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    trendione is on the banned list so better stock up now, 2000 bottles on pre-sale now ships by 12/23 next batch not available for 6 more weeks..........


    Text of S.4032 as Introduced in Senate: Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2010 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress


    even though it was a 2010 bill they are still wanting to ban it


    Nomenclature:


    Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione



    Synonyms:



    Trenavar, Trendione



    History:



    This is a brand new prohormone from PHF/IBE, never seen before on the prohormone or pharmaceutical market.



    Function:



    This is a prohormone to the veterinary drug and black-market
    bodybuilding steroid trenbolone. Unlike previous "tren" prohormones,
    this one actually converts in the body to trenbolone. Previous "tren"
    PHs converted to the structurally similar - but markedly weaker -
    steroid dienolone.



    Structure:



    This prohormone has the same three conjugated double bonds as
    trenbolone, and differs from it only in that this hormone has a
    17-ketone, where trenbolone has a 17b-hydroxy function. In the body this
    ketone will be readily hydrolysed by 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase
    type 1 (17b-HSD1) into the active form, trenbolone.



    Effects:



    Conversion to trenbolone should be high, so effects should be identical
    to the injectable form - with the exception of the famed "tren cough".
    Whatever the explanation for "tren cough" (and many have been
    suggested), since it's a reaction to the sudden parenteral introduction
    of some compound directly into the body, it's highly unlikely that any
    orally administered compound will have the same effect.

    Trenbolone is one of the strongest injectable steroids on the market, so effects experienced from Trenavar can be expected to be largely the same - huge strength and size increases, accelerated fat loss, and enhanced vascularity.



    Side Effects:



    Blood pressure is likely to be dose-dependently elevated to a
    significant degree, cholesterol levels and liver function markers are
    likely to be adversely affected, though to what extent remains to be
    seen. Commonly reported trenbolone sides include night-sweats, mood
    swings, androgenic hair loss and/or growth, temporary loss of libido, as
    well as the suppression of endogenous testosterone production, and it
    would be sensible to assume that these may also result from use of Trenavar.





    Metabolism and Bioavailability:



    Warning: if you're not interested in advanced steroid metabolism
    discussion, skip over this section. If you want solid info on how and
    why an oral tren PH should work, read on.



    The anabolic effects of trenbolone are due in part to the enhanced
    androgen receptor binding that the conjugated double bond system causes
    [1], and also because trenbolone is an antagonist of the glucocorticoid
    receptor [2]. The double bonds extending up the backbone of the steroid
    flattens the steroid considerably, which makes it an excellent fit for
    the androgen receptor. It also makes the molecule much more flexible,
    and therefore less receptor-specific [3]. Trenbolone is incapable of
    being affected by 5a-reductase, 5b-reductase, or aromatase. But will it
    work orally?



    The first place to turn to for information on steroids is the seminal
    1969 work Androgens and Anabolic Agents by Julius Vida. Unfortunately
    this compound isn't among the 666 compounds discussed there, and there's
    a shortage of information on trenbolone by oral adminstration. I was
    fortunate enough to find a study which compared the anabolic effects of
    oral and subcutaneous application of trenbolone in rats [4], and the
    results were frankly startling. They found that to have a comparable
    anabolic effect, trenbolone needed to be administered orally at 100
    times the dosage as when administered by subcutaneous injection (see
    graph). Sounds pretty bad for a tren PH then, right? Well, the good news
    is we're not rats.





    Trenbolone is metabolised differently in different species - in rats,
    around 40% is excreted as a dione form, as well as several metabolites
    hydroxylated in various positions [5], but in man only one metabolite
    has been identified - the 17a-epimer [6].







    The ratio of excreted trenbolone (17b-trenbolone) to epitrenbolone (17a-trenbolone) is estimated at 1:5 in a 24hr period [7].



    What this means is that although Trenavar
    is a prohormone to trenbolone, it doesn't appear to be a significant
    metabolite in humans. The equilibrium of the reaction between 17-one and
    17b-ol appears to be weighted heavily - in fact pretty much exclusively
    - in favour of the 17b-ol, so Trenavar
    should convert readily to the active form trenbolone. Once converted to
    trenbolone, it will be open to the same metabolism mechanisms as
    injectable tren - conversion via sulfatase to epitrenbolone and
    excretion as glucoronides.



    Of course, this is largely conjecture, since neither trenbolone nor a
    precursor to it has ever been on the supplement market before... or has
    it?

    A few years ago ALRI released an encapsulated product called "Methoxy
    TRN", advertised as containing "17b-methoxytrienbolone". This was
    quickly pulled from the shelves soon after its release, leaving only a
    few highly-collectable bottles and a reputation for tremendous strength
    and size gains and roadmap vascularity. This supplement was tested in
    2008, and the researchers discovered the tell-tale mass spectra of
    trenbolone (and no sign of the advertised methoxy group) [8].



