[thebigt]

dopamine related side effects from entering the blood stream

now you have me very interested in finding a high grade bulk macuna to put in a transdermal solution!!!!

[AZMIDLYF]

now you have me very interested in finding a high grade bulk macuna to put in a transdermal solution!!!!

Why does this not shock me!! Lmao

[Ape McGrapes]

Think topicals fall under The catagory of "cosmetics."

[metroba]

Excellent conversation. As someone on this inside, I can tell you all, you are going to LOVE the new transdermal. I myself am psyched to use it personally, let alone sell it lol.

[steppinRazor]

Excellent conversation. As someone on this inside, I can tell you all, you are going to LOVE the new transdermal. I myself am psyched to use it personally, let alone sell it lol.

So its already been developed?

[metroba]

Indeed it has. If everything goes as planned, we are only a few more weeks out.

[steppinRazor]

Ahhhh..definitely be keeping an eye out

[MrKleen73]

I am very excited to see what this is going to be also.

[jwa254]

Indeed it has. If everything goes as planned, we are only a few more weeks out.

Best news I've heard all week

[oufinny]

Sorry man I didn't mean to come off like that. I thought most people who follow AM would have seen threads talking about Ur spray. Especially if one was interested in Ursolic acid. I didn't mean to speak to your whole team I was speaking to only you and whoever else was in this thread.

I will more than likely get Ur spray to run this summer to help me lean out and maintain muscle when I switch to a more cardio based training program.

Well I have posted here too and didn't know, PA is a pariah in the industry, many of us don't keep up with his company that is poorly represented. Also, many people aren't natty and don't follow what many of the companies make. Best way to go is not assume .

[oufinny]

Indeed it has. If everything goes as planned, we are only a few more weeks out.

This is good news Rob!

[megadeth]

Well I have posted here too and didn't know, PA is a pariah in the industry, many of us don't keep up with his company that is poorly represented. Also, many people aren't natty and don't follow what many of the companies make. Best way to go is not assume .

Since when is this the case? I think this is a bit of an overstatement.

[CobbledPath]

i like BPS, but trash talking PA is lessening this...

[Sourdough]

I agree that pregnenolone is a good part of the formula. However I have to disagree with the statement that DHT is a powerfull A.I.

DHT is not an AI at all. It can counteract some of the effects of Estrogen especially in breast tissue but it is a product of the aromatase process. The acronym AI means Aromatase Inhibitor naturally occuring DHT is one of the 2 hormones created when testosterone or DHEA is aromatized some is converted to DHT and some of it converted to Estrogen.

Part of the reason steroidial DHT is beneficial at minimizing or reducing gyno is that when you begin to shut down from the higher DHT levels there is less testosterone and therefor less estrogen due to less aromatization. An estrogen starved mammary gland will shrink, and if starved of estrogen long enough some of the cells can even die.

Hey Kleen,

Not trying to rain on your parade or be condescending or anything of the sort... but this is truly a misinformed statement.

Dht is a product of 5a reductase, not the aromatase enzyme. There are no hormonal "byproducts" of the aromatase process. There is one, single, steroidal skeleton involved, typically in the form of testosterone, the aromatase enzyme attaches and then adds the necessary compound to turn that steroidal skeleton into one bearing the formula for estrogen. Plain and simple. There aren't 2 skeletons that cleave making both estrogen and dht or any other sort of combo. They both occur through their own individual enzymatic conversion processes on individual skeletons [of testosterone].

Check out any male hormone conversion chart... Google can show many out here's one on my photobucket.... ... and you'll see what I'm talking about.



Separate point.... kinda... is my disagreement that this is even a viable hormone supplement for the market...

I know many others like dermacrine have come and gone, impressing many... but i just don't see it and think that any male should avoid supplementing dhea like the plague unless on trt and they need a viable source for other sex hormones...

