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  1. Should I Bulk or Cut? (pics inside)


    Should I cut or Bulk to ~180-185?
    Start of Bulk: October
    Current Bulk Day: December
    Weight: ~170
    Height: 5 8
    Bodyfat: ~15-16%?


    Bench Start of Bulk: 190lbs
    Current: 215(x2) or 225lbs
    Squat Start of Bulk: 185(x6)
    Current: 295-300lbs
    Deadlift Start of Bulk: ---
    Current: 340lbs

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  2. Beast. If I remember from past threads you are still young but perform high volume workouts. My recommendation would be to stay away from bulking or cutting steroid compounds for now. Keep your diet clean, continue to naturally bulk from hard work. You seem to be a good kid and I'd hate to see you hurt. IMHO

  3. I'd say bulk, you need some more thickness in your back and shoulders, but do it clean or you will end up looking more sloppy.

    This is coming from a guy that never cuts though hah
    Always willing to learn :D
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Beast. If I remember from past threads you are still young but perform high volume workouts. My recommendation would be to stay away from bulking or cutting steroid compounds for now. Keep your diet clean, continue to naturally bulk from hard work. You seem to be a good kid and I'd hate to see you hurt. IMHO
    Im 16? I do not know why you think bulking will injure me, tbqh

  5. He's talking about steroids I think, bulking would be good you have a good foundation but you need some thickness aim for like 20 lbs then cut

  6. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post

    Im 16? I do not know why you think bulking will injure me, tbqh
    What are your stats?
    Age height?
    Eat clean and focus on heavy compound lifts.
    Always willing to learn :D

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post
    What are your stats?
    Age height?
    Eat clean and focus on heavy compound lifts.
    Stats are above pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by dmmcclair View Post
    He's talking about steroids I think, bulking would be good you have a good foundation but you need some thickness aim for like 20 lbs then cut
    Don't i look fat?

  8. At your age just eat and lift heavy
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  9. If its any reference I'm 5'8" and weigh 185 in my avi, with about 15-17% BF
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post

    Im 16? I do not know why you think bulking will injure me, tbqh
    Talking about bulking using steroids.

    You are not "fat" just a growing teen. Again, if I know teens, their diet is terrible. So, I'd say clean up your diet if it involves any " fast food" and leanly bulk for 20 more pounds while still doing your previously threaded high volume lifts. Check out the nutrition section for ideas on food types and meals.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post

    Talking about bulking using steroids.

    You are not "fat" just a growing teen. Again, if I know teens, their diet is terrible. So, I'd say clean up your diet if it involves any " fast food" and leanly bulk for 20 more pounds while still doing your previously threaded high volume lifts. Check out the nutrition section for ideas on food types and meals.
    When was he talking about using AAS?

  12. Jim, I've been following his posts. This is a good kid here that in another thread had someone suggest AAS to him. I wanted to make sure he, at 16, didn't start thinking of steroids. I'm just a father concerned for someone's son, that's all.

  13. Looks like you need to add some weight so obviously bulk, but clean...don't want to look more flabby than muscular...as others have stated add some thickness..
    Idk what your routines like, but heavy weight for 5-8 reps is great for adding mass...work on your big 3 lifts and as those become stronger you will add mass...also bb row is great for adding thickness to your back...just make sure form is on point as with all other lifts...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Jim, I've been following his posts. This is a good kid here that in another thread had someone suggest AAS to him. I wanted to make sure he, at 16, didn't start thinking of steroids. I'm just a father concerned for someone's son, that's all.
    I don't think you have to worry about him going to AAS. He's getting a lot of good mentorship from the guys here.

    I was just confused as to where you got AAS from.
    Quote Originally Posted by blaykeryan View Post
    Looks like you need to add some weight so obviously bulk, but clean...don't want to look more flabby than muscular...as others have stated add some thickness..
    Idk what your routines like, but heavy weight for 5-8 reps is great for adding mass...work on your big 3 lifts and as those become stronger you will add mass...also bb row is great for adding thickness to your back...just make sure form is on point as with all other lifts...

    AB has been designing his routine.

