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  1. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    ah yes - seeing some of the effects of old age beging to come into play and affect you can certainly be demoralizing - I experienced this a bit myself when I hit 40 (tho not on 54y/o level obviously), not memory but other issues..thankfully I have a great memory, as I embrace this and utilize to its fullest; I hope that never changes
    one thing I might suggest: well off the top, determine if it is simply old-age forgetfulness, or something more serious like an organic brain/function deteriorization that poses a more serious set of issues for you..but my advice would be (and this is tough I understand, but..) try to tone down on your reading of various sources and ideas, opposing viewpoints, and majorly differing philosophies..find a source you feel to be accurate and worthwhile, and stick with that source for your guiding information going forward
    I am not saying that reading differing opinions/material is not beneficial - quite the contrary, this can be almost as valuable as reading a solid source of info to begin with, as you get a more thorough aspect of understanding and education on the topic at hand (makes you think a little more)..
    when you have memory issues tho, instead this will detract from your overall knowledge and ability to maintain what you read and study, simply because as the memory eludes you begin to confuse issues to yourself, and lose meanings behind contexts and thos philosophies

    just my .02 - wish you the best in this regard buddy
    Yes like we have discussed memory loss and the ability to learn likely have a lot to do with be very clutttered. Remember I am learning all this new stuff at work so I am in overload as well. It will get better when I am over that hump. I used a software that I was expert in for so long that I never had to learn all that much new stuff. The worm has turned.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Excellent so lowering both is ok for very short periods... so we are keeping low fat for most of the duration we need to keep our catbs about equal cals to the fat we take in. 110 grams of carbs is about 440 cals and 50 grams of fat is about 450. We can still do those short periods but only when absolutely needed and that is where you would use the 2 hour eating windows ? Once depleted from low carbs and fat like I was during my last prep. Just trying to tie it all together.
    you lost me again man
    both low fats (when I say low, I mean really low ie <50g fats for most general purposes) and low carbs (here I mean anything <100g), that is horrible to do for any amount of duration, at any time..should ONLY be utilized as a last resort, if one needs drastic measures and has fallen behind schedule for some reason..it is NOT a consistent plan of attack, one wishes to use thruout an entire prep process
    honestly, the diet I put together for you to begin with was fine for your needs; you started tweaking things on your own, and forgetting things (like the design of that carb meal etc) that are essential to function of that SPECIFIC plan
    when you have a guideline from someone else, unless you have an extremely thorough understanding of the processes involved and feel you can improve upon it, it is important to not deviate from the plan as it is structured
    you make this entirely too complex here man....

    in essence:
    if you are having fats ~50g day and they are being reduced from there, then you will really want to keep carbs >100g and more like 115in a low-point of a set rotation ie 175/150/115 then carb meal built-in to bump day that will put you ~250-300g for that particular day

    as far as meal timing goes, again I do not know what you refer to here, there is no "2hr window" that I propose at all, and the 2x weekly carb boosters are metabolism reset meals that also boost thyroid function and keep fat-loss humming right along

    I don't wish to sound rude doug, but honestly I am losing the ability to have luxury of time to spend dissecting things here with you - esp things I have touched on in one form or another previously already..i simply cannot do it, with my own prep/customer clients are procure my services and so I have an obligation to tend to them



    please understand my position..also - again the 2hr thing, I am clueless to what you refer to
    if you are talking about avoiding IF, then certainly you know how I feel on that one..
    if you are talking about spacing meals out, it is simply because if you are splitting meals 5-6x daily then ~3hrs or so is how they will logically be spaced apart

    don't make this too difficult!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    you lost me again man
    both low fats (when I say low, I mean really low ie <50g fats for most general purposes) and low carbs (here I mean anything <100g), that is horrible to do for any amount of duration, at any time..should ONLY be utilized as a last resort, if one needs drastic measures and has fallen behind schedule for some reason..it is NOT a consistent plan of attack, one wishes to use thruout an entire prep process
    honestly, the diet I put together for you to begin with was fine for your needs; you started tweaking things on your own, and forgetting things (like the design of that carb meal etc) that are essential to function of that SPECIFIC plan
    when you have a guideline from someone else, unless you have an extremely thorough understanding of the processes involved and feel you can improve upon it, it is important to not deviate from the plan as it is structured
    you make this entirely too complex here man....

    in essence:
    if you are having fats ~50g day and they are being reduced from there, then you will really want to keep carbs >100g and more like 115in a low-point of a set rotation ie 175/150/115 then carb meal built-in to bump day that will put you ~250-300g for that particular day

    as far as meal timing goes, again I do not know what you refer to here, there is no "2hr window" that I propose at all, and the 2x weekly carb boosters are metabolism reset meals that also boost thyroid function and keep fat-loss humming right along

