JOSIAH MCQUILLIN GAINS OVER 10 LB. PURE MUSCLE IN 4 WEEKS ON PNI!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI

    If Chad allows this I will work one on one for who wants to take that challenge setting up the diet and training for them for FREE !! Obviously everybody's body responds differently, but the offer is there.
    Very generous
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Wilpit View Post
    I am 150% down for a stack like this....keep me posted on any openings. Those results are crazy and I want in lol
    I am going to push hard to get some log opps for you guys because I did not create this thread as bull or hype and I want to "put up or shut up," so to speak. We are 100% confident in our products and while I would never promise the same results as Josiah, I KNOW this stack is going to prove itself if diet/training are also on point.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post

    I am going to push hard to get some log opps for you guys because I did not create this thread as bull or hype and I want to "put up or shut up," so to speak. We are 100% confident in our products and while I would never promise the same results as Josiah, I KNOW this stack is going to prove itself if diet/training are also on point.
    Hey I'm down for a challenge and 4 weeks of total dedication to see what my body can do. Either way it sounds promising.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post

    I am going to push hard to get some log opps for you guys because I did not create this thread as bull or hype and I want to "put up or shut up," so to speak. We are 100% confident in our products and while I would never promise the same results as Josiah, I KNOW this stack is going to prove itself if diet/training are also on point.
    I don't want logging opportunity and free stuff. I would be happy to buy it on my own and try it out at some point. Can you share diet, training plan, amount of sleep, normal activity level,....

    I know the plan that fit him does not necessarily fit me, but I love reading more details about transformations like this.

    I am very interested. Thank you.
    I started a new log at:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/228939-fumoney-takes-ironmag.html

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Wilpit View Post
    Hey I'm down for a challenge and 4 weeks of total dedication to see what my body can do. Either way it sounds promising.

    Writing down who has contacted me first and so on, Wilpit you being one of them. I stand behind PNI all the way because i believe in their products, BUT no these results did not just come from PNI supplements alone. It took a strict diet, intense training and consistency, which Josiah did and has been doing. And like i said I'm willing to go the extra mile on this by doing as i said. First, lets gets the go ahead ha !
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by fumoney View Post
    I don't want logging opportunity and free stuff. I would be happy to buy it on my own and try it out at some point. Can you share diet, training plan, amount of sleep, normal activity level,....

    I know the plan that fit him does not necessarily fit me, but I love reading more details about transformations like this.

    I am very interested. Thank you.
    Fumoney, inbox me and we ll talk brotha !
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    Chad,

    I agree. We are not the kind of company that is going to engage in negativity and arguing and blah, blah, blah. The kid made these gains in 4 weeks...he was using the exact PNI products I mentioned...he kept careful track of this progress...and this is the result. I am sorry if it is too much for people to believe. Trust me, when I saw the pics I asked Luke if the kid used drugs or PH's in addition to PNI and he did not. This kid only wants to be natural. So, maybe he is a freak...maybe his body reacted in an extraordinary way that few others will...maybe he cleaned up his diet and changed his training and that assisted greatly in him making these gains.

    But, whatever the exact reason for this transformation, YES, IT DID OCCUR. Personally I have had results like this with clients many times in my career from just completely changing their workouts and diet, so while Josiah's progress shocked me, it is not like I have NEVER seen it before. People underestimate what the human body is capable of under the proper circumstances.
    I'm not saying that this did or didn't happen, but even if he really put on 10 lbs of LBM in 4 weeks, there is simply no way that supplements had anything to do with it. Anyone with a basic understanding of physiochemical feedback mechanisms in the body can conclude that much.

    Now, can someone gain 10 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks? Yes, if previously malnourished (not the case), if glycogen-depleted during the "before" stats and glycogen replenished during the "after" stats (which is my guess, based on strength changes, muscle belly girth expansion, and weight gain; water-weight gained through glycogen replenishment is intramuscular and classified as LBM gain), if using exogenous hormones or growth promoters (not the case, based on your word at least), if the individual has never touched a weight before (not the case), or if genetics are incredible (1 in 50,000,000 if we account for one's propensity to become a pro-BBer).