  15. Oh ok good...you will be golden man, starting young at your age is going to pay off..

  16. I think i will cut down to around 9 as i am looking around 17% bodyfat,


    what do you guys think?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post
    I think i will cut down to around 9 as i am looking around 17% bodyfat,

    what do you guys think?
    A good lean bulk can lower bf% while still increasing muscularity.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    A good lean bulk can lower bf% while still increasing muscularity.
    So lean bulk it? A bit over mainteance and clean foods? + cardio

  19. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post

    So lean bulk it? A bit over mainteance and clean foods? + cardio
    I would although I'm always trying to bulk.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post

    So lean bulk it? A bit over mainteance and clean foods? + cardio
    Ya I would go about +250--500 calories plus some cardio...3-4 times a week. Or just keep your workouts intense and rest periods down. Really all depends on your metabolism rate. But at your age I would think its still high.
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  21. You should get up to 190-200 before thinking about a cut.
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  22. No, you're not fat, OP. And I'm not trying to be mean but you don't have any muscles either. I don't think you should bulk or cut at this point. You need to build strength.

    Look in to powerlifting or olympic lifting routines and do them. When you have a decent level of strength, start bulking.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    You should get up to 190-200 before thinking about a cut.
    190? I think i will be safe bulking to 185, i do not have much ,mass which sucks. Slow, clean bulking to 185. What bodyfat you guys think i am?

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    No, you're not fat, OP. And I'm not trying to be mean but you don't have any muscles either. I don't think you should bulk or cut at this point. You need to build strength.

    Look in to powerlifting or olympic lifting routines and do them. When you have a decent level of strength, start bulking.
    AB is making my routines, and i am clean bulking to 185ish, what bodyfat you think i am?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post
    190? I think i will be safe bulking to 185, i do not have much ,mass which sucks. Slow, clean bulking to 185. What bodyfat you guys think i am?



    IAB is making my routines, and i am clean bulking to 185ish, what bodyfat you think i am?
    I don't know who AB is but if you're on a decent routine, keep at it. It's hard to discern body fat levels by picture. I'd say the not fat level.

  25. Screw cutting.

    Just get big. What 16 year old days "man maybe I should shred some fat off and be nice and lean" **** that, when I was 16 I wanted to be huge.

    Just eat healthy and lift heavy and your body will respond. That alone puts you above the rest of your peers.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post
    190? I think i will be safe bulking to 185, i do not have much ,mass which sucks. Slow, clean bulking to 185. What bodyfat you guys think i am?
    I mean, it's really how your body works.
    For me, I have to bulk up to 210 to look GOOD at 175.
    For me to be 170 and bulk up to 185, it would be a little pointless.
    How much of that do you think is actual muscle?

    Out of 15 pounds, I bet 5 pounds would be pure muscle, at best.
    Imagine going to the grocery store, buying 5 pounds of steak and just slapping it on your body. You know how much muscle that is? That's a lot.

    That's why I'm saying, 185 is nothing.
    A 15 pounds bulk isn't even a bulk. You should throw on a good 30+ before even considering a cut.

    Then again like a poster said above you shouldn't be too concerned with mass as opposed to developing actual strength and power.
    The mass will come...
    Get shredded or die mirin'

  27. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    I mean, it's really how your body works.
    For me, I have to bulk up to 210 to look GOOD at 175.
    For me to be 170 and bulk up to 185, it would be a little pointless.
    How much of that do you think is actual muscle?

    Out of 15 pounds, I bet 5 pounds would be pure muscle, at best.
    Imagine going to the grocery store, buying 5 pounds of steak and just slapping it on your body. You know how much muscle that is? That's a lot.

    That's why I'm saying, 185 is nothing.
    A 15 pounds bulk isn't even a bulk. You should throw on a good 30+ before even considering a cut.

    Then again like a poster said above you shouldn't be too concerned with mass as opposed to developing actual strength and power.
    The mass will come...
    I bulked from 155! What do you think my bodyfat currently is?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post

    I mean, it's really how your body works.
    For me, I have to bulk up to 210 to look GOOD at 175.
    For me to be 170 and bulk up to 185, it would be a little pointless.
    How much of that do you think is actual muscle?

    Out of 15 pounds, I bet 5 pounds would be pure muscle, at best.
    Imagine going to the grocery store, buying 5 pounds of steak and just slapping it on your body. You know how much muscle that is? That's a lot.

    That's why I'm saying, 185 is nothing.
    A 15 pounds bulk isn't even a bulk. You should throw on a good 30+ before even considering a cut.

    Then again like a poster said above you shouldn't be too concerned with mass as opposed to developing actual strength and power.
    The mass will come...
    That depends on what kind of surplus you have. If one were to gain 15 pounds over the course of a year or more I think a good deal of that could be muscle.

