JOSIAH MCQUILLIN GAINS OVER 10 LB. PURE MUSCLE IN 4 WEEKS ON PNI!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    Any chance there could be a logging opportunity for this stack? I think if there was more ppl having these results ppl wouldn't be able to say anything...

    Plus I'd love the chance to do it. Haha
    I will talk to Chad and see if he will do a couple of these.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU


  2. Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    Any chance there could be a logging opportunity for this stack? I think if there was more ppl having these results ppl wouldn't be able to say anything...

    Plus I'd love the chance to do it. Haha
    If Chad allows this I will work one on one for who wants to take that challenge setting up the diet and training for them for FREE !! Obviously everybody's body responds differently, but the offer is there.
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    If Chad allows this I will work one on one for who wants to take that challenge setting up the diet and training for them for FREE !! Obviously everybody's body responds differently, but the offer is there.
    That would be amazing!

    Ps keep my name in mind

  4. Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    That would be amazing!

    Ps keep my name in mind
    Inbox me, Eric is talking to Chad and if goes through then we will discuss how many people will do this challenge and treat it as a first come first serve.
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  5. I am 150% down for a stack like this....keep me posted on any openings. Those results are crazy and I want in lol
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI

    If Chad allows this I will work one on one for who wants to take that challenge setting up the diet and training for them for FREE !! Obviously everybody's body responds differently, but the offer is there.
    Very generous
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Wilpit View Post
    I am 150% down for a stack like this....keep me posted on any openings. Those results are crazy and I want in lol
    I am going to push hard to get some log opps for you guys because I did not create this thread as bull or hype and I want to "put up or shut up," so to speak. We are 100% confident in our products and while I would never promise the same results as Josiah, I KNOW this stack is going to prove itself if diet/training are also on point.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU

  8. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post

    I am going to push hard to get some log opps for you guys because I did not create this thread as bull or hype and I want to "put up or shut up," so to speak. We are 100% confident in our products and while I would never promise the same results as Josiah, I KNOW this stack is going to prove itself if diet/training are also on point.
    Hey I'm down for a challenge and 4 weeks of total dedication to see what my body can do. Either way it sounds promising.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post

    I am going to push hard to get some log opps for you guys because I did not create this thread as bull or hype and I want to "put up or shut up," so to speak. We are 100% confident in our products and while I would never promise the same results as Josiah, I KNOW this stack is going to prove itself if diet/training are also on point.
    I don't want logging opportunity and free stuff. I would be happy to buy it on my own and try it out at some point. Can you share diet, training plan, amount of sleep, normal activity level,....

    I know the plan that fit him does not necessarily fit me, but I love reading more details about transformations like this.

    I am very interested. Thank you.
    I started a new log at:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/228939-fumoney-takes-ironmag.html

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Wilpit View Post
    Hey I'm down for a challenge and 4 weeks of total dedication to see what my body can do. Either way it sounds promising.

    Writing down who has contacted me first and so on, Wilpit you being one of them. I stand behind PNI all the way because i believe in their products, BUT no these results did not just come from PNI supplements alone. It took a strict diet, intense training and consistency, which Josiah did and has been doing. And like i said I'm willing to go the extra mile on this by doing as i said. First, lets gets the go ahead ha !
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  11. Quote Originally Posted by fumoney View Post
    I don't want logging opportunity and free stuff. I would be happy to buy it on my own and try it out at some point. Can you share diet, training plan, amount of sleep, normal activity level,....

    I know the plan that fit him does not necessarily fit me, but I love reading more details about transformations like this.

    I am very interested. Thank you.
    Fumoney, inbox me and we ll talk brotha !
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  12. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    Chad,

    I agree. We are not the kind of company that is going to engage in negativity and arguing and blah, blah, blah. The kid made these gains in 4 weeks...he was using the exact PNI products I mentioned...he kept careful track of this progress...and this is the result. I am sorry if it is too much for people to believe. Trust me, when I saw the pics I asked Luke if the kid used drugs or PH's in addition to PNI and he did not. This kid only wants to be natural. So, maybe he is a freak...maybe his body reacted in an extraordinary way that few others will...maybe he cleaned up his diet and changed his training and that assisted greatly in him making these gains.

    But, whatever the exact reason for this transformation, YES, IT DID OCCUR. Personally I have had results like this with clients many times in my career from just completely changing their workouts and diet, so while Josiah's progress shocked me, it is not like I have NEVER seen it before. People underestimate what the human body is capable of under the proper circumstances.
    I'm not saying that this did or didn't happen, but even if he really put on 10 lbs of LBM in 4 weeks, there is simply no way that supplements had anything to do with it. Anyone with a basic understanding of physiochemical feedback mechanisms in the body can conclude that much.

