Luke, Kyle and Tank. Each of them eat, live, sleep, the health and fitness lifestyle. With that being said I do keep a close eye on everything posted. With that said, I am publicly asking any of my reps who may have a problem with any members to take it to PM and do not continue to engage in any open arguments.

    5) In regards to the DAA/NMDA reccomendation. I have spoken to our CSO and he has helped me understand some of the comments/post made my MrCoop in regards to NMDA. Based on what I was told I would want to stay on the side of SAFETY and NOT reccomend anyone to combine the two. There is no definitive way to know what amount would be neurotoxic but I dont think the benefits (if any) would be worth the risk when combining the two.

    In closing, those of you who are taking Luke up on the offer I look forward to your results. Have a great weekend everyone!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post
    A few things:

    1) I have the upmost respect for Mr.Cooper69 and have expressed this in PM in the past. I do NOT think he is trying to bring a negative light against PNI but is trying to educate and absolutely nothing he has said has rubbed me the wrong way.

    2) R3action has made a couple of valid points but seems to be pushing some sort of agenda. If I am wrong then I apologize, but thanks for keeping the thread alive

    3) I have known Eric for MUCH MUCH longer then anyone on this forum on both a personal level and business level. I can say from the bottom of my heart that I do think he was trying to mislead anyone. The advertisement was over the top but this is a business as well as a lifestyle. I dont like it but it is a fact.

    4) The reason I quit being active on the forums for several years is because it is easy to get caught up on the drama. For me this is a business and how I feed my family. As large as AM may seem it is a small small part of the industry and I simply cant get caught up on it. Luckily I have been able to surround myself with amazing people like Ricky, Eric, Luke, Kyle and Tank. Each of them eat, live, sleep, the health and fitness lifestyle. With that being said I do keep a close eye on everything posted. With that said, I am publicly asking any of my reps who may have a problem with any members to take it to PM and do not continue to engage in any open arguments.

    5) In regards to the DAA/NMDA reccomendation. I have spoken to our CSO and he has helped me understand some of the comments/post made my MrCoop in regards to NMDA. Based on what I was told I would want to stay on the side of SAFETY and NOT reccomend anyone to combine the two. There is no definitive way to know what amount would be neurotoxic but I dont think the benefits (if any) would be worth the risk when combining the two.

    In closing, those of you who are taking Luke up on the offer I look forward to your results. Have a great weekend everyone!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post
    A few things:

    1) I have the upmost respect for Mr.Cooper69 and have expressed this in PM in the past. I do NOT think he is trying to bring a negative light against PNI but is trying to educate and absolutely nothing he has said has rubbed me the wrong way.

    2) R3action has made a couple of valid points but seems to be pushing some sort of agenda. If I am wrong then I apologize, but thanks for keeping the thread alive

    3) I have known Eric for MUCH MUCH longer then anyone on this forum on both a personal level and business level. I can say from the bottom of my heart that I do think he was trying to mislead anyone. The advertisement was over the top but this is a business as well as a lifestyle. I dont like it but it is a fact.

    4) The reason I quit being active on the forums for several years is because it is easy to get caught up on the drama. For me this is a business and how I feed my family. As large as AM may seem it is a small small part of the industry and I simply cant get caught up on it. Luckily I have been able to surround myself with amazing people like Ricky, Eric, Luke, Kyle and Tank. Each of them eat, live, sleep, the health and fitness lifestyle. With that being said I do keep a close eye on everything posted. With that said, I am publicly asking any of my reps who may have a problem with any members to take it to PM and do not continue to engage in any open arguments.

    5) In regards to the DAA/NMDA reccomendation. I have spoken to our CSO and he has helped me understand some of the comments/post made my MrCoop in regards to NMDA. Based on what I was told I would want to stay on the side of SAFETY and NOT reccomend anyone to combine the two. There is no definitive way to know what amount would be neurotoxic but I dont think the benefits (if any) would be worth the risk when combining the two.

    In closing, those of you who are taking Luke up on the offer I look forward to your results. Have a great weekend everyone!!
    Nice post. Respectively done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post
    A few things:

    1) I have the upmost respect for Mr.Cooper69 and have expressed this in PM in the past. I do NOT think he is trying to bring a negative light against PNI but is trying to educate and absolutely nothing he has said has rubbed me the wrong way.

