BPS' What's improved with the upcoming DHEA transdermal

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    as a side note....i know bps is not likely to put minoxidil in any of their transdermals, but adding a small amount to your transdermal solution will increase asbsorption by a noticeable amount.


    -just thought i would pass this along, this has worked on every kind of transdermal i have put it in......
    Didn't know that. Awesome.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mattikus View Post
    Didn't know that. Awesome.
    it's not as effective as dmso, but you don't have the smell and other sides either...dmso is very potent stuff, imo...minoxidil will get the job done and is safe.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    it's not as effective as dmso, but you don't have the smell and other sides either...dmso is very potent stuff, imo...minoxidil will get the job done and is safe.
    That is a really good suggestion Tom. I had no idea that made a difference. DMSO is definitely not my favorite ingredient that is for sure.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  4. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    That is a really good suggestion Tom. I had no idea that made a difference. DMSO is definitely not my favorite ingredient that is for sure.
    ...

    dr.d mentioned it in the old formestane thread a few years ago, i tried it and have been doing it every since...the difference is definately noticeable, at least to me!!! definately worth a shot...
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  5. Straight from the horses mouth...well, sort of.
    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    dht and its metabolite 5a-androstandione have been identified as having aromatase inhibition activity. they may act as receptor antagonists too, or post receptor modulators of estrogen gene expression
    I'm going to take PA's word on this.

    Now put some Epiandrosterone in this BPS.

    4-DHEA+Epiandrosterone+Pregnalon e for the win.
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  6. i always said that DHT is great stuff for you, the anti estrogen you can get LOL.
    doing my own thang!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ...

    dr.d mentioned it in the old formestane thread a few years ago, i tried it and have been doing it every since...the difference is definately noticeable, at least to me!!! definately worth a shot...
    Where do you get said additive?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Where do you get said additive?
    lol....it is the active ingredient in rogaine!!! if you look in the clearance sections at drugstores and walmart you can find it marked down sometimes. i got a big bottle of generic minoxidil in the markdown section at krogers for $9. it lasted a very long time as not a whole lot is needed.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lol....it is the active ingredient in rogaine!!! if you look in the clearance sections at drugstores and walmart you can find it marked down sometimes. i got a big bottle of generic minoxidil in the markdown section at krogers for $9. it lasted a very long time as not a whole lot is needed.
    So how much would I put in a bottle of FormaSurge Tom?
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  10. Just a thought on a little something to add. L-carnitine. If im not mistaken it is an androgen receptor inhancer among other things. So the way I see it, the dhea that does actually convert to test will have more receptors to attatch to. I could be totally out in left field with this though.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by shanedoolie View Post
    Just a thought on a little something to add. L-carnitine. If im not mistaken it is an androgen receptor inhancer among other things. So the way I see it, the dhea that does actually convert to test will have more receptors to attatch to. I could be totally out in left field with this though.
    It depends on if it will make it through the skin and at what rate if it does. It is actually LCLT that is the one you want but yes, carnitine is an excellent suggestion!
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    So how much would I put in a bottle of FormaSurge Tom?
    a tablespoon does the trick for me!!!
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    It depends on if it will make it through the skin and at what rate if it does. It is actually LCLT that is the one you want but yes, carnitine is an excellent suggestion!
    i have never heard of transdermal lclt? you would have to check the molecular weight to see if it is compatible with the formasurge carrier...usually hormonals like formestane need a different carrier than say a caffeine/yohimbine fatburner.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by antknee02 View Post
    any hint on an eta?
    I don't know of one.
    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    That is a really good suggestion Tom. I had no idea that made a difference. DMSO is definitely not my favorite ingredient that is for sure.
    Yeah some people break out in rashes from DMSO.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ...

    dr.d mentioned it in the old formestane thread a few years ago, i tried it and have been doing it every since...the difference is definately noticeable, at least to me!!! definately worth a shot...
    Interesting. I wonder what other effect it has doesn't it have an affinity to the AR receptors isn't that how it blocks DHT from the hair follicle? Although as low dosed as it would be and only localized I bet isn't too big a deal just curious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Straight from the horses mouth...well, sort of.


    I'm going to take PA's word on this.

    Now put some Epiandrosterone in this BPS.

    4-DHEA+Epiandrosterone+Pregnalon e for the win.
    Who is PA, Just playing. Now we are talking a different animal completely. However a sexy sounding one.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i have never heard of transdermal lclt? you would have to check the molecular weight to see if it is compatible with the formasurge carrier...usually hormonals like formestane need a different carrier than say a caffeine/yohimbine fatburner.
    Interesting I wonder if this would work. I just use AI Sports LCLT bulk powder is a sweet deal.
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  15. no, chris...minoxidil isn't the same as finerestide or whatever the anti-dht drug is called. it has no effect on hormones that i know of-actually it was a oral bp drug until they found that topically it grew hair, lol.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    isn't there a huge difference between a anti-estrogen like letro, and a aromatase inhibitor like say formestane. other than their mode of action that is.
    They're both aromatase inhibitors, but letro is reversible while formestane is steroidal and suicidal. Neither interact directly with the ER as part of their main MOA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Straight from the horses mouth...well, sort of.


    I'm going to take PA's word on this.

    Now put some Epiandrosterone in this BPS.

    4-DHEA+Epiandrosterone+Pregnalon e for the win.
    Considering I still haven't seen any actual data on the matter, I take such scientific claims with a grain of salt. It's unsupported claims that lead to bro-science.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i have never heard of transdermal lclt? you would have to check the molecular weight to see if it is compatible with the formasurge carrier...usually hormonals like formestane need a different carrier than say a caffeine/yohimbine fatburner.
    LCLT, from what I can find, has a MW of 472, which is a bit too big for TD. Sucks, this would be awesome!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    LCLT, from what I can find, has a MW of 472, which is a bit too big for TD. Sucks, this would be awesome!
    I had a feeling that would unfortunately be the case.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    LCLT, from what I can find, has a MW of 472, which is a bit too big for TD. Sucks, this would be awesome!
    it would of been cool and convenient to include lclt in a transdermal, but not really sure it would have improved results significantly over oral anyways??? at one time i thought about including divaniil in a td, but would have to experiment to see if it improved results significantly over oral...
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  20. Ursolic Acid

    Interestingly, Ursolic acid has also been shown to be an effective blocker of the enzyme aromatase, so it has the potential to control estrogen production and maximize testosterone release
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Ursolic AcidInterestingly, Ursolic acid has also been shown to be an effective blocker of the enzyme aromatase, so it has the potential to control estrogen production and maximize testosterone release
    Topical Urso would be an interesting addition for sure.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Ursolic Acid

    Interestingly, Ursolic acid has also been shown to be an effective blocker of the enzyme aromatase, so it has the potential to control estrogen production and maximize testosterone release

    pa thinks so, lol.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    L-dopa
    macuna is another one i have thought of....hell, why not make a topical endosurge?
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    macuna is another one i have thought of....hell, why not make a topical endosurge?
    Hmm... Actually, that's a pretty good idea of it could be done! Resolve, Mr Biology Man, what says you on this idea?
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