    Detection Limits:



    An anti-doping study from 1996 found that orally administered trenbolone
    was detectable by mass spectrometry for two to four days after a single
    administration, unlike injectable trenbolone, which is detectable for
    much longer [9]. The detection of trenbolone after administration of Trenavar
    is likely to follow similar lines, though detection methods may have
    improved since then. Athletes subjected to doping tests should of course
    avoid this and all other prohibited performance-enhancing products
    altogether.





    Dosages and Cycle Durations:



    Empirical evidence is the only way to determine this; once the product
    has been used by enough people we'll have a better idea of how much, and
    for how long, Trenavar is best used.



    References



    [1] Steroids 74 (2009) 172197



    [2] Acta Endocrinologica, Vol 110, 1 Suppla, S129-S130



    [3] J Steroid Biochem 1979;13:4559.



    [4] Toxicol Sci. 2002;70:202211.



    [5] Xenobiotica. 1981 Jul;11(7):489-500.



    [6] Biol. Mass Spectrom. 20 (1991) 459466.



    [7] Recent advances in doping analysis (2). (1995) 269-274.



    [8] Anal Chim Acta. 2009 Apr 1;637(1-2):92-100.



    [9] Recent advances in doping analysis (3). (1996) 83-94.Share

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    You guys had beta testers, but I haven't seen results posted anywhere. what were the results and feedback from the beta testers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadi View Post
    You guys had beta testers, but I haven't seen results posted anywhere. what were the results and feedback from the beta testers?
    Heres one I found

    Trenavar Beta Testing, 30days
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post
    thanks, I was looking for a log with numbers. I'll wait for the next batch, since I do not plan on running it any time soon. Hopefully more logs will be out around dosing and bloodwork.
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    Tren is cool but I want dbol already lol
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    1) WHERE do we purchase it?
    2) Will it come in caps or liquid form
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    1) WHERE do we purchase it?
    2) Will it come in caps or liquid form
    1-cant say, its against the rules here at am.com
    2-caps, unless Im mistaken
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    Arrggg
    It's NOT on IBE's products site either

    Quote Originally Posted by RoadBlocK View Post
    1-cant say, its against the rules here at am.com
    2-caps, unless Im mistaken
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    Plz ibe help.

    The product image of the packet says tablets but the facts which show compound and dose say capsules... Which is it tablets or caps?

    It says presale 2000 bottles but the picture is of a packet... Which is it bottle or packet??

    Hopefully I can get some answers because this information greatly dictates wether or not I will be ordering.
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    Can someone please pm me as to where I can purchase some. Reps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugen112
    Plz ibe help.

    The product image of the packet says tablets but the facts which show compound and dose say capsules... Which is it tablets or caps?

    It says presale 2000 bottles but the picture is of a packet... Which is it bottle or packet??

    Hopefully I can get some answers because this information greatly dictates wether or not I will be ordering.
    No answers?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mh625 View Post
    Can someone please pm me as to where I can purchase some. Reps?
    google trenavar presale
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashman View Post
    google trenavar presale
    Thanks, I googled Trenavar then IBE Trenavar, never even thought of adding in the presale, kinda feel like a dumba$$ now.
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    Pretty sure this stuff ids the prohormone to Tren so with adequate dosing, it should feel just like Tren

    Anyone - Feel free to jump in here if I am wrong. I thought I read that somewhere!?!?



    Quote Originally Posted by fadi View Post
    You guys had beta testers, but I haven't seen results posted anywhere. what were the results and feedback from the beta testers?
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    There is another thread in the Anabolics section about it. Couple of the testers explained their results.
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    Just curious but if this on the ban list, why or how are they able to produce and sell it? Or how does it vary from previous tren products that some of us have seen? I LOVE the old TREN, it treats me good
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugen112
    Plz ibe help.

    The product image of the packet says tablets but the facts which show compound and dose say capsules... Which is it tablets or caps?

    It says presale 2000 bottles but the picture is of a packet... Which is it bottle or packet??

    Hopefully I can get some answers because this information greatly dictates wether or not I will be ordering.
    Ibe rep cannot help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugen112 View Post
    Ibe rep cannot help?
    I'll see what I can find out.
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    I'm somewhat skeptical about this. They want to ban it and it's just now released? I dunno. I have used actual trenbolone before stuff made me really strong and really mean lol
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    Where are the logs?
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    that write up is wrong and IBE/PHF is well aware of that......

    trendione is certainly a metabolite of trenbolone and the source epitrenbolone is not sulfoconjugation it is through trenavars direct interaction with 17a-hsd

    so fix up the article and let the consumers know that trendione (trenavar) will move forward to some trenbolone, some epitrenbolone, and some won't even go forward with the reaction and stay as trendione

    trendione will not go "exclusively" to trenbolone like you are claiming
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    Interesting

    Thaks Choc

    If accurate, what will the NON-tren metabolites do? Are they inert? Do they exert some activity? f so, what?

    So what can be expected with this stuff now that it MIGHTR NOT be 'only tren' ?