    I don't wish to sound rude doug, but honestly I am losing the ability to have luxury of time to spend dissecting things here with you - esp things I have touched on in one form or another previously already..i simply cannot do it, with my own prep/customer clients are procure my services and so I have an obligation to tend to them



    please understand my position..also - again the 2hr thing, I am clueless to what you refer to
    if you are talking about avoiding IF, then certainly you know how I feel on that one..
    if you are talking about spacing meals out, it is simply because if you are splitting meals 5-6x daily then ~3hrs or so is how they will logically be spaced apart

    don't make this too difficult!
    ok I have the basic gist anyway. diet sseems to be working very well.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  4. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    ok I have the basic gist anyway. diet sseems to be working very well.
    great
    last point I want to leave you with, to make sure you understand this one as well: when we manipulate the carb level ie in a rotation, we do not also move fats around -- they remain consistently at set point
    the only time this changes, is with that carb meal I prescribed, where an optional TBS of almond butter or real butter and combination of the fat from oats. or rice you are consuming, will add addtl 12-15g fat or so to the day's total..this is fine, and again simply another (lower) impact of that particular meal for metabolism boosting

  5. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    great
    last point I want to leave you with, to make sure you understand this one as well: when we manipulate the carb level ie in a rotation, we do not also move fats around -- they remain consistently at set point
    the only time this changes, is with that carb meal I prescribed, where an optional TBS of almond butter or real butter and combination of the fat from oats. or rice you are consuming, will add addtl 12-15g fat or so to the day's total..this is fine, and again simply another (lower) impact of that particular meal for metabolism boosting
    Yes that is very clear. I will be fine now go out and win your contest and I will crush this don't you worry. What I lack in knowledge I make up for in tenacity
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yes that is very clear. I will be fine now go out and win your contest and I will crush this don't you worry. What I lack in knowledge I make up for in tenacity
    lol - very good then
    and while my primary point in making that post was of course for your own benefit, understand as well, I do not want you going around and taking a piece of info we have discussed, and advising someone else to do it - esp if you have bastardized and skewed the concept in translation to begin with -- and then say "well this is what snag says so...."

  7. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    lol - very good then
    and while my primary point in making that post was of course for your own benefit, understand as well, I do not want you going around and taking a piece of info we have discussed, and advising someone else to do it - esp if you have bastardized and skewed the concept in translation to begin with -- and then say "well this is what snag says so...."
    no problem I have a pretty good handle not much skewing going down here now. One thing I know is the more I get the principles I can really feel the difference. Like I seem to have more energy and feel healthier over all and I am getting really to like that feeling. This is going to help me off season as well cuz I like the way I feel.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  8. Up very early today, looking forward to the gym. I feel really good lately so it makes going to the gym that much more pleasurable.

    Before I forget I wanted to comment on one thing, the weight loss I am experiencing now is visually different. I can visually see that I have lost more fat than I normally would have given the actual lbs. I would normally have to lose more weight to see these kinds of visual changes. I know 550 is very good for that, it's a great recomp product but I believe the diet has a lot to do with this as well.

    Also better recovery now that I am using the BCAA/SAA pre/intra/post bed and waking.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  9. Incredible workout on arms and rear delts yesterday, it's unbelievable the isolation I am getting on all my exercises, I mean my arms were really aching at end of each set. Will do more pics this morning and hope to get better lighting.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  10. Pics are a bit better this time, I think I look significantly leaner here. I am pleased...

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    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  11. Abs are looking large and separated! I wish I could take my pics in the gym...
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  12. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Abs are looking large and separated! I wish I could take my pics in the gym...
    Thanks Chris, I am not really supposed to but we take them on Saturday when it's less crowded. Even here though my body is being very washed out. I have a ton of vascularity and striations that don't show up in these pics but I think we are all used to that. Oh and Chris you have great feakin abs by the way. Turtle shell abs man they look great!!

    Hey Edge that trick you told me about my back well you should see what it does for my front !!! It's that old problem of my shoulders being pulled forward. I am going to take a towel and bring it down behind head forcing me to pin my shoulders back to stretch these out. When I walk I will pin my shoulders back as well until it becomes natural. Thus is going to make a fuggin huge difference.

    Chris you were the first to notice it I think this has just set off a whole series of improvements thank you guys for this.

    Also want to thank you Steve and sorry I am a bit of a bonehead sometimes but what are you gonna do...? I am trying just to follow exactly what you told me and here are some observations. I have never seen so much leaning so fast without losing significant weight. I feel amazing all the time. I feel fit and my stamina is through the roof. Never have I handles so much volume with so much power while getting so much aching isolation. Every day is a party at the gym.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  13. Thanks Doug!
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thanks Doug!
    You're welcome, 9 weeks out for you and your are all over it.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  15. Glad that shoulder tip works for you!!! Sure you back poses will be more effective!
    OLYMPUS UK REP

  16. Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    Glad that shoulder tip works for you!!! Sure you back poses will be more effective!
    Front ones too lats widen out on front relaxed and front lat spread as well. I had this problem years ago and it's kind of a posture thing, I overcame it for my first show but old habits die hard I guess.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  17. Good workout yesterday for back and calves did a an extra set on all back exercises. With my new focus on my exercises I am gaining some strength in areas I was week before. Like I said I am having a pretty good time with this.

