Bulk or cut????

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  1. Bulk or cut????


    Iím currently bulking and have put on some good mass over the winter but Iím running into the problem of thinking about summer and canít decide if I want cut and get shredded or keep bulking. My primary goal is building muscle so the obvious answer would be to bulk but I donít want to add to much fat and be unhappy with myself and I donít want to cut and be shredded but not look very big. Can someone tell me how to post pics from your phone so yíall can help me decide? Lol


  2. What's your current stats for us to provide you with more info.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by paul56778 View Post
    What's your current stats for us to provide you with more info.
    22 years old
    5’8
    186-190 lbs
    16 inch arms
    25 inch quads
    15 inch calves
    44-44.5 inch chest I can’t remember
    And I would guess 12-15% bf I can see my top 4 abs and the tops barely of 5 and 6

  4. I would lean bulk from where you are now until you reach desired goal as fat as mass gain is concerned, i tend to keep bulking until abs are almost completely gone and then cut harsh for an 8-10 week period, if you want to keep bulking i feel you are lean enough based on image to keep packing on more muscle. i would keep bulking for another couple of months, summer is still a while away and you have plenty of time to get shredded, where i am over in the UK it is quite cold so i always smooth over during the winter months and then start dieting in around april-may through to september.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by paul56778 View Post
    I would lean bulk from where you are now until you reach desired goal as fat as mass gain is concerned, i tend to keep bulking until abs are almost completely gone and then cut harsh for an 8-10 week period, if you want to keep bulking i feel you are lean enough based on image to keep packing on more muscle. i would keep bulking for another couple of months, summer is still a while away and you have plenty of time to get shredded, where i am over in the UK it is quite cold so i always smooth over during the winter months and then start dieting in around april-may through to september.
    My only fear about cutting is losing to much muscle being an ectomorph and being shredded but looking skinny shredded if that makes sense haha. My plan is either to maintain calories until summer then cut while on cycle or to maintain calories until summer and then hit a bulk cycle and try to pack on another 15 pounds of lean mass. My calories are so high right now idk if I could even continue bulking honestly haha

  6. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    My only fear about cutting is losing to much muscle being an ectomorph and being shredded but looking skinny shredded if that makes sense haha. My plan is either to maintain calories until summer then cut while on cycle or to maintain calories until summer and then hit a bulk cycle and try to pack on another 15 pounds of lean mass. My calories are so high right now idk if I could even continue bulking honestly haha
    Have you run any AAS / PH's previously to get to your current point?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by paul56778 View Post
    Have you run any AAS / PH's previously to get to your current point?
    1 aas cycle that I just finished which was 12 weeks test e 500 mg with a 6 week 75 mg tbol finisher. So 14 weeks all together

  8. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    1 aas cycle that I just finished which was 12 weeks test e 500 mg with a 6 week 75 mg tbol finisher. So 14 weeks all together
    How long ago did you run this?

    In my opinion, I would agree with Paul and lean bulk until the beginning of spring (assuming where you live). If you start a cut now you'll end up lean well before the spring/summer months and you'll end up having to maintain and spin your wheels for a few months to stay hoe ready on the beach. I've started cuts before in January and regretted it. I would wait until March if it were me
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    How long ago did you run this?

    In my opinion, I would agree with Paul and lean bulk until the beginning of spring (assuming where you live). If you start a cut now you'll end up lean well before the spring/summer months and you'll end up having to maintain and spin your wheels for a few months to stay hoe ready on the beach. I've started cuts before in January and regretted it. I would wait until March if it were me
    I literally just finished that cycle like a 1.5 weeks ago bro. Thatís why I was saying keeping calories the same for another 3-4 months and maintaining then if I get back on in summer I can use it to my advantage with either a cut or bulk

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    I literally just finished that cycle like a 1.5 weeks ago bro. That’s why I was saying keeping calories the same for another 3-4 months and maintaining then if I get back on in summer I can use it to my advantage with either a cut or bulk
    Yeah I wouldn't cut during PCT. I would keep calories at or above maintenance. After 2-3 months I think you'd be in a good position to start tapering your calories and begin a cut.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    Yeah I wouldn't cut during PCT. I would keep calories at or above maintenance. After 2-3 months I think you'd be in a good position to start tapering your calories and begin a cut.

