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Dear AM,

Several months ago we discontinued topical 1-T TREN -- the best selling and most powerful steroid product we ever released.

Since then, we've received numerous comments from customers wanting us to bring the product back, if only for a second, so they could get their hands on a great muscle building steroid without having to actually break the law.

We decided to give the customers what they wanted -- and then some.

Until Jan 1st we will be offering a very limited supply of oral TREN Liqua-Vade. This product is TREN ONLY, and is more powerful than anything we've ever produced.

Since we only have a couple weeks to sell this product we only produced 500 BOTTLES, and that's ALL we are going to produce. Once this limited production run is sold out, it's gone for good.



The Final Ruling -- Time to Act

In early December 2009 the DEA officially announced that "TREN" aka, 19-Norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione [aka, Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione] will be classified as an illegal class III controlled substance on Jan 4th, 2010.

Read here to get the full scoop -- FR Doc E9-28572

This means after the 4th of January you won't be able to legally buy this stuff anywhere.

It's funny to read the sales pitches from other companies that sell "legal steroids" that are "just like the real thing". How about this -- TREN is the real thing -- and on Jan 4th it will be listed as a banned anabolic steroid right next to trenbolone, winstrol and the infamous methandrostenolone.

If you're reading this before the ban, you should feel lucky -- You still have a chance to get your hands on the most ass kicking product you will ever experience. (if you can click "buy now" fast enough)



TREN, Trenbolone and a bit of History

TREN is not trenbolone, nor will it ever convert to trenbolone. But its molecular structure and activity is damn close.

Just take a look at the similarity of their structure below -


User feedback tells us that TREN has the same muscle hardening and fat melting effects as trenbolone. The benefits from TREN largely come from its conversion to a steroid hormone called dienolone. (which is even closer to trenbolone)

It only takes a single conversion in the 17th position to convert TREN to dienolone. This conversion happens in the blood and liver by the enzyme 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase.

The muscle building potency of dienolone lies somewhere between testosterone and trenbolone, making it a formidable anabolic. (1-4) Just like trenbolone, dienolone doesn't convert to estrogen or DHT, and it's very thermogenic. That's why we call this product "TREN" because the gains are very much like trenbolone. It's not uncommon for users to shed pounds of fat while gaining 15-20lbs of solid muscle in 4-6 weeks.



Strength of a Guerilla -- Size of Mammoth

TREN Liqua-Vade will build muscle quickly and more intensely than you are probably prepared for. Your skin won't be prepared to stretch as fast as your muscles will grow. Your tendons will hardly be prepared for the animal strength you will discover.

Here is some advice -- If you have never used an anabolic steroid compound, then start slow with this product. Make sure you have built up a solid natural muscular base and always make sure you are thoroughly warmed up before shooting for a personal record.

Besides, even if you aren't ready to use TREN right away, that's fine. The product will last for at least two years.

Within 4 weeks, you will notice the following effects -

  • Lean muscle gain of 15-20lbs
  • Harder, denser muscles
  • More definition and vascularity
  • Increased strength and power
  • Heightened aggression and energy
Oral TREN Liqua-Vade -- 4x more powerful than original 1-T TREN

This time, the stakes are even higher than before. This new limited edition oral TREN Liqua-Vade is 4x more powerful that our previous 1-T TREN topical cream.

We've accomplished this by packing 3x more TREN in to our new oral TREN Liqua-Vade compared to our previous 1-T TREN topical.

Secondly, absorption is up to 3x better with our new oral Liqua-Vade technology. With the higher amount of TREN and improved absorption, results are expected to be 3-4x more dramatic than the original 1-T TREN. (which was already a powerhouse)

Plus, this is a TREN ONLY product. No DHEA. No other hormones. You cycle and dose exactly to your needs and build any custom cycle you want.




Liqua-Vade Delivery Technology -- Injection in a Glass

Using oral TREN with our Liqua-Vade technology is almost as exciting and seeing the results.

Just pull out your dose of TREN with the oral syringe, fire it into a glass of water and shoot it down.

Within seconds, the lipid based TREN solution will start penetrating the membranes of the oral sublingual cavity. As you swallow, the solubilized TREN particles will absorb through the eso****us. By the time the TREN Liqua-Vade gets to the stomach, the TREN will be invading your blood stream, flowing right to the muscles and attaching to the anabolic receptors.

