The olive oil experiment

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  1. Killer post SS, thanks

    Only disputable point: ""Carbs are lipogenic in presence of fats (agreed), and over consumption of calories (agreed), along with in multiple meals per day (more then 3)."

    Perhaps that was a simple guideline, but not sure the meal quantity (3) is relevant.
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  2. meal timing is definetly relavent. optimal nutritional timing is the best way to control things.

    Takes about 3 hours for insulin levels to come back to normal, 4 hours for leptin to return back to normal.

    If insulin is consistently raised, it may set the stage for a resistance in leptin signaling, and increases cholesterol production. The increase in Akt aids in adipocyte maturation and differentiation.

    When considering a carbohydrates in diet especially during an off season or bulking diet you really need to be careful with consecutive carbohydrate containing meals. This is obviously to prevent the the resistance to leptin and insulin. This usually isnt a problem in leaner individuals, but is seen much more consistently in those 15% and higher. They bulk properly with the calories, however they see more fat gain then muscle gain, or a poor ration of muscle to fat gain.

    Its a problem that is seen far to often. From what i have seen there are better ways to go about all these problems. and this is one of them.
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  3. Coconut for Frying: Agreed, they are vastly superior.

    Coconut for HDL levels/Cardiovasular Health: With respect to your comment about healthy HDL levels and using Olive Oil in your protein shakes for optimal lipid levels, I would argue Fish Oils as having a superior effect (with Olive POil still beign sa healthy adjunct). That said, monounsaturated fats are excellent sources of fats for a variety of other issues that Fish Oils are not. One more reason to get ALL your fat sources in excpet for trans-fatty acids. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0504142925.htm

    Coconut For HDL:
    Though coconut oil is 90% saturated fat (compared to around 50% in beef, butter, and lard), a larger percentage is what’s called lauric acid, which boosts HDL more than palmitic acid, the saturated fat found predominantly in meat and dairy products. So as saturated fats go, coconut oil is preferable

    Coconut for Energy Levels: There is little argument that MCT oils are an excellent source of energy w/o the elevation in insulin from carbs so theoretically, a heightened level of fat-burning might be achieved.

    However, I do recall a study or anecdotal reports whereby athletes were using MCT oils pre-training and within days, the body rendered it useless as an energy source! It's as if the body attentuated it that quickly. I am still trying to locate the actual study. Don't quote me as I am going off of memory which stinks these days. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by grngoloco View Post
    Coconut oil is better than butter for frying,, it doesn't break down with heat,, longer chain fatty acids break down molecularly with heat and turn toxic...with that in mind, for cardiovascular health, it is healthier to eat cooked butter than cooked olive oil,, cooked coconut oil is even healthier,, but raw olive oil is best,, I put two tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil in my morning protein shake.. it helps me to keep a good hdl /Ldl ratio,,, we all know with AAS's, that's one of our biggest challenges ... why exacerbate the problem with unnecessary short chain fats,,
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  4. Did you read the part about feccal fat? LOL
    Apparently the digestability of Cocoa Butter fats is a slight issue.

    Nothing like oily diarhea

    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    another pretty awesome study but on cocoa butter, which i make my home made chocolate bars with (found in recipe section of this forum)

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/50/5/983.long
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Did you read the part about feccal fat? LOL
    Apparently the digestability of Cocoa Butter fats is a slight issue.

    Nothing like oily diarhea
    Remember Olestra and "fat free" potato chips that actually had this undigestable fat in them. Warning on the bag said "may cause oily discharge"

    F-ING sick. Lol.

    I'm not sure how keto-ers do it, I'm at <200 carbs and 130g fat today and I'm not sure I could do it too often. I've been getting some bad carb bloat so I'm trying to get a couple low carb days in to even it out a little. Also thought that being on some test boosters, higher fat would give me more raw materials to make those molecules with. No sense boosting the body's desire to make test without giving it plenty of fat to make it with, right?
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  6. Yup yup

    Im a low carber too. No better way to get lean (for me)
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  7. That fecal fat is negligable. Your more likely to get diarrhea from evco then cacao butter. I've noticed harder stools with that keto bar

  8. Good to know. I need to get some cacao butter before I can make this darn recipe! lol
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Coconut for Frying: Agreed, they are vastly superior.

