- 10-10-2011, 04:24 PM
Hi guys I know this is another one of those posts about h-drol but i just wanted to ask some questions and clarify everything rather than not asking
I have done a lot of reading through the forums and my homework about pro hormones and I am considering a cycle, I am only 20 soon coming 21 so am contemplating whether to wait a bit longer first? Ive always found myself as a hard gainer and have been training for a few years now.
This would be my first PH cycle so want to know as much and be as safe as possible reducing any risks and listening to other peoples advice.
I originally was only planning on a 4 week cycle however from the reading everyone seems to say go for longer as results only come in from week 3 and on wards. Also same with dosage as its my first PH i was considering just 25mg for the first week but again everyone suggests to start from 50mg daily?
My aims are to make some good size and strength gains im currently weigh about 175lbs.
With that in mind this is what i was planning my cycle to look like:
Week 1 - Cycle Assist
Week 2 - Cycle Assist/ H-drol 50mg/ milk thistle
Week 3 - Cycle Assist/ H-drol 50mg/ milk thistle
Week 4 - Cycle Assist/ H-drol 50mg/ milk thistle
Week 5 - Cycle Assist/ H-drol 75mg/ milk thistle
Week 6 - Cycle Assist/ H-drol 75mg/ milk thistle
Week 1 - Novadex xt/ Cycle Assist
Week 2 - Novadex xt/ Cycle Assist
Week 3 - Novadex xt/ Cycle Assist
Week 4 - Novadex xt/ Cycle Assist
I will also be taking multi-vits throughout, as well as whey protein or weight gainer.
I read a lot of people mentioning taking taurine, hawthorne berries? Would you suggest including these in my cycle?
Any suggestions/ advice?
- 10-10-2011, 05:48 PM
Hey, I'm another youngster doing H-Drol also. My suggestion is snag some BCAA complexes + Glutamine for pre-workout, Swanson has a decent one I can PM ya; definitely keep milk thistle, definitely hawthorne, taurine would help a little in the energy dept. I suggest you aquire some gingko biloba (helps circulation and seems to make me less angry on PH's) and I do Dandelion, yellow dock, and turmeric all for my liver. Need any advice hit me up, same situation as you
P.S. Don't waste cycle assist on a week without being on the PH; if you're really worried do 25/50/50/50/75/75
- 10-10-2011, 09:30 PM
id say the guidelines would 23+ yrs to start a cycle of course thats not always the case, most people will run it regardless. id say wait but if you cant be smart about your cycle now i am not encouraging you to do this cycle whatsoever but first of all you havent done enough homework if you think novedex is a pctThe difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
10-10-2011, 09:33 PM
whats ur stats btw, i think i can get a better pic, if i knew where you stand as far as weight
also there are some good alternative for you hardgainers- anabeta nd natadrol.
The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
10-11-2011, 08:39 AM
10-11-2011, 10:06 AM
10-11-2011, 10:15 AM
Seriously; stay away until age 25+. Until then just do your research and learn. Don't come crying to us when you get gyno or permanently destroy your libido for the rest of your life.
10-11-2011, 12:15 PM
Booom! Thats that sorted then, im going to leave it for a few years at least then and maybe il even reach the shape and size id like to in that time.
I do train hard and eat, just past few months havent seemed to make any gains which puts me down a lot!
Seem to be putting work it but not always paying off. I know everyone is different and gains will always vary just want to put on some good size.
Thanks for all the replies anyway.
Any alternative supplements any of you would suggest help me gain some good size + strength. (not PH)
I currently take weight gainer, BCAA, L Gutamine, Jack 3d, multi-vits aswell as a fairly decent diet.
10-11-2011, 06:23 PM
10-12-2011, 09:43 AM
As far as supplements those are all solid choices. You can also get some creatine monohydrate to help with your goals as well. I take it year round regardless of whether i'm trying to cut or bulk.
Props to you for making a smart decision
You're just a kid and you have a lot to learn. Take the time to lift, train, and eat your ass off. Your body's own natural production of hormones is so high right now that YOU DONT NEED PH/AAS.
If you're not scared, you should be. At your age you run the risk of doing some permanent damage as your body is still developing.