To learn more about the advanced technology of this liquid oral delivery system, visit here



Dissolving your Liver and Exploding your Heart​

The mass media likes to publish "sensational news" that TREN and other legal steroids will kill you. That just isn't reality, but there are side-effects to consider.

The most important side-effect to be aware of is reduction of natural testosterone production. DO NOT use TREN for any longer than 6 weeks, and always have a post cycle therapy (PCT) ready before starting a cycle! If your irresponsible and you cycle longer than this, it can cause permanently lower your testosterone production!

So, if you want testosterone levels to return to normal, do not use TREN longer than 6 weeks and make sure to run PCT after using TREN. For more information on PCT, please visit the Official PCT thread here

No matter what, you should not use this product unless you are over the age of 21.

Other side effects may include -

  • Loss of libido*
  • Itchy nipples**
  • Hot sweats
  • Insomnia
  • Aggression
  • Unfavorable change in LDL/HDL cholesterol
NOTE: All side-effects listed above would return to normal within 1-2 weeks of discontinuing TREN.

Hair loss seems to be fairly mild or non-existent with TREN because it doesn't convert to DHT, nor does it have an intrinsic androgenic potency powerful enough to cause hair loss in most men. Liver stress is minimal as well because TREN is non-methylated.

Running an anti-estrogen with TREN will offer no additional value since TREN cannot convert to estrogen, nor will it cause estrogen levels to increase.

* Loss of libido can be mostly avoided by supplementing with Dermacrine or Sustain Alpha during the cycle. These products support the body's sex drive.

** Vitex at 460mg/day can be used to help avoid itchy nipples or gyno. Keeping the dose of TREN Liqua-Vade below 150mg/day will also help avoid any problems with gyno.



The Taste of TREN - Dosing

We flavored oral TREN with a pleasant Vanilla Ice Cream flavor, but I have to warn you of something.

The first thing you will notice if you take a direct shot of TREN to the mouth is the burn. This is the nature of pure TREN. If you want the "full experience" then go right ahead and take the direct shot, but don't say I didn't warn you.

If it's too much for you, I personally recommend "Option 3 - The Worm Shot" to avoid the oral burn.

You will take TREN Liqua-Vade 3x per day to keep blood levels as steady as possible. This will help minimize side-effects by keeping blood levels from spiking, while also ensuring you get the best results.

We recommend two different dosing protocols based on your experience -

Moderate dose -- 2mL, three times daily.

OR

Maximum dose -- 3mL, three times daily.​

If you are going to run the recommended dose of 2mL three times per day then your bottle will last 6 weeks. If running the maximum dose of 3mL three times per day then your bottle will last 4 weeks.

We recommend not exceeding a 4 week cycle if you run the full maximum dose.



Keeping Gains with the Recovery Stack​


Xtreme Hardcore Muscle Stack will provide you with 1 bottle of TREN Liqua-Vade and a full 30-day post cycle therapy (PCT).

This stack will have you completely covered for your cycle of 1-T TREN, and your recovery after the cycle to ensure you keep as much gains as possible. (and it will save you about $20)


Guaranteed to Transform
Obviously, we won't be able to accept return on this product 8 weeks from now, but here is an offer -

Take a 5mL hit as soon as your bottle of TREN Liqua-Vade arrives. Wait 5 minutes. If it doesn't make you feel like a raging animal capable of tearing a tree from the ground, send it back to me, and I'll make sure you get a full refund. Heck, I'll save the bottle for my next cycle, or give it to anyone of the employees here who have been dying to snag a bottle from our warehouse.



The Final Call​


That's 80 bucks for a 6 week supply, or a 4 week supply if you want to run the ultra high dose.

Go ahead and search online to find a comparable product at a better price. I can tell you with certainty that it does not exist. Our goal with TREN Liqua-Vade was to produce the most potent TREN product ever seen by the industry, and offer it for an incredible value.

If you missed out on the last bottles of 1-T TREN, don't miss out on this. Remember, we only have 500 bottles.

If you're lucky enough to get a bottle I thank you for supporting us.

Enjoy your new muscle growth for 2010!


Yours in health & fitness,

Eric Potratz
Primordial Founder & President

Questions?