    Coconut for HDL levels/Cardiovasular Health: With respect to your comment about healthy HDL levels and using Olive Oil in your protein shakes for optimal lipid levels, I would argue Fish Oils as having a superior effect (with Olive POil still beign sa healthy adjunct). That said, monounsaturated fats are excellent sources of fats for a variety of other issues that Fish Oils are not. One more reason to get ALL your fat sources in excpet for trans-fatty acids. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0504142925.htm

    Coconut For HDL: Though coconut oil is 90% saturated fat (compared to around 50% in beef, butter, and lard), a larger percentage is what's called lauric acid, which boosts HDL more than palmitic acid, the saturated fat found predominantly in meat and dairy products. So as saturated fats go, coconut oil is preferable

    Coconut for Energy Levels: There is little argument that MCT oils are an excellent source of energy w/o the elevation in insulin from carbs so theoretically, a heightened level of fat-burning might be achieved.

    However, I do recall a study or anecdotal reports whereby athletes were using MCT oils pre-training and within days, the body rendered it useless as an energy source! It's as if the body attentuated it that quickly. I am still trying to locate the actual study. Don't quote me as I am going off of memory which stinks these days. LOL
    I also put cod liver and grapeseed oils in my shake,,, about two tablespoons of each,, 6 tablespoons of oil total

  10. Bro - I need to thank you. This stuff is one of the YUMMIEST things I have had in ages! It blows regular EVCO out of the water!

    Like you said, spoon it right out of the jar and it's like dessert! It's like comparing a filet mignon to a burger.

    No clue how what they do to this stuff b/c it's only ingredient is coconut but man this stuff tastes amazing!

    I also just bought this too! (from web site) - cant wait to try. http://www.artisanafoods.com/products/cacao-bliss


    Quote Originally Posted by 1newbie View Post
    Coconut oil lovers - try the Artisana brand of coconut butter (not their coconut oil) sold at whole foods. It is coconut oil blended with the coconut meat (7g carbs in 2 tbsp.) it tastes amazing straight out of the jar, like a desert......
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  11. ive never seen cocoa butter where do u find it?

  12. can you find coconut butter in stores too or jsut online?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    can you find coconut butter in stores too or jsut online?
    looks liek only online has it.. That artisan link i believe has it.

    This chocolate bar is BANANAs. Seriously. When im done with this batch im going to try strawberry protein powder instead of vanilla to see how it tastes.

    you can also add shaved coconut, or almonds in there for a little different texture, lots to do with it. Ill probably end up adding som flax seed for some crunch.

  14. Amazon.com or Whole Foods

    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    can you find coconut butter in stores too or jsut online?
    I still need to buy cacao and cocoa butter

    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    looks liek only online has it.. That artisan link i believe has it.

    This chocolate bar is BANANAs. Seriously. When im done with this batch im going to try strawberry protein powder instead of vanilla to see how it tastes.

    you can also add shaved coconut, or almonds in there for a little different texture, lots to do with it. Ill probably end up adding som flax seed for some crunch.
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  15. I could easily go broke on that site

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  16. livesuperfoods.com is another one.

  17. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...tomisedMessage=


    Abstract

    BACKGROUND: Mulberries are a traditional edible food used to treat
    hepatic disease. The anti-obesity and hypolipidemic effects of mulberry water
    extracts (MWE) have attracted increasing interest. In the present study, MWE
    were assessed for their hepatic lipid-lowering potential when administered in
    fatty acid overload conditions in HepG2 cells.



    RESULTS: We found that MWE significantly reduced lipid accumulation,
    suppressed fatty acid synthesis, and stimulated fatty acid oxidation.
    Furthermore, MWE also inhibited acetyl coenzyme A carboxylase activities by
    stimulating adenosine monophosphate-activated protein kinase (AMPK). MWE
    attenuated the expression of sterol regulatory element-binding protein-1
    (SREBP-1) and its target molecules, such as fatty acid synthase. Similar results
    were also measured in the expressions of enzymes involved in triglyceride and
    cholesterol biosyntheses including glycerol-3-phosphate acyltransferase,
    3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl-CoA reductase, and SREBP-2. In contrast, the
    lipolytic enzyme expression of peroxisome proliferator activated receptor α and
    carnitine palmitoyltransferase-1 were increased.



    CONCLUSIONS: Our study suggests that the hypolipidemic effects of MWE
    occur via phosphorylation of AMPK and inhibition of lipid biosynthesis.
    Therefore, the mulberry extract may be active in the prevention of fatty liver.
    Copyright 2011 Society of Chemical Industry

  18. I'll have to look into this coconut butter. At first I kind of liked EVCO, but now it instantly activates my gag reflex. And this is from someone who loves coconuts. I just can't put down straight oil, even EVOO. So this sounds right up my alley. Thanks for the tip, guys!

  19. Macadamia nut oil is where it's at
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