the mayo only has 1 gram of saturated fat and 4 grams of unsaturated .. i'm really not concerned over it
good link though
What's up Glen.
Judging from your pic, your diet definitely works. But for general health & lowering disease risk, some fruit & veggie will do you good. Even if you added a couple of measly fruits a day + a couple cups of something green, you'll suddenly be an international man of mystery, like Austin Powers.
haha i know you're right .. i really should
any suggestions on which fruits? veggies i can handle
who says you should?
ok wait I checked Alan's site.. screw it, I'm not going to argue with a nutritionist.
Alan, explain why Fruits and Veggies will turn Glen into this exalted man of mystery that we all strive to be.. .. If he's "carb sensitive", should he have his fruit pre and post training?
I'm definately not Alan, but I would guess that any fruit (whatever tastes good & is convenient for you) is much better than none.
Also, AFAIK, there are plenty of fruits that are fairly low GI. Apples, Pears, Strawberries, Oranges, etc. The fructose & fiber help to keep it down.
Fructose is exactly what i want to avoid.
I eat lots of broccolli and berries. Berries are easy you can just throw them in your oats or freeze them and blend in your protien shake. Blueberries and strawberries are my usual. Low in carbs and high in antioxidants too. Sometimes I get on a big melon kick too.. Watermelon, honey due, cantelope,..etc.
Why?Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
A medium apple contains less than 10g of fructose. This ain't a can of corn syrup.
Glen I am jealous here man! I wish I could gain on 2900-3k cals! It gets hard to eat the 5k a day I have been doing! I hear of some of these "larger" guys putting down 6-7k! I cant even imagine...
Quite simply, I CKD. Fructose is a great saboteur of ketosis. Granted, I do partake in fruit on my frequent refeeds, but for the most part I stay away from Fruits.Originally Posted by Moyer
10g of Fructose could put me over my quota in a day if I am not careful, and I do not have as much leeway in regards to liver glycogen stores with Fructose.
People are welcome to challenge the idea, and more power to them for their love of fruit.
This is what works well for me, as diets are very much individualized.
My apologies for hijacking the thread.
I understand. I didn't know you were on CKD.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
if you EVER hijack one of my threads again YOU'LL WISH YOU HADN'T!!!!:bruce1:Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
or i probably just won't say anything because you tend to have useful and informative things to say
either way ....
<START HIJACK> hahaha sorry, but real quick, ubiq do you bulk on CKD or any other keto-type diets by any chance? always had problems bulking with high-carb diets and putting on fat, being lethargic, etc, but test running a semi-CKD type bulk and feeling great. <END HIJACK>
as opposed to a high carb bulking diet or a CDK why not try a high protein mod carbs and mod fats? ... personally i wouldn't gain on a cdk diet .. i'm not really sure how anyone could as you need carbs to build muscle
but try lowering your carbs and upping healthy fats and throw in some cardio 2 or 3 times a week to combat fat gain
back to the fruit thing....I eat bananas, its like a staple for me i know its high in potassuim and taste great in shakes too! Bananas do a body good.
exactly... I don't gain on CKD.. although I do gain strength.Originally Posted by glenihan
I gain when I do what Glen just pointed out... and I implement a moderate carb rotation with low-medium thoughout the week when I do.
I'm not scared of carbs, I just don't like fructose.. perhaps it's unfounded, but hey.. I never had a sweet tooth.
I think whole fruit pre and/or posttraining is actually a good idea. A single fruit rarely hits 10g fructose. The good thing about a small amount of fructose is that it's the best substrate for replenishing liver glycogen. What most folks don't realize is that the liver is the 24-7 supplier of your blood's sugar level, even when you're not training. It's the only organ in your body that maintains your blood glucose levels. Muscle glycogen is pretty much locked for use during training by the muscle containing it.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
Another thing most folks don't realize is that along with muscle glycogen, liver glycogen gets significantly tapped into during training as well. Little know fact is that liver glycogen use is intensity-dependent to boot. Unless your weight training bouts are like Richard Simmons, you're hitting up liver glycogen. What's so important about liver glycogen support?? More than many are even aware of. Swelling/hydration of the liver cells is one of the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic signals in the body. This is achieved by making sure the so-called "fed state" is achieved via liver glycogenesis.
the thing people are typically afraid of with fructose is lipogenesis once glycogen stores are full. But alas, this is a misunderstanding. 1st of all, it would take a ****load of fruit to fill up hepatic glycogen stores to any degree of concern. And even in the event that glycogen storage depots are full, carbs will not necessarily get converted to bodyfat automatically. There could still a wide margin of energy/calories that need to be spent to support basal processes, as well as voluntary activity. Even if ALL the glycogen depots are full, the elevated thermic demand of the trained state determines that those carbs get used to generate ATP, and not converted to stored fat.
Choose only the fruits you like the taste of, they're the ones your individual physiology likely favors.Originally Posted by glenihan
Wow, that is very well said. Thank you for enlightening me Alan. I'd rep you again if I could.
can you explain this a bit more?Originally Posted by alan aragon