Phone - 1-503-841-6702
Email - [email protected]
Visit - Primordial Performance




References -

1. Towards the mapping of the progesterone and androgen receptors.
Ojasoo et al.
J Steroid Biochem. 27 (1-3):255-69, 1987

2. A comparison of progestin and androgen receptor binding using the CoMFA technique.
Loughney DA, et al.
J Comput Aided Mol Des. Dec;6 (6);589-81, 1992

3. Unique steroid congeners for receptor studies.
Ojasoo, Raynaud.
Cancer Research 38 (1978) 4186-98

4. Disposition of 17 beta-trenbolone in humans.
Spranger, et al.Â
J Chromatogr 564 (1991) 485-92
 
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Dear AM,

Several months ago we discontinued topical 1-T TREN -- the best selling and most powerful steroid product we ever released.

Since then, we've received numerous comments from customers wanting us to bring the product back, if only for a second, so they could get their hands on a great muscle building steroid without having to actually break the law.

We decided to give the customers what they wanted -- and then some.

Until Jan 1st we will be offering a very limited supply of oral TREN Liqua-Vade. This product is TREN ONLY, and is more powerful than anything we've ever produced.

Since we only have a couple weeks to sell this product we only produced 500 BOTTLES, and that's ALL we are going to produce. Once this limited production run is sold out, it's gone for good.






The Final Ruling -- Time to Act

In early December 2009 the DEA officially announced that "TREN" aka, 19-Norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione [aka, Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione] will be classified as an illegal class III controlled substance on Jan 4th, 2010.

Read here to get the full scoop -- FR Doc E9-28572

This means after the 4th of January you won't be able to legally buy this stuff anywhere.

It's funny to read the sales pitches from other companies that sell "legal steroids" that are "just like the real thing". How about this -- TREN is the real thing -- and on Jan 4th it will be listed as a banned anabolic steroid right next to trenbolone, winstrol and the infamous methandrostenolone.

If you're reading this before the ban, you should feel lucky -- You still have a chance to get your hands on the most ass kicking product you will ever experience. (if you can click "buy now" fast enough)



TREN, Trenbolone and a bit of History

TREN is not trenbolone, nor will it ever convert to trenbolone. But its molecular structure and activity is damn close.

Just take a look at the similarity of their structure below -



User feedback tells us that TREN has the same muscle hardening and fat melting effects as trenbolone. The benefits from TREN largely come from its conversion to a steroid hormone called dienolone. (which is even closer to trenbolone)

It only takes a single conversion in the 17th position to convert TREN to dienolone. This conversion happens in the blood and liver by the enzyme 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase.

The muscle building potency of dienolone lies somewhere between testosterone and trenbolone, making it a formidable anabolic. (1-4) Just like trenbolone, dienolone doesn't convert to estrogen or DHT, and it's very thermogenic. That's why we call this product "TREN" because the gains are very much like trenbolone. It's not uncommon for users to shed pounds of fat while gaining 15-20lbs of solid muscle in 4-6 weeks.



Strength of a Guerilla -- Size of Mammoth

TREN Liqua-Vade will build muscle quickly and more intensely than you are probably prepared for. Your skin won't be prepared to stretch as fast as your muscles will grow. Your tendons will hardly be prepared for the animal strength you will discover.

Here is some advice -- If you have never used an anabolic steroid compound, then start slow with this product. Make sure you have built up a solid natural muscular base and always make sure you are thoroughly warmed up before shooting for a personal record.

Besides, even if you aren't ready to use TREN right away, that's fine. The product will last for at least two years.

Within 4 weeks, you will notice the following effects -

  • Lean muscle gain of 15-20lbs
  • Harder, denser muscles
  • More definition and vascularity
  • Increased strength and power
  • Heightened aggression and energy
Oral TREN Liqua-Vade -- 4x more powerful than original 1-T TREN

This time, the stakes are even higher than before. This new limited edition oral TREN Liqua-Vade is 4x more powerful that our previous 1-T TREN topical cream.

We've accomplished this by packing 3x more TREN in to our new oral TREN Liqua-Vade compared to our previous 1-T TREN topical.

Secondly, absorption is up to 3x better with our new oral Liqua-Vade technology. With the higher amount of TREN and improved absorption, results are expected to be 3-4x more dramatic than the original 1-T TREN. (which was already a powerhouse)

Plus, this is a TREN ONLY product. No DHEA. No other hormones. You cycle and dose exactly to your needs and build any custom cycle you want.





Liqua-Vade Delivery Technology -- Injection in a Glass

Using oral TREN with our Liqua-Vade technology is almost as exciting and seeing the results.

Just pull out your dose of TREN with the oral syringe, fire it into a glass of water and shoot it down.