    2) R3action has made a couple of valid points but seems to be pushing some sort of agenda. If I am wrong then I apologize, but thanks for keeping the thread alive

    3) I have known Eric for MUCH MUCH longer then anyone on this forum on both a personal level and business level. I can say from the bottom of my heart that I do think he was trying to mislead anyone. The advertisement was over the top but this is a business as well as a lifestyle. I dont like it but it is a fact.

    4) The reason I quit being active on the forums for several years is because it is easy to get caught up on the drama. For me this is a business and how I feed my family. As large as AM may seem it is a small small part of the industry and I simply cant get caught up on it. Luckily I have been able to surround myself with amazing people like Ricky, Eric, Luke, Kyle and Tank. Each of them eat, live, sleep, the health and fitness lifestyle. With that being said I do keep a close eye on everything posted. With that said, I am publicly asking any of my reps who may have a problem with any members to take it to PM and do not continue to engage in any open arguments.

    5) In regards to the DAA/NMDA reccomendation. I have spoken to our CSO and he has helped me understand some of the comments/post made my MrCoop in regards to NMDA. Based on what I was told I would want to stay on the side of SAFETY and NOT reccomend anyone to combine the two. There is no definitive way to know what amount would be neurotoxic but I dont think the benefits (if any) would be worth the risk when combining the two.

    In closing, those of you who are taking Luke up on the offer I look forward to your results. Have a great weekend everyone!!
    Read number 3 very carefully, you made a crucial typo lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post

    Read number 3 very carefully, you made a crucial typo lol
    Haha nice catch lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post

    Read number 3 very carefully, you made a crucial typo lol
    Actually it wasn't a typo.
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    well i have officially lost respect for the entire PNI team and will not be supported them anymore.
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    wow, just..wow

    couple of points, from an observational stance (no agenda, not speaking as rep for another company)

    negative advertising works. there is no doubt
    in the past i worked with a man who perfected the negative-advertising approach, and he has made a fortune
    the more negativity, sometimes the better

    PNI products, tho i have never used personally, seem to get good feedback from what i consider solid sources of review

    that said (and all issue of said "claims" aside):

    safety concerns should always be paramount in this industry - that should not be an issue of integrity, but simple common sense
    it is sad to see safety concerns dismissed
    i have not seen facebook page, but if indeed this is advertised with no mention of potential safety concerns, that most certainly is an issue, and you should not try to distance yourself from it nor minimize the potential

    reps on this forum, are intriguing
    chad - no disrespect to you or your company, just conversing here..but i am wondering:
    you gave your reps a clear and concise directive to not engage in argumentative posts, this was on page 2
    i have seen nothing but continued bickering since..we are on page 10
    including attacking a compound that another company makes with some obscure study reference - which has absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread or your products
    (which is odd, as that company has a rep that also critiqued our same compound, because we labeled with the structural name rather than the common name...which again has nothing to do with any of this...)

    as the world turns..live on AM


    what a mess
    can't we all just get along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    wow, just..wow

    couple of points, from an observational stance (no agenda, not speaking as rep for another company)

    negative advertising works. there is no doubt
    in the past i worked with a man who perfected the negative-advertising approach, and he has made a fortune
    the more negativity, sometimes the better

    PNI products, tho i have never used personally, seem to get good feedback from what i consider solid sources of review

    safety concerns should always be paramount in this industry - that should not be an issue of integrity, but simple common sense
    it is sad to see safety concerns dismissed
    i have not seen facebook page, but if indeed this is advertised with no mention of potential safety concerns, that most certainly is an issue, and you should not try to distance yourself from it nor minimize the potential

    reps on this forum, are intriguing
    chad - no disrespect to you or your company, just conversing here..but i am wondering:
    you gave your reps a clear and concise directive to not engage in argumentative posts, this was on page 2
    i have seen nothing but continued bickering since..we are on page 10
    including attacking a compound that another company makes with some obscure study reference
    (which is odd, as that company has a rep that also attacked our same compound, because we labeled with the structural name rather than the common name...)

    as the world turns..live on AM

    what a mess
    can't we all just get along?

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    The moral of the story is: make sure to frame advertisements appropriately based on content and target audience. With careful review and some toning down of the overt claims this could have been a very effective testimonial based ad. The way it was framed as 10 lbs pure muscle instead of something a little more restrained like 10lbs lean mass was an error in semantics for this audience and came off as a bit hokey.

    That being said, I don't think this is an intentional outright lie and, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I can see a reasonable scenario where this could happen. I think the PNIs reps are great especially Howwedo, and the small amount of interaction I've had with chad and Eric so far have been positive.

