The Blacklist- Terms/Conditions

[schizm]

After (unfortunately) seeing the need for this as discussed in a separate thread, thought it might be beneficial for AM to have a thread such as this to separate those looking for free product and running and those legitmate members that will follow through with logs/reviews etc…Hopefully this thread isn’t used all that much… below is a cut n paste of a Blacklist 'template' (oringinally posted by jkeithc82) elsewhere…thought it'd be good to start with it...


Purpose of the BLACKLIST: to provide a reference source to company representatives in order to help weed out known unreliable product reviewers. This benefits the companies offering their products for review by listing known waters and benefits general members by eliminating wasters from applicant pools. Accepting a free product in exchange for a review and not following up with your end of the deal is essentially theft.

This is applicable to sponsored reviews only. If you purchase a product yourself you are exempt.


Guidelines for the BLACKLIST:

1) Only representatives from the company supplying the product may nominate someone for blacklisting. Hopefully this will remove any potential ‘backstabbing’ between members. There needent be a bandwagon effect between members ganging up on certain unpopular members. If companies can’t track their reviews properly that’s all on them.

Initially, candidates will only be applicable for blacklisting from any ones company’s most recent group of product reviewers. Blacklisting is not retroactive of past log failures, rather begins from this point forward. Those currently in the process of logging sponsored supplements are exempt from Blacklist standards, however not exempt from the company's log standards.

2) The rep has to clearly state the basic prerequisites for the candidates (number of updates per week, progress pictures, relevant information to be tracked and updated regularly etc). By posting an application to review a product the candidate accepts these terms. Reps cannot deviate from these prerequisites unless a formal public posting has been accepted by all testing parties as well as given moderator approval.

3) Only a moderator ultimately determines whether someone will be put on the blacklist.

4) A lukewarm or negative review on any product is NOT a candidate for blacklisting unless it violates other guidelines. Should reviewing parties comply with the standards set forth by the rep prior to testing, nomination for Blacklisting will be ignored.

5) At least one verifiable attempt must have been made to rectify an iffy log by the company via email or PM as well as several public posting attempts within the log itself. Bumping a thread is (unfortunately) not enough. Upon nomination of blacklisting if a Moderator wishes to also contact the reviewer prior to blacklisting that is their case-by-case decision.

6) If unforseen circumstances arrise it is up to the reviewer to contact the company, not the other way around. Such circumstances will also need to be addressed with myself or another moderator if the Blacklist discussion is underway. Unforseen circumstances include those that would render the reviewer physically unable to continue his/her log (ie. extreme sickness, injury, etc.).

7) The reviewer is NOT above COMMON SENSE. Certain things are implicit and not everything needs to be outlined every single time.

BLACKLISTING:

8) In order to be placed on the blacklist a rep must determine suitability via guidelines 1)-6) and then post the screen name of the candidate, a link to the review in question and infringements. Prior to public posting of a potential Blacklist member, reps should alert me prior by sending a pm. Blacklisted members are subject to a minimum 3 day ban from the boards which will begin immediately after he/she is Blacklisted.

REDEMPTION:

9) If a blacklistee wishes to be removed from the blacklist they can:

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- carry out at least three complete logs to a high standard with products they have purchased themselves. Realize that attempting to redeem yourself from the Blacklist means your next logs will be possibly judged more strictly and will depend on the product selection (logging a B-Complex is not acceptable for example).

As always… Moderator’s decisions are final.

[schizm]

Thoughts?

Perhaps a MOD can create a Sub forum to toss this thread in within the promo section (like how the Sup Auction is seperated out?)

[MidwestBeast]

I love this idea, schizm. Some of the reps and sponsors don't have the opportunity to hang out as much on here as others, so it's easy for guys to step in and apply for promos, win them, and never follow up.

Hopefully this list will be very small, but it indeed serves a purpose.

[AE14]

I completely understand where you guys are coming from with this, it is just a sad statement that it is needed

[Marms]

I completely understand where you guys are coming from with this, it is just a sad statement that it is needed

Agreed ! But glad the option for it is here for all of us.