Within seconds, the lipid based TREN solution will start penetrating the membranes of the oral sublingual cavity. As you swallow, the solubilized TREN particles will absorb through the eso****us. By the time the TREN Liqua-Vade gets to the stomach, the TREN will be invading your blood stream, flowing right to the muscles and attaching to the anabolic receptors.

To learn more about the advanced technology of this liquid oral delivery system, visit here -- Liqua-Vade



Dissolving your Liver and Exploding your Heart​

The mass media likes to publish "sensational news" that TREN and other legal steroids will kill you. That just isn't reality, but there are side-effects to consider.

The most important side-effect to be aware of is reduction of natural testosterone production. DO NOT use TREN for any longer than 6 weeks, and always have a post cycle therapy (PCT) ready before starting a cycle! If your irresponsible and you cycle longer than this, it can cause permanently lower your testosterone production!

So, if you want testosterone levels to return to normal, do not use TREN longer than 6 weeks and make sure to run PCT after using TREN. For more information on PCT, please visit the Official PCT thread here -- The Official PCT Thread - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums

No matter what, you should not use this product unless you are over the age of 21.

Other side effects may include -

  • Loss of libido*
  • Itchy nipples**
  • Hot sweats
  • Insomnia
  • Aggression
  • Unfavorable change in LDL/HDL cholesterol
NOTE: All side-effects listed above would return to normal within 1-2 weeks of discontinuing TREN.

Hair loss seems to be fairly mild or non-existent with TREN because it doesn't convert to DHT, nor does it have an intrinsic androgenic potency powerful enough to cause hair loss in most men. Liver stress is minimal as well because TREN is non-methylated.

Running an anti-estrogen with TREN will offer no additional value since TREN cannot convert to estrogen, nor will it cause estrogen levels to increase.

* Loss of libido can be mostly avoided by supplementing with Dermacrine or Sustain Alpha during the cycle. These products support the body's sex drive.

** Vitex at 460mg/day can be used to help avoid itchy nipples or gyno. Keeping the dose of TREN Liqua-Vade below 150mg/day will also help avoid any problems with gyno.



The Taste of TREN - Dosing

We flavored oral TREN with a pleasant Vanilla Ice Cream flavor, but I have to warn you of something.

The first thing you will notice if you take a direct shot of TREN to the mouth is the burn. This is the nature of pure TREN. If you want the "full experience" then go right ahead and take the direct shot, but don't say I didn't warn you.

If it's too much for you, I personally recommend "Option 3 - The Worm Shot" to avoid the oral burn.



You will take TREN Liqua-Vade 3x per day to keep blood levels as steady as possible. This will help minimize side-effects by keeping blood levels from spiking, while also ensuring you get the best results.

We recommend two different dosing protocols based on your experience -

Moderate dose -- 2mL, three times daily.

OR

Maximum dose -- 3mL, three times daily.​

If you are going to run the recommended dose of 2mL three times per day then your bottle will last 6 weeks. If running the maximum dose of 3mL three times per day then your bottle will last 4 weeks.

We recommend not exceeding a 4 week cycle if you run the full maximum dose.



Keeping Gains with the Recovery Stack​




The Xtreme Hardcore Muscle Stack will provide you with 1 bottle of TREN Liqua-Vade and a full 30-day post cycle therapy (PCT).

This stack will have you completely covered for your cycle of 1-T TREN, and your recovery after the cycle to ensure you keep as much gains as possible. (and it will save you about $20)

Check it out here - Xtreme Hardcore Muscle Stack



Guaranteed to Transform
Obviously, we won't be able to accept return on this product 8 weeks from now, but here is an offer -

Take a 5mL hit as soon as your bottle of TREN Liqua-Vade arrives. Wait 5 minutes. If it doesn't make you feel like a raging animal capable of tearing a tree from the ground, send it back to me, and I'll make sure you get a full refund. Heck, I'll save the bottle for my next cycle, or give it to anyone of the employees here who have been dying to snag a bottle from our warehouse.



The Final Call​

The price for our limited edition TREN Liqua-Vade is $79.95.

That's 80 bucks for a 6 week supply, or a 4 week supply if you want to run the ultra high dose.

Go ahead and search online to find a comparable product at a better price. I can tell you with certainty that it does not exist. Our goal with TREN Liqua-Vade was to produce the most potent TREN product ever seen by the industry, and offer it for an incredible value.

If you missed out on the last bottles of 1-T TREN, don't miss out on this. Remember, we only have 500 bottles of TREN Liqua-Vade.

If you're lucky enough to get a bottle I thank you for supporting us.