    Just wanted to give my opinion on the technical aspects of the ad content as I am in sales and pay attention to these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    The moral of the story is: make sure to frame advertisements appropriately based on content and target audience. With careful review and some toning down of the overt claims this could have been a very effective testimonial based ad. The way it was framed as 10 lbs pure muscle instead of something a little more restrained like 10lbs lean mass was an error in semantics for this audience and came off as a bit hokey.

    That being said, I don't think this is an intentional outright lie and, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I can see a reasonable scenario where this could happen. I think the PNIs reps are great especially Howwedo, and the small amount of interaction I've had with chad and Eric so far have been positive.

    Just wanted to give my opinion on the technical aspects of the ad content as I am in sales and pay attention to these things.
    context is everything

    we here at AM are an incredibly diverse group of guys, with many different backgrounds and our own agendas
    agenda is not a bad thing - again, context..

    we also like to think (reps esp) that because this is our life so-to-speak, we are much more in-tune than the average consumer on the streets
    (which may be so..context)

    but fact is - this is (as has been mentioned) a very small realm of the industry that we target advertising to

    many words are wasted, trying to get points across (context)

    fruitless, including this point of mine

    (wth - i am bored)

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    As a consumer myself I'm going to be watching very closely the progress of the AM members that PNI chooses to test out the advertised product. The proof of the original advertised hype will be in the progress these "testers" will make in one month under the direction of PNI and it's reps. Stay tuned, this is going to be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    As a consumer myself I'm going to be watching very closely the progress of the AM members that PNI chooses to test out the advertised product. The proof of the original advertised hype will be in the progress these "testers" will make in one month under the direction of PNI and it's reps. Stay tuned, this is going to be interesting.
    my opinion, people will gain maybe 1 - 3 pounds of LBM while getting leaner and will throw a fit based off PNI's unreal advertisement and they will claim that everybody is different...blah blah blah and will be able to get away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post

    my opinion, people will gain maybe 1 - 3 pounds of LBM while getting leaner and will throw a fit based off PNI's unreal advertisement and they will claim that everybody is different...blah blah blah and will be able to get away with it.
    Id love to put on 3 fat free pounds in 30 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post

    The moral of the story is: make sure to frame advertisements appropriately based on content and target audience. With careful review and some toning down of the overt claims this could have been a very effective testimonial based ad. The way it was framed as 10 lbs pure muscle instead of something a little more restrained like 10lbs lean mass was an error in semantics for this audience and came off as a bit hokey.

    That being said, I don't think this is an intentional outright lie and, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I can see a reasonable scenario where this could happen. I think the PNIs reps are great especially Howwedo, and the small amount of interaction I've had with chad and Eric so far have been positive.

    Just wanted to give my opinion on the technical aspects of the ad content as I am in sales and pay attention to these things.
    glad to see a fellow in marketing as well good to see other's aren't fooled either.
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    As far as Josiah is concerned, no one said anything negative against him.I'm glad your products helped him get back to where he was only months before. The problem is the way he took his supplements under your direction was not safe and you greatly exaggerated the claims and have no reasoning behind his gains being 100% muscle. I'm saying under your direction because you set his entire routine and diet. You should have advised him then on the stack you were aware he was taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    Id love to put on 3 fat free pounds in 30 days
    oh, i agree 100%. but 10 pounds is a little absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    my opinion, people will gain maybe 1 - 3 pounds of LBM while getting leaner and will throw a fit based off PNI's unreal advertisement and they will claim that everybody is different...blah blah blah and will be able to get away with it.
    Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

    Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees

    And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

    Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees

    And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


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    not really. just dont like when companies do this. i can understand if they do that on BB . com but at AM? not a wise choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

    Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees

    And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    not really. just dont like when companies do this. i can understand if they do that on BB . com but at AM? not a wise choice.
    AM is an extremely intelligent forum, no doubt. Opinions have been voiced. The owner released a statement everyone said their piece. Lets move on...

    Time for everyone to either nap, hit the gym or eat. Back to growing

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    Quote Originally Posted by p5sky View Post
    Wait . . . he has a woman boss?!?!?!? What is the world coming to? Next thing you know they'll want the right to vote, and they'll want the same pay as men. That's when we will see the decline of civilization
    Bahaha!!!! I hope no women are reading this. Otherwise this is about to get ugly all over again lmao!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees
    you're gonna have to wait pal..
    i got a wrestling match with him first

    And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.
    oh i just died

    the humor on this forum, gawd it's great
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