    Edit: And the photo seems to support my theory of glycogen depletion-repletion, as he looks very flat in the "before" pics and has full muscle bellies in the "after" pics.

  8. This will be good...can't get a much better natty stack
    Email me for free prodigy samples
    [email protected]
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    Writing down who has contacted me first and so on, Wilpit you being one of them. I stand behind PNI all the way because i believe in their products, BUT no these results did not just come from PNI supplements alone. It took a strict diet, intense training and consistency, which Josiah did and has been doing. And like i said I'm willing to go the extra mile on this by doing as i said. First, lets gets the go ahead ha !
    Sounds good

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I'm not saying that this did or didn't happen, but even if he really put on 10 lbs of LBM in 4 weeks, there is simply no way that supplements had anything to do with it. Anyone with a basic understanding of physiochemical feedback mechanisms in the body can conclude that much.

    Now, can someone gain 10 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks? Yes, if previously malnourished (not the case), if glycogen-depleted during the "before" stats and glycogen replenished during the "after" stats (which is my guess, based on strength changes, muscle belly girth expansion, and weight gain; water-weight gained through glycogen replenishment is intramuscular and classified as LBM gain), if using exogenous hormones or growth promoters (not the case, based on your word at least), if the individual has never touched a weight before (not the case), or if genetics are incredible (1 in 50,000,000 if we account for one's propensity to become a pro-BBer).

    Edit: And the photo seems to support my theory of glycogen depletion-repletion, as he looks very flat in the "before" pics and has full muscle bellies in the "after" pics.
    I am sorry my friend...I doubt he was malnourished or glycogen depleted as he was a hard working, dedicated lifter before the supplements and did not all of a sudden go from doing everything wrong to everything right. You absolutely cannot discount the supplements in the OVERALL equation of the gains he made. While I am sure he made a conscious effort to perhaps eat better and maybe train harder/smarter you cannot say with any accuracy that his anabolic mechanisms were not also effected by the products. My guess is that the effect was a combination of ALL factors.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU

  11. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    Trust me when I recommend looking into PNI Prodigy. Nutraplanet has it at a great price.

    This is a GREAT booster if you especially want muscle hardness/dryness from strong anti-estrogen effects.
    Damn I am amazed at how well you know your products! First you say that Prodigy is a great test boosting supplement with strong AI effects then bring out this "special alert" which will without a doubt have people running this unsafe stack.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  12. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Damn I am amazed at how well you know your products! First you say that Prodigy is a great test boosting supplement with strong AI effects then bring out this "special alert" which will without a doubt have people running this unsafe stack.
    Actually prodigy is a pre-workout and im confused on how this stack is unsafe?
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  13. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    I am sorry my friend...I doubt he was malnourished or glycogen depleted as he was a hard working, dedicated lifter before the supplements and did not all of a sudden go from doing everything wrong to everything right. You absolutely cannot discount the supplements in the OVERALL equation of the gains he made. While I am sure he made a conscious effort to perhaps eat better and maybe train harder/smarter you cannot say with any accuracy that his anabolic mechanisms were not also effected by the products. My guess is that the effect was a combination of ALL factors.
    Glycogen depletion has nothing to do with being hard working or well-trained. A low carb diet or excessive training volume can cause it. Considering most people here understand that supplements play a minor role in the perhaps 0.5-1 lb LBM that most of us put on in a month, it is simply false to say that supplements played any appreciable role in a TEN lb LBM gain in 4 weeks.