10-12-2011, 12:58 PM
10-12-2011, 02:20 PM
10-12-2011, 03:19 PM
10-12-2011, 09:12 PM
10-12-2011, 09:22 PM
as far as the other supplement options are considered. AnaBeta is a good choice man. Natadrol is a viable option as well, personally I've run AnaBeta and had solid results from it.
I'm just coming off an H-drol run and in my first week of PCT. cut the cycle short because of some prostate discomfort. Subsided once the H-drol was stopped.
As far as my experience because I know Majike44 will question me and as to why I am 21 years old and using H-drol and other PH's.
Been training since I was 17. Blasted through as much naturally as I could and was progressing pretty well honestly but made the classic mistake a year later. Been with professional strength and speed trainers since 18 and made an 'amateur' and 'uneducated' plunge into PH's at 19 on my own once I hit college and luckily survived to talk about it. I've got (2) M-drol (superdrol) runs under my belt, D-zine & M-LMG as well, and the most recent being the H-drol run. I am the farthest thing from educated medically or in any form at the level that other members are, but I am educated through my own PERSONAL experiences as I am sure TheDarkHalf is as well.
I commend you for deciding to stay natural and believe and advocate to all my teammates and friends as well, to maximize NATURAL ability before turning to PH's and AAS for that matter. I would certainly recommend the AnaBeta as well as creatine mono as TheDarkHalf recommended and EAT! you would be amazed and at what you can achieve naturally just by dialing in your diet and understanding proper training. good luck man and don't hesitate to ask anything else and we'll do the best we can here on AM.
10-12-2011, 09:37 PM
I did juice when i was young, 17 thru 19. Now im 20 and im on HRT for the rest of my lift with a ruined libido if I get off the test...food for thought
10-13-2011, 11:38 AM
I know the risks, and I've been all natural for about three years now. Pre-loading on a supplement two weeks prior will do nothing, most herbal supplements take a month or more for their full effects. If he wants to, he'd start milk thistle, turmeric, and a high-berry diet prior to his cycle months in advance, possibly hawthorn, fish oil + flax oil complex, and a high nut/fish intake. It took me 6 months of detox to prepare myself, and even now I'm worried. The fact I'm his age can help him mentally prepare for a situation knowing he's not the only one starting one of these an early age. I'm not dumb, I don't like people critiquing my age...
P.S. I'm a junior in college and I'm 18, Puerto Rican schools start early.
10-13-2011, 02:48 PM
First you need a serm with your pct. Sure you can get by without one but they are cheaper than most test boosters, much more effective, will allow you to retain more gains, and significantly reduce the chances of you getting gyno/estrogen related problems during pct. Novedex xt just isnt gonna cut it man. You may also want some daa in pct for libido purposes.
Your cycle is goign to require 2 bottles the way you have it. Youd be better off just running 50/75/75/75/75/75.
Also, hows your diet and workout plan?
10-17-2011, 06:37 PM
I don't believe in hard gainers, it's called an improper diet or simply not eating enough and/or doing a girly workout. I recently ran a cycle of H-Drol and didn't think it was worth it due to the sides / gains / cost. Sure I made gains, but I would've made gains anyway, just might have taken a little longer. Then during PCT you'll lose some of it. If I were you I'd look into a ZMA supplement first (herbal testosterone booster).
But if you're determined to run a cycle read up, I found this post to be invaluable, I can't post links yet but search for "the stupid people's guide to pct" it's the 9th one down.
I was eating about 3500 cal's a day while doing it, but depends how active you are, I'm 6ft and sit all my ass all day at work.
10-17-2011, 11:12 PM
10-18-2011, 01:35 PM
Not using any steroids
10-18-2011, 01:38 PM
10-18-2011, 06:51 PM
I wouldn't call it a steroid, the same category as injectables, which is what people would think
10-18-2011, 06:57 PM
H drol IS a steroid. It does not matter what you would call it.
10-18-2011, 07:33 PM
So you take a steroid?
10-18-2011, 07:37 PM
As of right now I am natural but starting next week I will take h drol. So yes I will be taking a steroid and so are you.
10-18-2011, 07:39 PM
Fair enough then, but I don't think a med school will frown on it regardless
10-18-2011, 07:42 PM
10-18-2011, 07:48 PM
Ouch, well appreciate the warning, not meaning to be rude
10-21-2011, 09:24 AM
10-27-2011, 01:16 AM
Aside from some of the good advice given, this thread is full of---->
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