    Now, can someone gain 10 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks? Yes, if previously malnourished (not the case), if glycogen-depleted during the "before" stats and glycogen replenished during the "after" stats (which is my guess, based on strength changes, muscle belly girth expansion, and weight gain; water-weight gained through glycogen replenishment is intramuscular and classified as LBM gain), if using exogenous hormones or growth promoters (not the case, based on your word at least), if the individual has never touched a weight before (not the case), or if genetics are incredible (1 in 50,000,000 if we account for one's propensity to become a pro-BBer).

    Edit: And the photo seems to support my theory of glycogen depletion-repletion, as he looks very flat in the "before" pics and has full muscle bellies in the "after" pics.

  13. This will be good...can't get a much better natty stack
    Email me for free prodigy samples
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    Writing down who has contacted me first and so on, Wilpit you being one of them. I stand behind PNI all the way because i believe in their products, BUT no these results did not just come from PNI supplements alone. It took a strict diet, intense training and consistency, which Josiah did and has been doing. And like i said I'm willing to go the extra mile on this by doing as i said. First, lets gets the go ahead ha !
    Sounds good

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I'm not saying that this did or didn't happen, but even if he really put on 10 lbs of LBM in 4 weeks, there is simply no way that supplements had anything to do with it. Anyone with a basic understanding of physiochemical feedback mechanisms in the body can conclude that much.

    Now, can someone gain 10 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks? Yes, if previously malnourished (not the case), if glycogen-depleted during the "before" stats and glycogen replenished during the "after" stats (which is my guess, based on strength changes, muscle belly girth expansion, and weight gain; water-weight gained through glycogen replenishment is intramuscular and classified as LBM gain), if using exogenous hormones or growth promoters (not the case, based on your word at least), if the individual has never touched a weight before (not the case), or if genetics are incredible (1 in 50,000,000 if we account for one's propensity to become a pro-BBer).

    Edit: And the photo seems to support my theory of glycogen depletion-repletion, as he looks very flat in the "before" pics and has full muscle bellies in the "after" pics.
    I am sorry my friend...I doubt he was malnourished or glycogen depleted as he was a hard working, dedicated lifter before the supplements and did not all of a sudden go from doing everything wrong to everything right. You absolutely cannot discount the supplements in the OVERALL equation of the gains he made. While I am sure he made a conscious effort to perhaps eat better and maybe train harder/smarter you cannot say with any accuracy that his anabolic mechanisms were not also effected by the products. My guess is that the effect was a combination of ALL factors.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU

  16. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    Trust me when I recommend looking into PNI Prodigy. Nutraplanet has it at a great price.

    This is a GREAT booster if you especially want muscle hardness/dryness from strong anti-estrogen effects.
    Damn I am amazed at how well you know your products! First you say that Prodigy is a great test boosting supplement with strong AI effects then bring out this "special alert" which will without a doubt have people running this unsafe stack.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  17. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Damn I am amazed at how well you know your products! First you say that Prodigy is a great test boosting supplement with strong AI effects then bring out this "special alert" which will without a doubt have people running this unsafe stack.
    Actually prodigy is a pre-workout and im confused on how this stack is unsafe?
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  18. Quote Originally Posted by EBroser View Post
    I am sorry my friend...I doubt he was malnourished or glycogen depleted as he was a hard working, dedicated lifter before the supplements and did not all of a sudden go from doing everything wrong to everything right. You absolutely cannot discount the supplements in the OVERALL equation of the gains he made. While I am sure he made a conscious effort to perhaps eat better and maybe train harder/smarter you cannot say with any accuracy that his anabolic mechanisms were not also effected by the products. My guess is that the effect was a combination of ALL factors.
    Glycogen depletion has nothing to do with being hard working or well-trained. A low carb diet or excessive training volume can cause it. Considering most people here understand that supplements play a minor role in the perhaps 0.5-1 lb LBM that most of us put on in a month, it is simply false to say that supplements played any appreciable role in a TEN lb LBM gain in 4 weeks.