I've made multiple arguments, that cite studies, against dhea use(especially transdermal) that i can copy or link if wanted...but essentially it shows how horrible dhea really can be for a man and the horrible ratio of testosterone conversion that occurs compared to estrogen(something like 40% increase in T compared to a 300% increase in E over baseline values) and i know the argument is an AI is included BUT it's not a strong one, def not strong enough to offset those percentages. Not to mention dhea has its own intrinsic effects at the ER AND other metabolites dhea converts to(that an AI can't block)also have direct interactions at the ER....

So like I said, really unless your lacking in estrogen, I'd avoid taking dhea like the plague.

Again not trying to start an argument, just making some viable points I'd be happy to back up further if requested to do so.

[Resolve]

Sourdough, pretty sure you misinterpreted Kleen's post. Kleen, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were trying to say that test can be converted to either DHT or estradiol, not that the single sterol skeleton was being split into two separate hormones.

Edit: I've seen conversion rates in studies both high and low, seems very dependent on model system. Also, there is plenty of evidence of DHEA having beneficial effects in plenty of studies, though the mechanism is still certainly not agreed upon.

[Geoforce]

Since when is this the case? I think this is a bit of an overstatement.

Innovator is more like it. Over the last 10 years PA is probably responsible for more big discoveries in supplements than anyone else out there. Usually what he brings to the market first is what everyone else will have in their product down the road.

[oufinny]

Since when is this the case? I think this is a bit of an overstatement.

No, he is based on his past involvement in the BALCO scandal. Maybe that is not the best choice of words to use but I don't pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold though he is an excellent source of info from time to time (only read a little of what he posts). He was an innovator prior to his incarceration and I wanted to run his products of the past more so than what little I have seen come out recently. It is neither here nor there, people are allowed to like and believe what they want, I have no skin in the game past helping anyone with BPS.

[megadeth]

No, he is based on his past involvement in the BALCO scandal. Maybe that is not the best choice of words to use but I don't pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold though he is an excellent source of info from time to time (only read a little of what he posts). He was an innovator prior to his incarceration and I wanted to run his products of the past more so than what little I have seen come out recently. It is neither here nor there, people are allowed to like and believe what they want, I have no skin in the game past helping anyone with BPS.

Nor do I pray at the alter of Patrick Arnold. I do however give respect where it's due. He was an innovator before his incarceration and still is today. All you have do do is take a look at UR spray which is sold out constantly and as far as I have seen has had unanimous positive reviews. Yes, Pat went to prison during the Balco scandal. So what! Lots of the guys that have run supplement companies have gone to prison. Not to mention, Patrick went for doing much less than the supplement companies selling hormones today with impunity are doing. He is one of the guys that paved the way for companies like BPS.

[metroba]

Let's try and keep politics out of this thread and get back to what's important. This stuff is going to be amazing and it is going to be well received by the public.

Anyone want to guess the name?

[AZMIDLYF]

Hijack?

[metroba]

Hijack?

Lol ironic. But, no, not the name. Cool nonetheless.

[BPS]

In no way are ouifinnys comments about PA representing that of my opinion of PA. Once again he is not speaking on behalf of the company and is speaking his mind not my mind or beliefs on PA. I would like to keep any political or bashing out of my section.

[Resolve]

I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...

[BPS]

I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...

[metroba]

I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...

[oufinny]

Let's try and keep politics out of this thread and get back to what's important. This stuff is going to be amazing and it is going to be well received by the public.

Anyone want to guess the name?

Yep. I am no longer going to have an opinion anymore. It's just too much of a distraction from what we are trying to do, educate and answer questions related to BPS products.

[thebigt]

Let's try and keep politics out of this thread and get back to what's important. This stuff is going to be amazing and it is going to be well received by the public.

Anyone want to guess the name?

thebigTD

[thebigt]

I haven't even been told what the new name is gonna be. I'm thinking 'surge' is gonna be involved somehow... hmm...

ok...thebigTDsurge!!!

[BPS]

ok...thebigTDsurge!!!

I like it!!

[thebigt]

I like it!!

lol....me too