- 11-29-2006, 03:13 AM
- 11-29-2006, 08:14 AM
I eat lots of broccolli and berries. Berries are easy you can just throw them in your oats or freeze them and blend in your protien shake. Blueberries and strawberries are my usual. Low in carbs and high in antioxidants too. Sometimes I get on a big melon kick too.. Watermelon, honey due, cantelope,..etc.
11-29-2006, 03:18 PM
Why?Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
A medium apple contains less than 10g of fructose. This ain't a can of corn syrup.
11-29-2006, 10:01 PM
Glen I am jealous here man! I wish I could gain on 2900-3k cals! It gets hard to eat the 5k a day I have been doing! I hear of some of these "larger" guys putting down 6-7k! I cant even imagine...
11-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Quite simply, I CKD. Fructose is a great saboteur of ketosis. Granted, I do partake in fruit on my frequent refeeds, but for the most part I stay away from Fruits.Originally Posted by Moyer
10g of Fructose could put me over my quota in a day if I am not careful, and I do not have as much leeway in regards to liver glycogen stores with Fructose.
People are welcome to challenge the idea, and more power to them for their love of fruit.
This is what works well for me, as diets are very much individualized.
My apologies for hijacking the thread.
11-30-2006, 01:52 AM
11-30-2006, 01:59 PM
if you EVER hijack one of my threads again YOU'LL WISH YOU HADN'T!!!!:bruce1:Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
or i probably just won't say anything because you tend to have useful and informative things to say
either way ....
11-30-2006, 02:04 PM
<START HIJACK> hahaha sorry, but real quick, ubiq do you bulk on CKD or any other keto-type diets by any chance? always had problems bulking with high-carb diets and putting on fat, being lethargic, etc, but test running a semi-CKD type bulk and feeling great. <END HIJACK>
11-30-2006, 02:20 PM
as opposed to a high carb bulking diet or a CDK why not try a high protein mod carbs and mod fats? ... personally i wouldn't gain on a cdk diet .. i'm not really sure how anyone could as you need carbs to build muscle
but try lowering your carbs and upping healthy fats and throw in some cardio 2 or 3 times a week to combat fat gain
12-01-2006, 02:11 AM
back to the fruit thing....I eat bananas, its like a staple for me i know its high in potassuim and taste great in shakes too! Bananas do a body good.
12-01-2006, 03:24 AM
exactly... I don't gain on CKD.. although I do gain strength.Originally Posted by glenihan
I gain when I do what Glen just pointed out... and I implement a moderate carb rotation with low-medium thoughout the week when I do.
I'm not scared of carbs, I just don't like fructose.. perhaps it's unfounded, but hey.. I never had a sweet tooth.
12-02-2006, 04:07 AM
I think whole fruit pre and/or posttraining is actually a good idea. A single fruit rarely hits 10g fructose. The good thing about a small amount of fructose is that it's the best substrate for replenishing liver glycogen. What most folks don't realize is that the liver is the 24-7 supplier of your blood's sugar level, even when you're not training. It's the only organ in your body that maintains your blood glucose levels. Muscle glycogen is pretty much locked for use during training by the muscle containing it.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
Another thing most folks don't realize is that along with muscle glycogen, liver glycogen gets significantly tapped into during training as well. Little know fact is that liver glycogen use is intensity-dependent to boot. Unless your weight training bouts are like Richard Simmons, you're hitting up liver glycogen. What's so important about liver glycogen support?? More than many are even aware of. Swelling/hydration of the liver cells is one of the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic signals in the body. This is achieved by making sure the so-called "fed state" is achieved via liver glycogenesis.
the thing people are typically afraid of with fructose is lipogenesis once glycogen stores are full. But alas, this is a misunderstanding. 1st of all, it would take a ****load of fruit to fill up hepatic glycogen stores to any degree of concern. And even in the event that glycogen storage depots are full, carbs will not necessarily get converted to bodyfat automatically. There could still a wide margin of energy/calories that need to be spent to support basal processes, as well as voluntary activity. Even if ALL the glycogen depots are full, the elevated thermic demand of the trained state determines that those carbs get used to generate ATP, and not converted to stored fat.
12-02-2006, 04:13 AM
Choose only the fruits you like the taste of, they're the ones your individual physiology likely favors.Originally Posted by glenihan
12-02-2006, 07:40 AM
12-03-2006, 08:48 PM
12-04-2006, 11:11 PM
hey glen, i was wondering what the reasoning is for taking metamucil before bedtime? I just barely noticed it under your diet...
12-05-2006, 03:50 PM
I can't resist but quote rapper/ex-pimp Suga Free: "If it's good TO ya, it must be good FOR ya". I agree with this, and so does much of Eastern medicine. Not to get all weird, but there's an Ayurvedic principle that states basically that our taste receptors "know" what's physiologically good for us as individuals. This is why everyone has a different list of favorite foods. For the most part, we still have the instinct/inborn ability to optimize our diets from a health & longevity standpoint -- by simply choosing the food subtypes we like the taste of. There's a strong psychosomatic connection. So in the case of fruit, if pick 1 or more types of your favorite fruit to consume throughout the week. If you can do 3 different types in a week, you're doing what you can to maximize variety. This is a good thing, since every plant & animal species in nature has a unique benefit to health - and in the BB context, a unique benefit to recovery & growth of lean tissue.Originally Posted by glenihan
12-05-2006, 04:05 PM
12-05-2006, 04:06 PM
to get extra fiber in my diet and keep everything moving along freely i feel better since i've started doing itOriginally Posted by Buff Bagwell
12-05-2006, 05:10 PM
The principle mainly applies to whole foods. But if you can find Big Macs growing on trees in your area, then by all means...Originally Posted by glenihan
12-05-2006, 06:09 PM
12-06-2006, 03:00 AM
I hear Ronnie Mcdonald grows Big Macs in the Amazon... and Chicken McNuggets in Chernobyl.
I like that Ayurvedic way of thinking.
12-11-2006, 10:33 AM
Hey Alan,Originally Posted by alan aragon
Could you expound on this? More precise definition of "trained state" and approximate (or maximum) amount of carbs. Any formal references to this that you could point to?
12-11-2006, 01:55 PM
I've read that de novo lipogenesis as a result of carbs would take massive overfeeds for days on end, so the effect of a single meal while your cells are like blast furnaces (during & immediately posttraining) would be less than negligible. Trained state refers to the increased sensitivity to insulin, receptivity by lean tissue to fuels, increased thermogenesis, increased beta adrenergic activity, etc, etc. Maximum amount of carbs before lipogenesis occurs would be tough to pin down, because by the end of the day, it wouldn't matter anyway if your net fat balance isn't positive. Nother words, let's say you ate a box of entemann's cinnamon rolls postworkout, but by the end of the day or week, it didn't contribute to a caloric surplus of unused kcals, then you're fine. That's the whole concept behind refeeds, it's tough for them to be acutely lipogenic, and even tougher for them to be chronically lipogenic if thermo balance & training were in check.Originally Posted by t-bone2
12-11-2006, 02:50 PM
Thanks, that's great news. Especially since those Entemann's cinnamon buns come twelve to a pack. Means I can scarf one down between each interval during at HIIT session!
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