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    I think it is imperative that we shed some light on this topic. Does anyone know a lot about this?

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    Exercise upregulates muscular glut-4 expression, therefore structuring carbs around workouts ensure more of the calories are shuttled to muscle and not fat cells. What more is there to know?
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    Complex pre and simple post?
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    Research has showed complex to be superior in terms of less fat storage down the road but I usually eat simple carbs post workout. I like to have my watermelon post workout, theres no better NO product out then that.
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    Fruit would be the only high(ish) GI food that I would keep in my diet(no dex/malto) for a variety of reasons. Watermelon is especially good as not only is it high in citrulline(especially in the rind) but also shifts the pH of the body to the alkaline side. As BBers it is important we do this and both protein and carbs increase acidity. Lemons are also excellent for this. Jminis, have you ever tried the watermelon pre workout, ~30mins before working out? The NO effects are even better that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathead1987
    Lemons are also excellent for this.
    I tought that lemons increase acidity!!!
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    So watermelons PWO eh? I never noticed watermelons increasing NO activity before when I just ate them to be eating them but I guess I wasn't exactly paying attention either (not really looking at my vascularity while eating watermelons, but I will next time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathead1987
    Fruit would be the only high(ish) GI food that I would keep in my diet(no dex/malto) for a variety of reasons. Watermelon is especially good as not only is it high in citrulline(especially in the rind) but also shifts the pH of the body to the alkaline side. As BBers it is important we do this and both protein and carbs increase acidity. Lemons are also excellent for this. Jminis, have you ever tried the watermelon pre workout, ~30mins before working out? The NO effects are even better that way.
    meathead, do you know of any other foods that help with pH shift to alkaline ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathead1987
    Fruit would be the only high(ish) GI food that I would keep in my diet(no dex/malto) for a variety of reasons. Watermelon is especially good as not only is it high in citrulline(especially in the rind) but also shifts the pH of the body to the alkaline side. As BBers it is important we do this and both protein and carbs increase acidity. Lemons are also excellent for this. Jminis, have you ever tried the watermelon pre workout, ~30mins before working out? The NO effects are even better that way.

    I love to do watermelon pre/post workout. The other good thing is that the high GI load value is low. So you get a quick spike...it does it's deed...then it's gone.
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    plus watermelon is so damn GOOD!!!

    I have never eaten is pre-wo though only post-wo so I'll have to give it a shot to see if i notice the NO effects everyone here mentions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by djsasiccio
    I tought that lemons increase acidity!!!
    I would assume that too, but I was told by a nutritionalist that it has the opposite effect. he said it already is acidic, so needs to be neutralised to be digested, hence more alkaline conditions are promoted.

    And as for other foods that are alkalike:

    any friut/vegetable
    millet(the only alkalike carb source, others all shift the pH to acidic)
    almonds(the only alkaline nut)
    Apple cider vinegar(I use 30ml 3x a day)

    Unfortunately all decent protein sources are acidic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathead1987
    I would assume that too, but I was told by a nutritionalist that it has the opposite effect. he said it already is acidic, so needs to be neutralised to be digested, hence more alkaline conditions are promoted.

    And as for other foods that are alkalike:

    any friut/vegetable
    millet(the only alkalike carb source, others all shift the pH to acidic)
    almonds(the only alkaline nut)
    Apple cider vinegar(I use 30ml 3x a day)

    Unfortunately all decent protein sources are acidic.
    Not to be picky, but the body is already alkaline with a pH of 7.4, the idea is just that we're making it a bit more alkaline.

    Also, you're sort of right about the almonds. Supposedly, only raw almonds are known to be alkaline.

    Spinach is probably the best. Perhaps there was some validity to Popeye eating spinach.

    Here's a list of PRAL scores for various foods. This is the largest one I've been able to find yet:

    http://www.basica.de/english/downloa...asica_engl.pdf
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    Correct, but the pH induced by the diets of most BBers is shifted to the acidic end because of all the protein/carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meathead1987
    Fruit would be the only high(ish) GI food that I would keep in my diet(no dex/malto) for a variety of reasons. Watermelon is especially good as not only is it high in citrulline(especially in the rind) but also shifts the pH of the body to the alkaline side. As BBers it is important we do this and both protein and carbs increase acidity. Lemons are also excellent for this. Jminis, have you ever tried the watermelon pre workout, ~30mins before working out? The NO effects are even better that way.
    Yeah I eat it everyday all day bro, I love the stuff. It seems to keep my muscles full all day when I eat it on a regular basis and the pumps in the gym are an added bonus. You know its funny. Whenever I get my supps from natural sources instead of manufactured powders the effects are always 10x better. Hrmm makes you think
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    How much do you eat jminis? Do you just use a scale to weigh out the ounces so you know how many of each macronutrient you are getting?
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    Here's a novel question.

    If nutrient timing isn't that important and it doesn't matter much when you get your protein in, so long as tha net is relatively tha same on a day to day basis, why does it matter if you use a slower digesting protein such as micellar before bed? Seems like a waste unless one is dieting, even still I'm not sure as to its actually benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnlikelyToad
    Here's a novel question.