    What anabolic mechanisms were affected? If you could go in detail about how elevations in T can cause cellular hypertrophy, enhanced mitochondrial flux, capacity, and number, and paracrine microsatellite cell recruitment/myonuclear accretion, I'd be happy to entertain your theory.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    Actually prodigy is a pre-workout and im confused on how this stack is unsafe?
    Are you telling me or your spokesperson? Are you recommending we run NMDA with DAA?
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  15. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Are you telling me or your spokesperson? Are you recommending we run NMDA with DAA?
    We discussed this already thats not what we recommend
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    We discussed this already thats not what we recommend
    But its safe? Thanks for answering the second half of that.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  17. All of that said, PNI makes some legit products (arguably the best tbooster on the market), and their owner and employees/reps are all stand-up guys. They are one of few companies I'd actually buy from. Unrealistic claims are just a pet peeve of mine. An alternative explanation is placebo. From another post of mine:

    "And placebo can do pretty much anything and make you believe pretty much anything. This is why we have placebo-controlled trials. We don't compare drugs to control groups; we compare them to placebo groups. By knowing that you are taking ecdysterone, you are eliminating placebo control, which, coupled with your singular sample size and body of evidence showing ecdy is worthless in humans, leads me to conclude that the placebo effect has taken hold. I can give you two examples of such:

    http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/1972/00420/Anabolic_steroids__the_physiol ogical_effects_of.15.aspx

    The subjects taking the placebo that was supposed to be a steroid had absurd increases in strength in just one month. As I said earlier, there are heavy neurophysiological implications of placebo.

    Another trial which we had to dissect in school just last week was set up as follows:

    -Patients with chronic neurological pain were administered either narcotics or placebo
    -No difference was found in pain relief between narcotics or placebo, but both were vastly improved over control

    Here's the kicker though:

    -Subsequent administration of anti-narcotics (also placebo-controlled) abolished the pain relief in the PLACEBO group to a significant degree over the placebo anti-narcotics. In other words, one could extrapolate that there are major alterations in neurotransmitter/nervous system signaling, just from believing that you are taking something that works. Placebo can make you believe anything.

    To drive home the point, this is why we have clinical trials structured as they are. With a rudimentary understanding of ecdysterone, differences in rat/human Vd and compartmentalization, evidence in human trials showing lack of efficacy, and tracer studies in larger mammals showing no distribution to skeletal muscle, it is indeed safe to conclude, given our present knowledge, that ecdysterone is nothing more than a placebo."

  18. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Damn I am amazed at how well you know your products! First you say that Prodigy is a great test boosting supplement with strong AI effects then bring out this "special alert" which will without a doubt have people running this unsafe stack.
    Ha ! I just clicked on the thread you got that from. That is a simple mistake meaning Paragon. If anybody knows products, training and diet Eric Broser knows what he's talking about so sorry for the misunderstanding. If you scroll down in that thread he notices the mistake and corrected himself. We all make mistakes, so please be respectful.
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    Ha ! I just clicked on the thread you got that from. That is a simple mistake meaning Paragon. If anybody knows products, training and diet Eric Broser knows what he's talking about so sorry for the misunderstanding. If you scroll down in that thread he notices the mistake and corrected himself. We all make mistakes, so please be respectful.
    Yeah Howwe was quick to clean that up.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  20. Point of thread: Josiah decides he is interested in using PNI products so he BUYS (not was given - purchases) the complete stack on his own. Obviously not aware that he does not have to use D-Test AND Paragon he goes ahead and uses both. He takes these products as written out in original post and eats a clean diet and trains hard (ate well before and trained hard before, but pushes it to another level to support his investment in new supplement stack). He does this for 4 weeks.

    So, here is the exact equation (as stated and never hidden by any means)...

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    = (for Josiah McQuillin) results presented in OP.


    This is not a lie. This is not exaggerated. This is just fact.

    Will the same happen for EVERYONE who duplicates this stack? No. Results may vary, just like with every single other supplement ever introduced into the sports supplement market by every single company in existence.