    There is a definite pattern here I seem to get a really quick jump in the fat loss department at the beginning of the week as I already see some pretty positive changes since Saturday.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  18. Great leg day high volume good power all around. Weighed in at 198.5 which does make more sense, still I am holding my size very well and made much more progress than I expected body comp wise.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  19. Good deal, sounds like things are moving in the right direction.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Good deal, sounds like things are moving in the right direction.
    Yah I am content with what I a seeing so far. Performance is through the roof, I just feel really good.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post

    Yah I am content with what I a seeing so far. Performance is through the roof, I just feel really good.
    Nice bro....keep that positive flow, and get in a freaky shape...musclemania
    OLYMPUS UK REP

  22. Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    Nice bro....keep that positive flow, and get in a freaky shape...musclemania
    Yes can't remember ever feeling quite this good. Getting very shredded already with some very nice size.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  23. I see Chris making his move now and I am tempted but things are going so well right now for me I might just drop calories a tad and go with the same kind of plan I am on now.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  24. Yeah I am making my move, the coach had a pretty good plan, lowered carbs a few weeks back but kept fats higher to get the body used to burning them for energy, did that for 2 weeks then lowered fat and now my body is a fat burning furnace. So many ways to skin a cat Doug, I think you will do really well and that book I linked you too will really help out quite a bit.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  25. Fat burning furnace...I need one of those. Amazon?

  26. I saw one at U-Bid, better prices but not as good of a return policy...
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  27. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah I am making my move, the coach had a pretty good plan, lowered carbs a few weeks back but kept fats higher to get the body used to burning them for energy, did that for 2 weeks then lowered fat and now my body is a fat burning furnace. So many ways to skin a cat Doug, I think you will do really well and that book I linked you too will really help out quite a bit.
    I was wondering what the reasoning was behind keeping the fat higher ... seems logical. Yah there seems to be some different ways of getting it done. After reading I decided to keep my carbs steady at 120 and keep the carb days. I will also keep the fats steady at 50. I did not see any sense in cycling carbs when I have the 2 carb meals per week to keep my metabolism up. If I mix starches like sweet potatoes with protein I will make sure get set some nuts in thee as well. This will also help balance my meals.

    Cals will go to 2400 and 2700 on carb up days as I am replacing the last meal instead of adding it on carb days so not that high really.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  28. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Fat burning furnace...I need one of those. Amazon?
    With just two easy minutes a day you just burn fat away with the fat burning furnace. You may never have to get off the couch again lol
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  29. Meal 1 Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
    Grapefruit - Grapefruit - Large (4.5" Diameter) , 1 fruit 106 27 0 2 0 23
    Naturegg - Egg Whites, 1 container (2 cup (63g) ea.) 240 0 0 56 800 0
    Generic - Almonds-Roasted & Salted, 0.5 oz 90 3 7 3 58 1

    436 30 7 61 858 24

    Meal 2
    Ezekiel - Seseme Bread, 2 slice 160 28 1 8 160 0
    Blue Menu - Seasoned Turkey Breast , 1 can drained 90 0 1 20 230 0
    Generic - Almonds-Roasted & Salted, 1 oz 180 6 14 6 115 1

    430 34 16 34 505 1
    Meal 3
    Homemade Salad - Greens, Cucumbers, Peppers, etc, 4 cups 200 10 0 0 0 0
    Blue Menu - Seasoned Turkey Breast , 2 can drained 180 0 2 40 460 0
    380 10 2 40 460 0

    Meal 4
    Blue Menu - Seasoned Turkey Breast , 1 can drained 90 0 1 20 230 0
    Ezekiel - Seseme Bread, 2 slice 160 28 1 8 160 0
    Generic - Almonds-Roasted & Salted, 1 oz 180 6 14 6 115 1

    430 34 16 34 505 1

    Meal 5
    Homemade - Spicy Baked Sweet Potato Fries, 1 cups 85 15 2 1 200 0
    Fresh - Turkey Breast-Cooked, Boneless,Skinless, 9 oz 360 0 3 78 0 0
    445 15 5 79 200 0

    Meal 6
    Naturegg/Simply Egg Whites - All Whites 100% Liquid Egg Whites, 1 container (504 gs ea.) 240 0 0 56 800 0
    240 0 0 56 800 0

    Totals 2,361 123 46 304 3,328 26
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  30. Ok after today's pics (9 weeks out) I will compare them to my 6 week out pics. I should be a little ahead of where I was on the six week out pics ... we'll see.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
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