Enjoy your new muscle growth for 2010!


Yours in health & fitness,

Eric Potratz
Primordial Founder & President

Questions?

Phone - 1-503-841-6702
Email - [email protected]
Visit - Primordial Performance




References -

1. Towards the mapping of the progesterone and androgen receptors.
Ojasoo et al.
J Steroid Biochem. 27 (1-3):255-69, 1987

2. A comparison of progestin and androgen receptor binding using the CoMFA technique.
Loughney DA, et al.
J Comput Aided Mol Des. Dec;6 (6);589-81, 1992

3. Unique steroid congeners for receptor studies.
Ojasoo, Raynaud.
Cancer Research 38 (1978) 4186-98

4. Disposition of 17 beta-trenbolone in humans.
Spranger, et al.Â
J Chromatogr 564 (1991) 485-92
:32::32: this is freakin great:D
 
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Ya expect to see an order from me lol.
 
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What is the feedback on Tren and hairloss? How do you think this will affect someone already experiencing hairloss/mpb?
 
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is the pct that comes with the stack adiquite enough, or should something else be takin too?
 
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So there is 1 less in stock now lol :bigok:
 
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just curious whats everyone gettin? the stack or just the TREN Liqua-Vade
 
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This is not liver toxic like most ph's?
I wouldn't say that "most" are non-toxic; it all depends what you're dealing with in terms of the compound and delivery. Our product here is utilizing technology. It allows for minimal hepatic (liver) stress while delivering good absortion/effects. :)



What is the feedback on Tren and hairloss? How do you think this will affect someone already experiencing hairloss/mpb?
The anecdotal feedback with our 1-T Tren product and hair loss has been few and far between. If you have genetic predispostion for MPB (a non-modifiable risk factor), anytime you add an exogenous androgen source you can potentiate the underlying issue. This can/will vary with the individual.
 
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What is the feedback on Tren and hairloss? How do you think this will affect someone already experiencing hairloss/mpb?
Hairloss wouldnt be a problem for most men. TREN lacks any real androgenic potency (compared to DHT) so hair loss may actually be prevented in some men since it will be reducing DHT levels by HPTA suppression.

-Eric
 
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Hm, if that is the case...how would it stack w/ a DHT derivative like Havoc or Epistane?
 
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Hm, if that is the case...how would it stack w/ a DHT derivative like Havoc or Epistane?
Yeah... but that still isn't actual DHT and it probably wont be strong enough to act as a replacement. Nothing on the market matches the androgenic power of DHT. We have alot of customers who run test cream on their scrotum to bump up DHT levels... or our Dermacrine to try and get the DHT conversion from the DHEA.

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This product seems to be special. However do you honestly feel that the PCT you sell along with it is sufficient for such a compound? I see a lot of recommendations for SERMs and other additions to ensure complete recovery? How bad is this supplement going to shut you down? Is it best to keep the cycle to a 6 weeker with the lower dose? What can you say about recovery supplementation?
 
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This product seems to be special. However do you honestly feel that the PCT you sell along with it is sufficient for such a compound? I see a lot of recommendations for SERMs and other additions to ensure complete recovery? How bad is this supplement going to shut you down? Is it best to keep the cycle to a 6 weeker with the lower dose? What can you say about recovery supplementation?
If your running the higher dose you will be 100% shutdown so we recommend only a 4 week cycle at that dose. Definitely dont go any longer than 6 weeks.

The TRS is what I would use for PCT, but I usually always stick to 4-6 week cycles. If you go longer than this you will need hCG and possibly a SERM.

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Yeah... but that still isn't actual DHT and it probably wont be strong enough to act as a replacement. Nothing on the market matches the androgenic power of DHT. We have alot of customers who run test cream on their scrotum to bump up DHT levels... or our Dermacrine to try and get the DHT conversion from the DHEA.

-Eric
test cream on the scrote atw. im finishing up a 6 week 1t run and i was horny the entire time. i bought 4 bottles tren to stack with 1t next and also use the test cream again
 
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2 years from the manufacture date; it will e listed on the side of the bottle.
Yeah, it will meet label claims for atleast two years... and probably be fine to use 3-4 years down the road.

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Ordered 2! Hoping to unload some of the topical I have for the upgrade!
 
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Yeah, it will meet label claims for atleast two years... and probably be fine to use 3-4 years down the road.

-Eric
Oh absolutely. If stored right the could last well past the labeled expiration date. I've got a good study on expiration dates and compound degredation that that I need to find and post up.
 