    Josiah, as promised will be here tomorrow to answer any other questions you may have. Thank you.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU

  21. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    Point of thread: Josiah decides he is interested in using PNI products so he BUYS (not was given - purchases) the complete stack on his own. Obviously not aware that he does not have to use D-Test AND Paragon he goes ahead and uses both. He takes these products as written out in original post and eats a clean diet and trains hard (ate well before and trained hard before, but pushes it to another level to support his investment in new supplement stack). He does this for 4 weeks.

    So, here is the exact equation (as stated and never hidden by any means)...

    Hard Training + Solid Diet + <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73 527"/>
    = (for Josiah McQuillin) results presented in OP.

    This is not a lie. This is not exaggerated. This is just fact.

    Will the same happen for EVERYONE who duplicates this stack? No. Results may vary, just like with every single other supplement ever introduced into the sports supplement market by every single company in existence.

    Josiah, as promised will be here tomorrow to answer any other questions you may have. Thank you.
    Thanks for clearing that up.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"
  22. Thumbs up


    Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up.
    You are quite welcome. Since some people apparently have trouble with reading comprehension and go off on meaningless tangents that have nothing to do with the point of the original post I felt it my duty to keep things on track. Now, if you all have more specific questions for Josiah like what his exact rep tempo was...which way his scale was facing when he weighed himself...which side of his mouth he chewed his food on...or if he perhaps practiced some kind of witchcraft in addition to simply training hard, eating right, and taking PNI products to help induce his pretty significant gains...he will join in the thread tomorrow as he promised to do.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post

    You are quite welcome. Since some people apparently have trouble with reading comprehension and go off on meaningless tangents that have nothing to do with the point of the original post I felt it my duty to keep things on track. Now, if you all have more specific questions for Josiah like what his exact rep tempo was...which way his scale was facing when he weighed himself...which side of his mouth he chewed his food on...or if he perhaps practiced some kind of witchcraft in addition to simply training hard, eating right, and taking PNI products to help induce his pretty significant gains...he will join in the thread tomorrow as he promised to do.
    Thanks for insulting me, I'm sorry that people were legitimately concerned with a company representative supporting a stack that they don't "recommend". I have no problem with PNI or the products they carry however you blowing these claims out of proportion makes me skeptical of your knowledge of the PNI products. This isn't bb.com so be prepared to answer questions when making outlandish claims.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  24. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Thanks for insulting me, I'm sorry that people were legitimately concerned with a company representative supporting a stack that they don't "recommend". I have no problem with PNI or the products they carry however you blowing these claims out of proportion makes me skeptical of your knowledge of the PNI products. This isn't bb.com so be prepared to answer questions when making outlandish claims.
    Ok, I did not insult you but was making a point that people began stating I said things or did things that were never said or done in original post. Nobody RECOMMENDED he take both D-Test and Paragon, he just decided to. So, it was my responsibility to report exactly what he took although I could have easily left one of the two boosters out to avoid any of this.

    As far as NMDA and D-AA being "dangerous" when taken together I have never seen nor heard of any study that proves this and never have heard a single adverse event reported when these compounds are mixed. If any of you have studies or proof of either please post here so people can be warned to use one or the other and not both.

    Finally, no outlandish claim was made. I explained the stack, the time frame and gave his exact results. He paid for the stack and was not a sponsored tester.

    Thank you.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU

  25. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    As far as NMDA and D-AA being "dangerous" when taken together I have never seen nor heard of any study that proves this and never have heard a single adverse event reported when these compounds are mixed.
    Few people in the world have mixed these compounds. Excitotoxicity does not produce tangible effects. Studies can't be done because they are too invasive in humans, who have different barriers to excitotoxic insult than, say, rats. It is incredibly ill-advised to even entertain the idea of megadosing NMDA agonists.

