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  1. Quote Originally Posted by megadeth View Post
    Since when is this the case? I think this is a bit of an overstatement.
    Innovator is more like it. Over the last 10 years PA is probably responsible for more big discoveries in supplements than anyone else out there. Usually what he brings to the market first is what everyone else will have in their product down the road.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by megadeth View Post
    Since when is this the case? I think this is a bit of an overstatement.
    No, he is based on his past involvement in the BALCO scandal. Maybe that is not the best choice of words to use but I don't pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold though he is an excellent source of info from time to time (only read a little of what he posts). He was an innovator prior to his incarceration and I wanted to run his products of the past more so than what little I have seen come out recently. It is neither here nor there, people are allowed to like and believe what they want, I have no skin in the game past helping anyone with BPS.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    No, he is based on his past involvement in the BALCO scandal. Maybe that is not the best choice of words to use but I don't pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold though he is an excellent source of info from time to time (only read a little of what he posts). He was an innovator prior to his incarceration and I wanted to run his products of the past more so than what little I have seen come out recently. It is neither here nor there, people are allowed to like and believe what they want, I have no skin in the game past helping anyone with BPS.
    Nor do I pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold. I do however give respect where it's due. He was an innovator before his incarceration and still is today. All you have do do is take a look at UR spray which is sold out constantly and as far as I have seen has had unanimous positive reviews. Yes, Pat went to prison during the Balco scandal. So what! Lots of the guys that have run supplement companies have gone to prison. Not to mention, Patrick went for doing much less than the supplement companies selling hormones today with impunity are doing. He is one of the guys that paved the way for companies like BPS.

  4. Let's try and keep politics out of this thread and get back to what's important. This stuff is going to be amazing and it is going to be well received by the public.

    Anyone want to guess the name?

  5. Hijack?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Hijack?
    Lol ironic. But, no, not the name. Cool nonetheless.
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  7. In no way are ouifinnys comments about PA representing that of my opinion of PA. Once again he is not speaking on behalf of the company and is speaking his mind not my mind or beliefs on PA. I would like to keep any political or bashing out of my section.

  8. I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Let's try and keep politics out of this thread and get back to what's important. This stuff is going to be amazing and it is going to be well received by the public.

    Anyone want to guess the name?
    Yep. I am no longer going to have an opinion anymore. It's just too much of a distraction from what we are trying to do, educate and answer questions related to BPS products.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  12. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Let's try and keep politics out of this thread and get back to what's important. This stuff is going to be amazing and it is going to be well received by the public.

    Anyone want to guess the name?
    thebigTD
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...
    ok...thebigTDsurge!!!
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ok...thebigTDsurge!!!
    I like it!!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by BulkPerf View Post
    I like it!!
    lol....me too
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ok...thebigTDsurge!!!
    not bad not bad.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
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    This GIF is freaking spectacular and deserves some love!
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  18. Dermasurge

  19. TestSurge. That is in fact what it is supposed to do right?
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  20. Through careful thought we think we are going to go with SurgaSurge. Just sounds right.











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  22. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Through careful thought we think we are going to go with SurgaSurge. Just sounds right.











    For the sarcasm challenged, that was a joke.
    I already posted it on facebook, what?
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve
    Sourdough, pretty sure you misinterpreted Kleen's post. Kleen, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were trying to say that test can be converted to either DHT or estradiol, not that the single sterol skeleton was being split into two separate hormones.

    Edit: I've seen conversion rates in studies both high and low, seems very dependent on model system. Also, there is plenty of evidence of DHEA having beneficial effects in plenty of studies, though the mechanism is still certainly not agreed upon.
    ... this all went down with dermacrine ages ago, points were made but many used the product regardless n given it was basically the only td dhea supp on the market at the time, it kinda did have its place when absolutely needed... which isn't nearly as often as most assumed and def isn't a viable replacement for a test base.

    I really don't know why some company doesn't just come out with a 4dhea supplement in transdermal form for us that would really only be susceptible to aromatising once it's converted to test like the old 4 ad was....

    Then transaderm came out, just like this and it also copied the dermacrine formula n faced the same scrutiny... that's when one of the reps tried to represent a study as a viable reason why it SHOULD be used as a test base... which i actually read and found only proved my point....

    Here's the study n my explanation/footnotes why it's a bad idea....
    http://www.prohormoneforum.com/aas/5...html#post87316

    N here's the original transaderm thread where everything was brought up...

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    Hey Kleen,

    Not trying to rain on your parade or be condescending or anything of the sort... but this is truly a misinformed statement.

    Dht is a product of 5a reductase, not the aromatase enzyme. There are no hormonal "byproducts" of the aromatase process. There is one, single, steroidal skeleton involved, typically in the form of testosterone, the aromatase enzyme attaches and then adds the necessary compound to turn that steroidal skeleton into one bearing the formula for estrogen. Plain and simple. There aren't 2 skeletons that cleave making both estrogen and dht or any other sort of combo. They both occur through their own individual enzymatic conversion processes on individual skeletons [of testosterone].

    Check out any male hormone conversion chart... Google can show many out here's one on my photobucket.... ... and you'll see what I'm talking about.



    Separate point.... kinda... is my disagreement that this is even a viable hormone supplement for the market...

    I know many others like dermacrine have come and gone, impressing many... but i just don't see it and think that any male should avoid supplementing dhea like the plague unless on trt and they need a viable source for other sex hormones...

    I've made multiple arguments, that cite studies, against dhea use(especially transdermal) that i can copy or link if wanted...but essentially it shows how horrible dhea really can be for a man and the horrible ratio of testosterone conversion that occurs compared to estrogen(something like 40% increase in T compared to a 300% increase in E over baseline values) and i know the argument is an AI is included BUT it's not a strong one, def not strong enough to offset those percentages. Not to mention dhea has its own intrinsic effects at the ER AND other metabolites dhea converts to(that an AI can't block)also have direct interactions at the ER....

    So like I said, really unless your lacking in estrogen, I'd avoid taking dhea like the plague.

    Again not trying to start an argument, just making some viable points I'd be happy to back up further if requested to do so.
    Not taking it that way at all and , I completely misspoke when I mentioned they were part of the same process, what Resolve said below is pretty much correct I knew they were both converted from the same substrates. However I was indeed confusing the reductase process as part of the aromatase process since it has been quite a while since I looked at the flow chart. So I can admit my folly there. Good catch and thanks for posting the chart!

    I agree with the high rate of conversion of DHEA to Estro however, I also wonder if some of the studies you are mentioning are based off of oral administration of DHEA and not topical. Oral administration has a higher rate of estro conversion than topical, specifically referring to the upper back and shoulder areas where the conversion to estrogen has been shown to be much lower. Also where the recommended application of DHEA products is in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Sourdough, pretty sure you misinterpreted Kleen's post. Kleen, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were trying to say that test can be converted to either DHT or estradiol, not that the single sterol skeleton was being split into two separate hormones.

    Edit: I've seen conversion rates in studies both high and low, seems very dependent on model system. Also, there is plenty of evidence of DHEA having beneficial effects in plenty of studies, though the mechanism is still certainly not agreed upon.
    Yes I have read multiple studies citing the positive effects of DHEA as well.

    This is good conversation, lets keep it going.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    ok...thebigSTDsurge!!!
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