    As opposed to gaining 15 pounds in a month or two, where you are right and maybe 5 pounds of that will be muscle.

  29. I don't know, maybe 15% ?

    Don't worry you aren't fat. If someone were to look at you the last thing they would think is that you are fat and need to cut.

    I am fat right now. Whatever though, it's part of the game...
    Get shredded or die mirin'

  30. I would lean bulk.. you need more of a foundation before you start cutting otherwise your just gunna look skinny. I'd do as some of these guys are advising and Lean bulk. Keep calories clean but increase your food. Make sure your eating every two hours to keep your body growing and keep your metabolism in a good state. Make sure the mirror is the judge of your progress not the scale.
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  31. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    I don't know, maybe 15% ?

    Don't worry you aren't fat. If someone were to look at you the last thing they would think is that you are fat and need to cut.

    I am fat right now. Whatever though, it's part of the game...
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    That depends on what kind of surplus you have. If one were to gain 15 pounds over the course of a year or more I think a good deal of that could be muscle.

    As opposed to gaining 15 pounds in a month or two, where you are right and maybe 5 pounds of that will be muscle.
    So i bulked from 155, to 170. Should i hit 185 SLOWLY?

  32. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332
    Screw cutting.

    Just get big. What 16 year old days "man maybe I should shred some fat off and be nice and lean" **** that, when I was 16 I wanted to be huge.

    Just eat healthy and lift heavy and your body will respond. That alone puts you above the rest of your peers.
    Agreed, you have some natty weight to gain, just focus on eating good and lifting heavy with good form...hell when I was first starting out at age 17 I could care less about cutting...I just wanted to get big, now as you get older your goals change because unfortunately your body changes, so cutting when your older and have that mass you want is better, unless you start competing at a young age...another thing,just my opinion getting training routines and diets online isn't the best idea...it's better to talk to someone knowledgeable in person, a personal trainer or even a veteran at your gym...to help you get on the right track

  33. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post

    So i bulked from 155, to 170. Should i hit 185 SLOWLY?
    I would just bulk to the point where you are happy with the way you look. That might be 185 or 205.

    A lot of times a well done lean bulk can actually make you leaner by increase muscle mass without significantly increasing (and sometimes decreasing) fat mass.

    Also eating every two hours doesn't matter. Nutrient timing is nit.important for overall physique goes, set your total kCal and Macros and hit those numbers everyday. It doesnt matter how many meals it takes.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I would just bulk to the point where you are happy with the way you look. That might be 185 or 205.

    A lot of times a well done lean bulk can actually make you leaner by increase muscle mass without significantly increasing (and sometimes decreasing) fat mass.

    Also eating every two hours doesn't matter. Nutrient timing is nit.important for overall physique goes, set your total kCal and Macros and hit those numbers everyday. It doesnt matter how many meals it takes.
    What is a good macro split for a lean bulk?

  35. Quote Originally Posted by B3ast View Post
    What is a good macro split for a lean bulk?
    I generally go for a minimum of 1g protein per lb of bodyweight and .5g fat per lb and then just use carbs and fats to fill in the rest of the of the kCal I need.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    That depends on what kind of surplus you have. If one were to gain 15 pounds over the course of a year or more I think a good deal of that could be muscle.

    As opposed to gaining 15 pounds in a month or two, where you are right and maybe 5 pounds of that will be muscle.
    5 pounds of muscle in a year and I'm a happy camper.
    If I put on 15 pounds in a month or two it would probably be 7 pounds water, 6 pounds fat, and 2 pounds muscle. Not worth it.

    Hey, everyone grows differently though...
    I'm naturally about 145, so maybe that's why...
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post

    5 pounds of muscle in a year and I'm a happy camper.
    If I put on 15 pounds in a month or two it would probably be 7 pounds water, 6 pounds fat, and 2 pounds muscle. Not worth it.

    Hey, everyone grows differently though...
    I'm naturally about 145, so maybe that's why...
    And I also assume you aren't 16, which makes a difference.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    And I also assume you aren't 16, which makes a difference.
    Lol, so like 35/35/30. ok? or something

  39. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    And I also assume you aren't 16, which makes a difference.
    Very true.
    Get shredded or die mirin'

  40. 40/40/20, 40/30/30, 50/30/20

    no one can tell ya dude, everybody's body is different. cycle macros around or don't even worry about macros, just eat. if you get fat-eat less. if you don't gain-eat more. I worry less about macro ratios when bulking
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