    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    that write up is wrong and IBE/PHF is well aware of that......

    trendione is certainly a metabolite of trenbolone and the source epitrenbolone is not sulfoconjugation it is through trenavars direct interaction with 17a-hsd

    so fix up the article and let the consumers know that trendione (trenavar) will move forward to some trenbolone, some epitrenbolone, and some won't even go forward with the reaction and stay as trendione

    trendione will not go "exclusively" to trenbolone like you are claiming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Interesting

    Thaks Choc

    If accurate, what will the NON-tren metabolites do? Are they inert? Do they exert some activity? f so, what?

    So what can be expected with this stuff now that it MIGHTR NOT be 'only tren' ?
    the major metabolites will be trenbolone, it's epimer epitrenbolone which is inactive, and you'll also have some fully intact trendione (trenavar) which is also inactive

    you can expect to get less trenbolone out of it than what is being claimed
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    Thanks Choc

    Given the aforementioned info, what do you suggest a decent dosing regimen?

    PS: Half life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks Choc

    Given the aforementioned info, what do you suggest a decent dosing regimen?

    PS: Half life?
    can't really answer what will be good dosing as there is no information on relative ratios of metabolites at equilibrium

    half life should be similar to other orals

    if you want in depth information on trenavar here is a good thread but requires some decent understanding of organic chemistry.. if you dont understand something in it i would be happy to explain Trenavar equilibrium
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    Is there an ETA on the next batch?
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    No one can say if this will have good or bad conversion to the target hormone.
    Saying something is a direct precursor doesn't mean it can convert into other stuff. But it will vary person to person like all other pro hormones in effectiveness.
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    interesting. ive never run a tren compound before. how hard was the shutdown for the beta testers? ive heard it crushes libido and mines already extinct as it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Is there an ETA on the next batch?
    ^This^
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    I just received mine in the mail. I got the one with 90 15 mg tablets instead of 90 10 mg. Looking forward to running it.
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    Now that's more like it, 45mg!

    Wait, are you sure its not 60 15mg tabs instead of 90 10mg tabs?
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    I am sure. PHF sent me an email. apparently there was a packaging mix up. Originally it was 60 15 mg tabs. They decided to change it to 90 10 mg tabs for better dosing options. But the supplier accidentally packaged 90 15 mg tabs on the last batch so im excited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysanchez
    I am sure. PHF sent me an email. apparently there was a packaging mix up. Originally it was 60 15 mg tabs. They decided to change it to 90 10 mg tabs for better dosing options. But the supplier accidentally packaged 90 15 mg tabs on the last batch so im excited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    interesting. ive never run a tren compound before. how hard was the shutdown for the beta testers? ive heard it crushes libido and mines already extinct as it is
    it shouldnt if run properly, trenbolone is an androgen, should increase libido, and in my exp that was the case, so if trenavar converts at any rate, which id assume low, it shouldnt impact libido if you set up your cycle properly.......dht derrivitives help some....masteron did in my case so something like androhard would be beneficial
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    Quote Originally Posted by sking6464 View Post
    it shouldnt if run properly, trenbolone is an androgen, should increase libido, and in my exp that was the case, so if trenavar converts at any rate, which id assume low, it shouldnt impact libido if you set up your cycle properly.......dht derrivitives help some....masteron did in my case so something like androhard would be beneficial
    gotcha. thanks for the reply. i already have 2 bottles of androhard sitting waiting to be used. from the logs ive seen thus far, its looking like v3 is pretty mild. i still havent read anything mind blowing

    really debating going to balls to the wall and just running some heavy duty products. my stash is riddled with them. currently have test e, anadrol, boladrol (beta run version), ultradrol, pp 1-T (half bottle), epistrong, max-lmg. oh and the 2 bottles of androhard V3. needless to say i have some options lol
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    No Disrespect but I have never heard of Tren INCREASING libido

    Tren is considered a libido killer

    Quote Originally Posted by sking6464 View Post
    it shouldnt if run properly, trenbolone is an androgen, should increase libido, and in my exp that was the case, so if trenavar converts at any rate, which id assume low, it shouldnt impact libido if you set up your cycle properly.......dht derrivitives help some....masteron did in my case so something like androhard would be beneficial
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    If thats the case, would it have made more sense to buy REAL fina pellets (Amazon.com + EBay) and eat those despite the 10% absorption rate? At least you know what youre getting. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No one can say if this will have good or bad conversion to the target hormone.
    Saying something is a direct precursor doesn't mean it can convert into other stuff. But it will vary person to person like all other pro hormones in effectiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    If thats the case, would it have made more sense to buy REAL fina pellets (Amazon.com + EBay) and eat those despite the 10% absorption rate? At least you know what youre getting. LOL
    its been done before... it works too, but of course not as strong as inject.
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    Yeah, I know - Thanks. Ive been on these boards (not just this one of course) for 10+ years LOL

    I even remember someone claiming to have actually used the implant gun on himself! I crap u not! LOLOLOL

    Back in the day, the FAD was to grind Fina Pellets up and throw it into 4-AD spray - BOOM!

    Killer cycle! Ran it myself

    Eating the pellets was always supposed to regarded as expensive due to the POOR absorpton rates <10%



    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    its been done before... it works too, but of course not as strong as inject.
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