Normally I wouldn't get so excited about a new Multi Vitamin but.
- 01-23-2013, 04:46 AM
In the end there was some good feedback here. Positive honest feedback helps us all to understand the issues better and exchange of ideas brings about change. Steve has already made some of the same suggestions being made by others to the owners like he has mentioned.Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
- 01-23-2013, 03:11 PM
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01-23-2013, 06:31 PM
ok, just read thru about the last 3 pages...one thing that struck me was snag saying atheletes are better nourished than gen pop and have less need for a multi!!!! what??????
i have grave concerns for anyone who rely's solely on diet for their essential vitamins and minerals...gda seeds with insectisides/herbicides/weed killers built into the dna of seeds are healthy???? i bet the fruits/veggies we eat today contain only a small fraction of nutrients they once contained!!! you can say that i eat organic, all that means is natural fertiliser. the seeds are all becoming hybrid, if companies like monsanto have their way in the next 10 years all seed will be hybrid-why, because you can only use them once then you have to buy more!!!
now we get to animal protein...OMG i don't even know where to start!!! how about hormones, ok-some of you will say hooray love me some hormones...but it is not muscle growing hormones that they want livestock to have-muscle is tough and sinewy...instead they want livestock to be high in estrogens, which cause them to have more fat and be more tender!!! then you don't have free range animals today, you have penned in animals which lay around and get fat faster which is desireable for breeders....geez, the list is very long...
i hate to think anyone really believes they can get everything they need thru diet today, i guess it is possible, but it would require a lot of work and a ton of calories to meet those needs, imo.
the FDA is fail in so many ways, i don't think i have enough time to list them all!!!!
take your vitamin and mineral pills boys and girls!!!!
GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
01-23-2013, 07:02 PM
@ thebigt - ooooo the great monsanto consiracy
i don't disagree with you here man..lots to this topic, and scary what that company has been getting away with for decades
parent company of lysol..been lying for over 30yrs about their product containing phenols and dioxin (aka Agent Orange), adamantly denying..now they admit it, and the case has been in court for yrs (bigtime attorneys forestalling the inevitable payout, while everyone ignorant of this continue to buy lysol in stores)..
the rats fed with monsanto grain, infested with nasty hyooge tumors all over thier bodies in no time..
anyway man - pertaining to the stance everyone should take a multi: i don't disagree, but not everyone feels this way
there are actually some very respected ppl in the medical field & scientific who stand in the opposite corner (ironically eh?)
as for athletes: again, generalized statement. i don't say all or even majority of athletes understand nutrition better than average joe..
but, i do surmise that more athletes eat better than the average joe, and specifically the pro athletes who have personal dieticians/coaches/cooks etc who structure dietary direction for them..
anyway, these are but opinions, and interesting points for discussion
all the other issues you bring up regarding foods/sourcing/impurities/hormones etc etc are very valid
i cannot (and will not) sit here and say i have concrete validation that you MUST supplement your diet with a daily multi - but i can tell you my opinion is, yeah i think you should have your bases covered, sure
a good multi is cheap enuff, that it makes sense not to take any chances
good discussion man, i like it!
01-23-2013, 09:08 PM
the human studies show ulcers, and the studies are less than 3 years old..the long term side effects from gdo products could be much worse than what even the adversaries of gdo fear!!! hell, they are even working on altering the genetics of fruits to make them stay fresh longer, even though many fear a carcinogen effect.
the FDA is so pro business that if big business tells the feds it's safe then they are good to go. companies like adm and monsanto, along with big pharmaceutical have total control over the FDA.
like you said, multi's are cheap enough that everyone should invest in them, in my honest opinion!!!
GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
01-23-2013, 09:26 PM
you ever check out the board of directors of monsanto? a regular who's who of big business
Board of Directors
David L. Chicoine
David L. Chicoine, Ph.D. is president of South Dakota State University and professor of economics.
Janice L. Fields
Janice L. Fields is a former president of McDonald’s USA, LLC, a subsidiary of McDonald’s Corporation.