    What anabolic mechanisms were affected? If you could go in detail about how elevations in T can cause cellular hypertrophy, enhanced mitochondrial flux, capacity, and number, and paracrine microsatellite cell recruitment/myonuclear accretion, I'd be happy to entertain your theory.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    Actually prodigy is a pre-workout and im confused on how this stack is unsafe?
    Are you telling me or your spokesperson? Are you recommending we run NMDA with DAA?
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  20. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Are you telling me or your spokesperson? Are you recommending we run NMDA with DAA?
    We discussed this already thats not what we recommend
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    We discussed this already thats not what we recommend
    But its safe? Thanks for answering the second half of that.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  22. All of that said, PNI makes some legit products (arguably the best tbooster on the market), and their owner and employees/reps are all stand-up guys. They are one of few companies I'd actually buy from. Unrealistic claims are just a pet peeve of mine. An alternative explanation is placebo. From another post of mine:

    "And placebo can do pretty much anything and make you believe pretty much anything. This is why we have placebo-controlled trials. We don't compare drugs to control groups; we compare them to placebo groups. By knowing that you are taking ecdysterone, you are eliminating placebo control, which, coupled with your singular sample size and body of evidence showing ecdy is worthless in humans, leads me to conclude that the placebo effect has taken hold. I can give you two examples of such:

    http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/1972/00420/Anabolic_steroids__the_physiol ogical_effects_of.15.aspx

    The subjects taking the placebo that was supposed to be a steroid had absurd increases in strength in just one month. As I said earlier, there are heavy neurophysiological implications of placebo.

    Another trial which we had to dissect in school just last week was set up as follows:

    -Patients with chronic neurological pain were administered either narcotics or placebo
    -No difference was found in pain relief between narcotics or placebo, but both were vastly improved over control

    Here's the kicker though:

    -Subsequent administration of anti-narcotics (also placebo-controlled) abolished the pain relief in the PLACEBO group to a significant degree over the placebo anti-narcotics. In other words, one could extrapolate that there are major alterations in neurotransmitter/nervous system signaling, just from believing that you are taking something that works. Placebo can make you believe anything.

    To drive home the point, this is why we have clinical trials structured as they are. With a rudimentary understanding of ecdysterone, differences in rat/human Vd and compartmentalization, evidence in human trials showing lack of efficacy, and tracer studies in larger mammals showing no distribution to skeletal muscle, it is indeed safe to conclude, given our present knowledge, that ecdysterone is nothing more than a placebo."

  23. Quote Originally Posted by R3ACTION View Post
    Damn I am amazed at how well you know your products! First you say that Prodigy is a great test boosting supplement with strong AI effects then bring out this "special alert" which will without a doubt have people running this unsafe stack.
    Ha ! I just clicked on the thread you got that from. That is a simple mistake meaning Paragon. If anybody knows products, training and diet Eric Broser knows what he's talking about so sorry for the misunderstanding. If you scroll down in that thread he notices the mistake and corrected himself. We all make mistakes, so please be respectful.
    Broser Built Athlete www.broserbuilt.com

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Luke_PNI View Post

    Ha ! I just clicked on the thread you got that from. That is a simple mistake meaning Paragon. If anybody knows products, training and diet Eric Broser knows what he's talking about so sorry for the misunderstanding. If you scroll down in that thread he notices the mistake and corrected himself. We all make mistakes, so please be respectful.
    Yeah Howwe was quick to clean that up.
    "Dynamic Trio's Superior Third"

  25. Point of thread: Josiah decides he is interested in using PNI products so he BUYS (not was given - purchases) the complete stack on his own. Obviously not aware that he does not have to use D-Test AND Paragon he goes ahead and uses both. He takes these products as written out in original post and eats a clean diet and trains hard (ate well before and trained hard before, but pushes it to another level to support his investment in new supplement stack). He does this for 4 weeks.

    So, here is the exact equation (as stated and never hidden by any means)...

    Hard Training + Solid Diet + Name:  PNI_banner.png
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    = (for Josiah McQuillin) results presented in OP.


    This is not a lie. This is not exaggerated. This is just fact.

    Will the same happen for EVERYONE who duplicates this stack? No. Results may vary, just like with every single other supplement ever introduced into the sports supplement market by every single company in existence.

    Josiah, as promised will be here tomorrow to answer any other questions you may have. Thank you.
    *CEO BROSER BUILT INTERNATIONAL www.broserbuilt.com*WRITER FOR PLANET MUSCLE/IRONMAN.MUSCLEANDFITNESS.COM*NGA PRO BODYBUILDER*PHYSIQUE TRANSFORMATION ARTIST/CONTEST PREP GURU
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