    If nutrient timing isn't that important and it doesn't matter much when you get your protein in, so long as tha net is relatively tha same on a day to day basis, why does it matter if you use a slower digesting protein such as micellar before bed? Seems like a waste unless one is dieting, even still I'm not sure as to its actually benefit.
    I have engaged in discussion regarding this before. For some, an endo like myself, I believe, and have seen (anecdotal) that it does not really matter that much, as far as I can tell, as long as my daily protein is requirement is met. The reasons I try to use a slower digesting protein before bed is that I train very early in the AM and have nothing more than a shake pre w/o. I am trying to optimize my nutrient timing, in this case slow(er) digesting protein before bed. I tend to use whole foods as opposed to powders to further slow the digetsion. I am not worried about being catabolic or less anabolic during my sleep, when I cannot consume, because I rarely get enough sleep to miss a meal or become catabolic

    JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    I love to do watermelon pre/post workout. The other good thing is that the high GI load value is low. So you get a quick spike...it does it's deed...then it's gone.
    The only problem is that watermelon is seasonal, and hard to find in my area when not in.

    Hey SJA, or anyone else in the know, how's pineapple post w/o? I was told to eat this for the spike and did it for about 6 months. Not too sure how it rates though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    The only problem is that watermelon is seasonal, and hard to find in my area when not in.

    Hey SJA, or anyone else in the know, how's pineapple post w/o? I was told to eat this for the spike and did it for about 6 months. Not too sure how it rates though.
    Pineapple has a glycemic load of 7 and a Gycemic Index of 59. Watermelon a GL of 4 and a GI of 72. Making them both relatively low GL. Pineapple a medium GI verses Watermelon high GI.

    Pineapple would still be good post workout, just not as much spike as the watermelon. Also pineapple contains protein digesting enzymes, so if protein is consumed as well post workout, pineapple would help the breakdown and absorption of the protein.
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    i searched around for some tables of Glycemic load, but couldnt really find anything. I'm trying to find a low glycemic load carb for dinner...i have been having whole wheat pasta.....thanks
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    Here's a good link to a GI and GL index and info. Hope this helps.



    http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by mab904
    Here's a good link to a GI and GL index and info. Hope this helps.



    http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
    Nice linkage there... Also, the chic in your avatar has a nice stomach...

    On a side note, anyone ever eat oats straight out of the can before a workout? I don't have access to anything to cook it in before I hit the gym today, and I need to get some complex cards in, sad thing is, I had to bring the oats from home..
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    I've eaten dry oats plenty of times. They seem to digest just fine with me. Can even mix them with some water and let them sit a while. Softens them up a bit. Stir in some protein powder if you have it and want a bit more flavor. Done that on occasion as well.

    Oh, thanks for the compliment on the flat stomach. That chick is me
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    I tend to eat my oats dry all the time. Take a spoonful, shovel, swig of water and swallow. I'm able to get a lot more down in a shorter amount of time than if I cook them properly. Just don't have too many
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    Cool beans... I was just seeking approval Didn't want to be the only weirdo eating dry oats lol

    38 years old and that stomach.. I bet that drives the hubby crazy!!
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    thanks for the link, thats exactly what i was looking for

    btw, you have a better stomach than pretty much every girl i know
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    Quote Originally Posted by mab904
    Pineapple has a glycemic load of 7 and a Gycemic Index of 59. Watermelon a GL of 4 and a GI of 72. Making them both relatively low GL. Pineapple a medium GI verses Watermelon high GI.

    Pineapple would still be good post workout, just not as much spike as the watermelon. Also pineapple contains protein digesting enzymes, so if protein is consumed as well post workout, pineapple would help the breakdown and absorption of the protein.
    Thanks for the info mab. Appreciate it. Oh, and nice link also.

    And...your stomach rocks!
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    hey magickk, grind up the oats in a coffee grinder, and put it in a shaker bottle. add in a scoop of protein powder for flavor and then when you are ready to drink just add water/milk and shake.

    takes about 5 min cuz its a little chunky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    hey magickk, grind up the oats in a coffee grinder, and put it in a shaker bottle. add in a scoop of protein powder for flavor and then when you are ready to drink just add water/milk and shake.

    takes about 5 min cuz its a little chunky.
    Bump on the grinder. When I get my box of oats it has two bags in it. I grind up one bags worth and put it in a large glass decanter and put the other bag of whole oats in the other decanter.

    I have a rack of 4 decanters: 1-protein, 2-CEE/Taurine/DiC, 3-ground oats, 4-whole oats. Pre workout I use them ground and post I use them whole.
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    do you drink whole oats PWO? if so, why do you have whole oats post and not ground--i find ground oats are much easier to drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    do you drink whole oats PWO? if so, why do you have whole oats post and not ground--i find ground oats are much easier to drink.
    seems to be more filling and satisfying until I eat my next whole food meal ~45-60 mins later. I have done it ground both pre and post...just a preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    hey magickk, grind up the oats in a coffee grinder, and put it in a shaker bottle. add in a scoop of protein powder for flavor and then when you are ready to drink just add water/milk and shake.

    takes about 5 min cuz its a little chunky.
    Bump that. I do the same thing.
  

  
 

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