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Would that be possible to pick it up in Portland from your office? Thanks.
 
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Hey Eric or Trauma....why just the straight Tren now, without the 1T and such as with the topical?
 
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Very interested.
Would that be possible to pick it up in Portland from your office? Thanks.
Yeah, no prob. It would be easiest if you could call the order in and pay with CC over the phone though. Then we could arrange pick up at the warehouse.

-Eric
 
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Would stacking the dermacrine w/ the tren be a good idea?
 
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Would stacking the dermacrine w/ the tren be a good idea?
Absolutely; The test conversion from DHEA will help with both libido and gains. That's what makes having "Tren" an individual product so great. It gives you many different options in formulating a given cycle depending on what you're looking to accomplish.

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So what would be better here, (or best)...the 1-T, the Dermacrine, or the Sustain along w/ the Tren?

What's the best combo for gaining mass?
 
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ok i wanna buy this but i would not use a serm so would you suggest i still do the minimum dose on 2ml for 6 weeks 3 times a day or do you think i should cut it to a 4 week cycle ...


And 1 more question before i buy is their a good chance of getting gyno from this product ????? cuz i dont have nothing to combat it.
 
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So what would be better here, (or best)...the 1-T, the Dermacrine, or the Sustain along w/ the Tren?

What's the best combo for gaining mass?
If you're going for overall mass, I'd suggest the Tren LV stacked with 1-T; but Tren LV and Dermacrine LV would be friendlier on the libido, and still give pretty good gains.

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can sum 1 answer my question plz about using this stuff without a serm as im worried about gyno but i really wanna run this stuff before i lose my chance 2
 
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i would have one on hand. but you could probably get away with vitex and ATD in case something springs up.

I personally would use torem, sustain, and endoamp as pct for this as i was shutdown hard and got back to normal really fast.
 
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i would have one on hand. but you could probably get away with vitex and ATD in case something springs up.

I personally would use torem, sustain, and endoamp as pct for this as i was shutdown hard and got back to normal really fast.
whats vitex or atd lol .. i was looking to to just use their own test recovery stack but if you think this compound is abit hard on shut down maybe i should just go easy and use their dermacrine or hdrol .....

its just i want a bottle and to use 1 of these beasts before they all gone for good :(
 
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if this is your first cycle i would advise you run h-drol and buy this tren and store it for 6 mths down the road for your 2nd cycle. but deff get this now while you can. PP has my full faith, they are a great company


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-does 1-t LV put any stress on the liver at all? or is it minimal
-would lathargy be the same as 1-t tren bc of the nature of DHEA and 1-test?
-Pct is still needed with 1-t right, but i assume its much less suppressive than tren
 
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if this is your first cycle i would advise you run h-drol and buy this tren and store it for 6 mths down the road for your 2nd cycle. but deff get this now while you can. PP has my full faith, they are a great company


q for PP reps, does 1-t LV put any stress on the liver at all? or is it minimal
would lathargy be the same as 1-t tren bc of the nature of DHEA and 1-test?
ok yeah cool i was actually planning for it to be my second cycle as everyone says hdrol is for newbs lol ... so i really wanna try that anyway .

Whats the risk of gyno from this product though does anyone get it much .... does it being a liquid vade make it less probable ?
 
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i was ripped after my first cycle of h-drol, its mild but a great product esp for 1st cycle or cutting. gainded 8-10lbs with correct diet but i didnt know what a correct pct was so my strength was lost.

gyno from tren is deff possible but unlikely. I never experienced anything from it only lathargy and back pumps. I would run it 5 weeks so like 2ml wk 1-3.5 and then 3 till end of wk 5

i would use bulk-1 carboxy to lower the chances of gyno. take at night only
 
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ok yeah cool i was actually planning for it to be my second cycle as everyone says hdrol is for newbs lol ... so i really wanna try that anyway .

Whats the risk of gyno from this product though does anyone get it much .... does it being a liquid vade make it less probable ?
Actual permanent gyno is not really a concern but some guys running a high dose of TREN notice "nipple sensitivity", itchiness or temporary "puffiness". This stuff goes back to normal after the cycle though.

If the symptoms start getting real annoying and continue for 1-2 weeks then discontinue the product. But so far, nobody has had that serious of a problem, and if it was a problem 460mg/day of vitex would make it go away. (vitex is cheap, like $4 for a months supply)

Also, if you are concerned about gyno stick to the lower dose of 2ml three times a day.

-Eric
 

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