First offering form Juggernaut Nutrition
- 08-12-2005, 05:12 PM
- 08-12-2005, 05:14 PM
08-12-2005, 05:17 PM
Does Bruce Kneller own Juggernaut? I'm confused. How does he have the power to prevent CNW from selling Juggernaut's stuff??
08-12-2005, 05:26 PM
he said he has a pentent pending and is going to file lawsuits against others that have atd products
08-12-2005, 05:28 PM
I was told I would recive a letter advising of his patnet pending staus and that I owuld risk some kind of legal liability.
08-12-2005, 05:32 PM
Then why in the hell is PA selling it as well as the owner of Juggernaut. And I thought BB.com was planning on selling the entire line of Juggernaut products so how are they different from you.Originally Posted by custom
I also thought Matt Cahill came up with ATD am I wrong? What would BK have anything to do with it.
08-12-2005, 05:35 PM
08-12-2005, 05:41 PM
No offense to BK or anything, but he's being a prick. First off, if it can be patented then it can't be in a nutritional supplement. Why? Because supplement law requires that the supplement be naturally occuring in the food supply. No naturally occuring food product may be patented.
If he patents it, it will be as a new drug. Good luck with that one, BK. Have fun with Phase 3. Btw, where are you going to get the $800 million it costs to run enough Phase 3 trials for FDA submission? Nevermind the pre-clinical, Phase 1, Phase 2a, and Phase 2b trials leading up to that point.
08-12-2005, 05:45 PM
He's a pretty smart guy though and I have nothing against him. I guess I will just weight out my choices and maybe speak with some othe rfolks who may have had similar situations.
08-12-2005, 05:59 PM
08-12-2005, 06:06 PM
08-12-2005, 06:13 PM
08-12-2005, 06:54 PM
That's what I thought too, but I've never really studied up on it. Can anyone with any legal schooling clarify this further?Originally Posted by DAdams91982
08-12-2005, 07:33 PM
I believe if the patent is pending, you can not copy it. You must wait to see if the patent is granted.
08-12-2005, 11:36 PM
From what I understand "patent pending" simply means a patent has been applied for. While you can't sue for a "patent pending" once/if the patent is granted then litigation can be pursued. This becomes retro active back to the patent pending stage.Originally Posted by N4cer
08-13-2005, 03:05 PM
Right. But, in my opinion, it's utter bullcrap that this patent will ever be approved. The threat is empty. Author pulled the same crap with Ergo. Bottom line is, if a company makes a compound, it will be copied. The trick is to get a head start, keep it secret, make as much money as you can before the copying begins. BK knows that threatening lawsuits buys him more time to sell product. It's a great tactic and as you can see works wonders. Bruce is a smart guy, no doubt.Originally Posted by ersatz
08-14-2005, 03:59 AM
if a patent was approved you can retroactively (sue and) colect use fees.
anyway I doubt this has anything to do with patents. sounds more like straight up bullying
"will nail you for something if you compete with us, patent or no patent"
I would just ignore him, until he will send you a piece of the regarding legislation.
08-14-2005, 04:13 AM
08-14-2005, 01:57 PM
It means that if BK gets a patent, he could then sue for royalties.Originally Posted by DAdams91982
08-14-2005, 02:09 PM
for pct, yes, but what about those of us that like to run NHA stack?Originally Posted by t_dot_porkchop
08-14-2005, 02:32 PM
08-14-2005, 02:38 PM
I believe this is why he was inquiring about the Non-Hormonal Stack.Originally Posted by t_dot_porkchop
08-14-2005, 02:39 PM
Isn't "NHA stack" simply running some good supplements appropriately like you should anyway, controlling cortisol and insulin? If so, it would have little to do with ATD, which is questionable anyway.
08-14-2005, 02:40 PM
08-14-2005, 02:42 PM
I love when people bastardize juice terms and use them for supps like NO2 and creatine.
A non-hormonal stack sounds like someone is trying to sound cool by using the term stack. LOL! How gay!
08-14-2005, 02:57 PM
NHA is a stack comprising Activate and RXT...which is ATD.
And no one is trying to sound "cool" when they say Non-Hormonal stack...that is what DS calls their RXT and Activate stack for christ's sake.
90% of AAS users should not be using them. There is no way they have maxed out their natural potential. If they eat more they will grow. People think 21 is a magic number telling them "Yay now your...go poke yourself now"...there is nothing magic about the age 21...you should not use any type of gear until you plateau for atleast a year with a diet/routine in check.
However, less than 10% of users ever bother.
08-14-2005, 03:01 PM
Yeah, I think they're trying to play the marketing hype game with that. Just like the companies used to say you have to cycle creatine. They used that to relate it to hormonal issues too.Originally Posted by SigEp05
08-14-2005, 03:02 PM
by refering to your age, i just meant that a NHA wouldnt really benefit you as your hormone levels are high already.
NHA simply has the potential to raise test to what it could be, not higher than it can be (like taking external test). thats why it best to take this as your hormones levels begin to taper (ie towards your 30's and higher). however, a blood test can confirm if you should take NHA or not.
*i meant no offence BTW italionstallion*
08-14-2005, 04:29 PM
not a problemOriginally Posted by t_dot_porkchop
i wasn't trying to sound like an internet pimp using abbreviations for everything. its exactly what sigep said---DS uses that term for their RXT + Activate stack, so i figured it was an acceptable way to say that.
sorry if i got some of your guy's panties in a bunch.
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
sadly enough, thats what everyone does.Originally Posted by N4cer
the thinking is if your not hyping your product up to the masses(which don't know the difference between Testosterone and Creatine), your not doing it right...
I have a great deal of respect for those supp companies that have not stooped down to that level...oddly enough, a majority of these companies are sponsors of this board B).
When was the last time you saw an AL or DS ad in Muscle and Fitness?
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