[schizm]

I completely understand where you guys are coming from with this, it is just a sad statement that it is needed

Truly sad...and I went back n forth about even creating it...but with all threads, it's a resource...

[PrepNwa23]

Its sadly needed cause alot of guys just enter the promo section and don't come through. Its really sad that it has come to something like this.

[AaronJP1]

Great Idea!
No lie I was going to start this today cause I'll be looking for loggers n I didn't want some1 not using the product!

Great Job

[David Dunn]

I stuck it.

You may need to consider how you want to moderate this thread.

I can lock it and update it. I can't promise I will be able to update in real time.

Updates can be added when an authorized rep submits new names. My recommendation is that there be one point of contact, namely you, who can submit updates that you get from other sponsor reps. You can PM me on a scheduled interval with names and I can add them to the list.

Takes some time to think about the details - usernames, sponsor, products, offense or failure to deliver, other usernames and or boards active on, etc. etc.

[schizm]

I stuck it.

You may need to consider how you want to moderate this thread.

I can lock it and update it. I can't promise I will be able to update in real time.

Updates can be added when an authorized rep submits new names. My recommendation is that there be one point of contact, namely you, who can submit updates that you get from other sponsor reps. You can PM me on a scheduled interval with names and I can add them to the list.

Takes some time to think about the details - usernames, sponsor, products, offense or failure to deliver, other usernames and or boards active on, etc. etc.

Thanks for making it stick, DD!

Seems like the simplest way to go about it, would for a form to be filled out (next post)...which could then either be pm'd to myself (to send on to you, say 2x's/month) or to you directly (or even posted in the thread(?) as I'm sure unless the member just vanishes, there will be some amount of rebuttal)....I just don't want to set myself up as 'the judge', in any way/shape/form....

[schizm]

I nominate the following to be added to the Blacklist:

1. Username:
2. Sponsor:
3. Product(s):
4. Offense/failure to deliver:
5. Contact Attempts/Responses:
6. Other boards used/Alt usernames:

Outcome:

[nokkT]

Sadly, this could be needed. Although, it could be good so that some of the new loggers/reviewers and get in on some of it too. Kind of clear house on the people just looking for free goods rather than those who are really looking to help/provide unbiased and constructive feedback.

[AaronJP1]

Yeah twice maybe 3 times a month sounds good...
Like I said this is a great idea....

[Grmlock]

I'm surprised that this wasn't already a sticky.

[lukehayd]

It's disappointing that it has to come to this! Most of the AM family are very stand-up guys & gals who take the PRIVILEGE to be a chosen logger seriously. I have seen too many people win product and then cut and run. This is not "FREE" product, it comes with a responsibility. With the introduction of this "BLACKLIST", hopefully it will dissuade anymore cut & run.

[drooks10]

Definitely needed on here. People always looking for free stuff, and don't follow through with their end of the bargain.

[AaronJP1]

Definitely needed on here. People always looking for free stuff, and don't follow through with their end of the bargain.

I don't even apply for logs too much anymore cuz I hate logging

[kingjameskjf]

Definitely needed here as I've already experienced some people winning logs from some of my promos and then (even after multiple PM's) ignore me and continue to apply for other company promos. That's stealing. When you are provided a product for a service you are required to abide by that agreement. It doesn't mean you have to lie and give a positive review if it sucked, but you still need to live up to the agreed obligation. Another one I ran into is where the member disappeared off the forums for a couple months and then came back on and again ignored my pm's and applied for other company logs. That's shady. If something unexpected comes up, have the decency to tell the company rep involved and offer to send it back. Most companies understand things can happen and will work with you.

-James

[AssociateLift]

agree agree!

[drinkyboy]

Great idea! Maybe I will get picked for stuff now. I Think people should look out for those who log multiple products at once. Very rarely do people log solo runs...always a laundry list of supps. Not fare to the final review and those interested imo.