    You ran a SERM right?
    4600 cals is now my maintenance so idk if I can even go higher because Iím already force feeding myself so I think Iím just gonna stay at maintenance then taper down in a few months like you suggested then go at another bulk haha and yeah Clomid and nolva brotha with some natty supps and exem 3 days a weeks oh and some cardarine

  12. Not sure if I misread but don't run things (after) test. Always Finnish test later than tbol deca or whatever or a least the same week.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Chados View Post
    Not sure if I misread but don't run things (after) test. Always Finnish test later than tbol deca or whatever or a least the same week.
    Just out of curiosity why?? I like running an oral while the esters are clearing and to drop the water and harden up a bit from the tbol

  14. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    Just out of curiosity why?? I like running an oral while the esters are clearing and to drop the water and harden up a bit from the tbol
    You want to have test in your system. I guess it's not as bad having a long ester. Your own testosteron will be shut down.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Chados View Post
    You want to have test in your system. I guess it's not as bad having a long ester. Your own testosteron will be shut down.
    Yeah if I was running prop Iíd stop the oral same time as test but since itís E I figured I might as well keep the oral going till the test clears

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    Yeah if I was running prop I’d stop the oral same time as test but since it’s E I figured I might as well keep the oral going till the test clears
    E will stay about two weeks so theoretically you could go a little after last pin.

  17. Cut all the way
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by FUZO View Post
    Cut all the way
    You think I need to bro??

  19. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    You think I need to bro??
    Don't ever cut in pct! You lose them gains you worked so hard for... Do your best to maintain for a couple months. Then go into a cut dropping as much bf as possible before going into next cycle. You also prime your body for growth when you get back on as your body will be in a deficit and will respond by adding in more calories/carbs etc. That along with some gear will give you the best response for new growth.
    @fueledpassion can better explain "priming" the body
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    Don't ever cut in pct! You lose them gains you worked so hard for... Do your best to maintain for a couple months. Then go into a cut dropping as much bf as possible before going into next cycle. You also prime your body for growth when you get back on as your body will be in a deficit and will respond by adding in more calories. That along with some gear will give you the best response for new growth.
    @fueledpassion can better explain "priming" the body
    Thatís what I was talking about man. Iím 100% going to maintain until April/may then just trying to decide if I want to cut or bulk I might slower taper my calories to about 3000 or so and lose some BF then get back on cycle and start the bulk again or wait till I get on cycle and use the first 4 weeks before the test kicks to lower cals and lean out a bit then bulk the rest

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    Don't ever cut in pct! You lose them gains you worked so hard for... Do your best to maintain for a couple months. Then go into a cut dropping as much bf as possible before going into next cycle. You also prime your body for growth when you get back on as your body will be in a deficit and will respond by adding in more calories/carbs etc. That along with some gear will give you the best response for new growth.
    @fueledpassion can better explain "priming" the body
    This is exactly where im at, maintaining after a cycle, little cut before next.....boom

  22. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    I’m currently bulking and have put on some good mass over the winter but I’m running into the problem of thinking about summer and can’t decide if I want cut and get shredded or keep bulking. My primary goal is building muscle so the obvious answer would be to bulk but I don’t want to add to much fat and be unhappy with myself and I don’t want to cut and be shredded but not look very big. Can someone tell me how to post pics from your phone so y’all can help me decide? Lol
    There is some good advice in here. Since you are just coming off cycle, I would still eat at a surplus to maintain your gains. Summer is a long time away. You probably have a good 6-10 weeks before you need to start cutting given your pictures. I would just lean bulk until then. You can run a natural supplement to help with lean bulking. AlphaMax XT. AlphaMax XT is great for a lean bulk because of the forskolin, so I would suggest any supplement with that in it.

    Here is some good reading on it.

    Forskolin increases metabolism, burns fat, breaks down triglycerides, and increases lean-body mass
    The thyroid stimulating strength of forskolin has been compared to TSH (thyrotropin). Thyroid hormone levels are important for leanness.
    Forskolin has increased total testosterone by 16% in male subjects during a 12-week trial.
    https://www.t-nation.com/supplements...with-forskolin

    Fat Mass:  The colforsin group lost 4.52 kilograms (9,94 pounds) of fat, plus or minus 5.74 kilograms, while the placebo group lost only 0.51 kilograms (1.12 pounds), plus or minus 1.91 kilograms.
    Lean Body Mass:  The colforsin group gained 3.71 kilograms of lean body mass (8.162 pounds), plus or minus 4.07 kilograms, while the placebo group gained 1.57 kilograms (3.45 pounds), plus or minus 2.56 kilograms.
    Testosterone:  The Testosterone of the colforsin group rose 33.7 percent, while it decreased 18.35 percent in the placebo group.
    https://www.t-nation.com/supplements...-the-messenger

    The total body weight of a mixed group of men and women in a 12-week study decreased from 74.7 kilograms to 73.5 kilograms while experiencing increases in lean body mass (without weight training).
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129715

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Whisky View Post
    This is exactly where im at, maintaining after a cycle, little cut before next.....boom
    What was your cycle??

  24. Quote Originally Posted by BlueberyJones View Post
    What was your cycle??
    1/4/epiandro with mk677 (running that constantly).

    Was my first, enjoyed it. Kept 7lbs of the gains and about 95% of the strength.

    Looking forward to my next one. At 36 progress is generally very very slow natty so a little boost a couple of times a year helps lol
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