Hugh Grant (no not that hugh grant)
Hugh Grant is the chairman and chief executive officer of Monsanto Company.
Arthur H. Harper
Arthur H. Harper is managing partner of GenNx360 Capital Partners.
Laura K. Ipsen
Laura Ipsen is corporate vice president of Microsoft Corp.'s Worldwide Public Sector organization.
Gwendolyn S. King
Gwendolyn S. King is president of Podium Prose, a speakers bureau.
C. Steven McMillan
C. Steven McMillan is a retired chairman of the board and CEO of Sara Lee Corporation.
Jon R. Moeller
Jon R. Moeller is chief financial officer of The Procter & Gamble Company.
William U. Parfet
William U. Parfet is chairman of the board, chief executive officer and President of MPI Research Inc.
George H. Poste, Ph. D., D.V.M.
George H. Poste, Ph. D., D.V.M. is chief executive of Health Technology Networks.
Robert J. Stevens
Robert J. Stevens is chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Lockheed Martin Corporation.
there is government tie-in as well, hillary clinton had some involvement, and i think elder george bush was involved at some point too, not sure, no time to check right now
you think these guys are running scared of the FDA? or do you think it's the other way around..
yeah buddy, conspiracy indeed
part of the problem is - there's just too many damn ppl running around!
that's the 'justification' at the end of the day here, to produce enuff food to feed the masses
(with the byproduct of a few select ppl getting very rich off the implementation of such)
unfortunately, just like we have ignored the environmental issues and all we have done to destroy it (in order to survive & thrive), so too have we ignored the fact we are destroying the very thing that we claim to worry about keeping us alive - ie food!
is a mess indeed, my friend.
01-23-2013, 10:13 PM
then we have big pharma....the gov is pushing flu vaccines, but there was a big scandal with contaminated batches a few years back due to poor quality control...so what does the gov do-tells same company to clean up it's act and then rewards bad behavior with an even bigger contratct, without even doing follow up inspections...flu shot anyone????
like i said....take those multi's boys and girls!!!!
GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
01-24-2013, 05:58 AM
Scary stuff, you guys are harshin my buzz. I am loving the big sweet fruit I have been getting the last couple of years but I know it has to be altered in some way.
Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
01-24-2013, 08:24 AM
Board of Directors
Patricia A. Woertz
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President
Alan L. Boeckmann
Retired Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Fluor Corporation
George W. Buckley
Retired Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of 3M (a diversified technology company) and Chairman of Arle Capital Partners Limited
Mollie Hale Carter
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Sunflower Bank and Vice President of Star A, Inc. (a farming and ranching operation)
Terrell K. Crews
Retired Chief Financial Officer, Monsanto
Senior Executive Vice President, Air Liquide Group; President and Chief Executive Officer of American Air Liquide Holdings, Inc. (leader in gases for industrial, health care and environmental applications)
Donald E. Felsinger
Executive Chairman of Sempra Energy (an energy services holding company)
Antonio Maciel Neto
Chief Executive Officer of Suzano Papel e Celulose (a producer of paper and pulp products)
Patrick J. Moore
President and Chief Executive Officer of PJM Advisors, LLC (an investment and advisory firm)
Thomas F. O'Neill
Principal of Ranieri Partners Management, LLC (an investment advisory firm)
Kelvin R. Westbrook
President and Chief Executive Officer of KRW Advisors, LLC (a consulting and advisory firm)
Deputy Chairman and Executive Director, Stella International Holdings Limited
i cannot dispute!like i said....take those multi's boys and girls!!!!
01-24-2013, 12:02 PM
they can alter the food supply with very little interferance. they have altered the dna of certain seeds to grow with only 10% of the water normally required-this sounds great at 1st when you think about the famine stricken countries in africa that are prone to drought....
but by mutating the dna of the food supply, what effects will this have after 10 years??? so much money will have been made, and they will have been elevated to hero status by the time kids with 2 heads are being born...they probably look at this as an acceptable risk.
GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
01-24-2013, 02:08 PM
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