  26. I would be more then happy to donate the produts for anyone interested in taking Luke and Eric up on their offer. I would love to see how people respond and I like the idea even more so because this is a very educated crowd on here. I truly spared no expense when working on these products and feel very confident that we have some of the most effective products on the market. I stand behind this 100%.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73 467"/>

    **SPECIAL REPORT: Josiah McQuillin Adds Over 10 lb. of Pure Muscle in 4 Weeks on Premium Nutraceuticals Stack**

    Regimen:

    -Thermadex: 1 cap every morning before cardio/breakfast.
    -Paragon: 1 capsule 3 x per day spread evenly.
    -Prodigy: 1 scoop 30-45 min before evening workout.
    -D Test: 2 caps with Paragon morning an evening

    Before Stats:

    -Weight:179
    -Arms:15.5 in.
    -Bench Press:275

    After Stats:

    -Weight: 189
    -Arms:16 in.
    -Bench Press: 315
    Seems like a promotion to me. Maybe Special Report please do not try this should have been the title. You think its a good thing to put on facebook for people who aren't as experienced or have sources such as Dr. Coop or other reputable people to ask for advice?
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  28. Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post
    I would be more then happy to donate the produts for anyone interested in taking Luke and Eric up on their offer. I would love to see how people respond and I like the idea even more so because this is a very educated crowd on here. I truly spared no expense when working on these products and feel very confident that we have some of the most effective products on the market. I stand behind this 100%.
    Fantastic ! I will be in-boxing the people that got ahold of me and do what needs to be done. Looking forward to this, thank you Chad !


    Reminder: Josiah will be posting what he did during these 4 week with diet, training, supplementation etc. Also will answer any questions you may have. Please show respect because he is a friend of mine and chose to make an account to share with you guys, thank you.
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  29. So March 2012
    Did he fall off the wagon before the PNI log?



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    May 2012



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    Or did he find a tanning booth and figure out how to pose?
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  30. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Seems like a promotion to me. Maybe Special Report please do not try this should have been the title. You think its a good thing to put on facebook for people who aren't as experienced or have sources such as Dr. Coop or other reputable people to ask for advice?

    It IS a promotion. The products work and I have the right to stand behind and promote products that work. The products sold by every company on Nutraplanet are taken by people here, on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and everywhere else.

    Umm, and if you are trying to claim I am not reputable, I would simply need to laugh heartily in your face my friend. I have worked with more athletes, bodybuilders, teenagers, elderly, sick, healthy, injured, handicapped, men, women, etc, etc in the areas of diet, training and supplementation than likely anyone on this board and have never had a poor result, a single complaint, or have anything less than one of the best reputations in this entire industry. So, please don't try and play the card that I not as qualified ass our good friend Mr. Cooper.

    But that is not the point anyway. The point is that this healthy young man used our products, had zero negative side effects, and gained exactly what was stated. That IS SPECIAL and I AM REPORTING it! Thus, it is a special report. And yes, it is an ad for our products. And yes, we know PNI products will hasten results if you are also training and eating properly. That is nothing over-hyped or misleading.

    As for taking NMDA and DAA together...we are no longer even producing DAA because we know PARAGON is superior. We do not tell people to use both if asked, but they are both out there so some will of course stack the two. And until I see a single adverse report or study where someone takes both compounds and gets negatively effected nobody can claim it is dangerous to stack the two with any truth except in theory if anything -- even though I still would not recommend it because there is no need.


    But guys...meaning everyone besides the member I am directly responding to in this thread...check out the fact that Chad, the CEO, is willing to donate hundreds and hundres of $'s worth of product so that others on here can try the stack for themselves and make their own decision as to their efficacy. THAT really says something! That says that he is confident that PNI is producing quality products that work. He is not running away from this but rather stepping up to the plate and taking on the "challenge" head on. Stop speculating and use the products for yourselves. We are gathering a list of members who want to run the PNI stack and we will let you know more about this likely within a day.

    We DO thank you for your support and trust.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU
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