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    Noticed strength increase too. Although maybe endurance. Going from workout to workout I noticed I was able to perform more reps with the same weight. I got my pb with bodyweight pull ups. It maybe slowed down lactic acid build up or somehow improved endurance. I didn't notice much in the way of bodyweight change but that's didtated by diet.


  2. I realise increasing reps is a normal thing btw but over such a small period of time (4 weeks) some exercises were quite noticeable. Pull ups specifically were a sticking point for me and my rep range had plateaued but they increased by a good 3 or 4 reps per set.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by BloodManor View Post
    I totally agree with you - most supp companies claims are extremely exaggerated and it should stop. But a company and personal statements are 2 totally different beasts.
    Completely agree with you. However, those statements werent off a board, they were posted by said company on their site to promote a particular supp. In other words, it appears these claims are substantiated by the company. Essentially the same beast

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ironkill View Post
    Completely agree with you. However, those statements werent off a board, they were posted by said company on their site to promote a particular supp. In other words, it appears these claims are substantiated by the company. Essentially the same beast
    Hes talking about his personal statements. I for one have never heard him claim anything unbelievable about any natural anabolic. This is one of the board members i respect the most here he doesnt make wild claims about a product just because he reps for the company

  5. Quote Originally Posted by christ83189 View Post
    Hes talking about his personal statements. I for one have never heard him claim anything unbelievable about any natural anabolic. This is one of the board members i respect the most here he doesnt make wild claims about a product just because he reps for the company
    Fair enough, I read it as personal claims from users, thats on me. I have lots of respect for him and the company he reps as well. No disrespect intended whatsoever. Just a good convo. Im just used to reps pushing their own products, its rare for one to agree that their own products dont stand up to the claims made by the company or user feedback. refreshing indeed
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ttortman78 View Post
    I have done very well with vector. The strength enhancement is what really stands out for me. But I must say that this should not be used on a caloric deficit or even a mild surplus. My second run I tried 6 weeks on a mild surplus and I would find myself getting cranky and moody if I hadn't had a meal in awhile. The strength wasn't as pronounced either. I know the strength enhancement was real because on my first run I was in a modest surplus and I didn't change any variables from the 2 previous months before my first run, and my strength noticeably increased on vector. Another tip I have is to save one dose of vector for pre-workout. I do a 2/2/2 scheme, and 2 of those are always pre. The difference in my aggression in the gym is worth the pre-workout dose. It definitely has some acute effects though whatever mechanism I am not sure. If you are not taking some pre you are wasting it.
    Again I fully agree here.
    VEctor is very good at shuttling glycogen into muscles and nutrients into muscles which is great.....if your eating enough.
    If not you will not only not see gains but you will likely go backwards a bit in weight as the body wont have enough calories to fuel new growth.

    This is why I keep telling everyone to progressively eat more and more and more.
    This is where the magic happens.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  7. Quote Originally Posted by christ83189 View Post
    Hes talking about his personal statements. I for one have never heard him claim anything unbelievable about any natural anabolic. This is one of the board members i respect the most here he doesnt make wild claims about a product just because he reps for the company
    Thank you I always try to be neutral and posts my personal experiences

    Quote Originally Posted by ironkill View Post
    Fair enough, I read it as personal claims from users, thats on me. I have lots of respect for him and the company he reps as well. No disrespect intended whatsoever. Just a good convo. Im just used to reps pushing their own products, its rare for one to agree that their own products dont stand up to the claims made by the company or user feedback. refreshing indeed
    Thanks for the kind words. I don’t push anything I don’t believe in and only if it’s someone wants. I recommend other people’s products all the time. I’m just a supp and gym junkie
    -Chaos and Pain Rep -
    www.chaosandpain.com
    20% off = brice20 (Not my personal code - just there to hook up AM members)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Again I fully agree here.
    VEctor is very good at shuttling glycogen into muscles and nutrients into muscles which is great.....if your eating enough.
    If not you will not only not see gains but you will likely go backwards a bit in weight as the body wont have enough calories to fuel new growth.

    This is why I keep telling everyone to progressively eat more and more and more.
    This is where the magic happens.
    I’ve enjoyed vector so much during my bulk that I wanted to continue using it into my cut. Would that be a waste of product and better saved for a future bulk run again?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by anthon88 View Post
    I’ve enjoyed vector so much during my bulk that I wanted to continue using it into my cut. Would that be a waste of product and better saved for a future bulk run again?
    Actually no its good for cutting as well because it can really help you to maintain muscle and it tends to reduce blood sugar which is good for fat loss.
    Increased metabolism
    Lower blood sugar
    More muscle maintained
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    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  10. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Actually no its good for cutting as well because it can really help you to maintain muscle and it tends to reduce blood sugar which is good for fat loss.
    Increased metabolism
    Lower blood sugar
    More muscle maintained
    +
    Sounds good! I’m just going to have to figure how to control the massive hunger I get from it. Fat burners may help blunt it down the line but I usually don’t add them in right away.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Actually no its good for cutting as well because it can really help you to maintain muscle and it tends to reduce blood sugar which is good for fat loss.
    Increased metabolism
    Lower blood sugar
    More muscle maintained
    +
    How about follidrone on a cut? I hear people bring it up a lot and swear by it.
    -Chaos and Pain Rep -
    www.chaosandpain.com
    20% off = brice20 (Not my personal code - just there to hook up AM members)

  12. Quote Originally Posted by anthon88 View Post
    Sounds good! Iím just going to have to figure how to control the massive hunger I get from it. Fat burners may help blunt it down the line but I usually donít add them in right away.
    Might look at FD2 and Letrone for a cut.
    Personally I can only Bulk or recomp on Vector. (Like you said the hunger. It's more like my body is craving cals. all the time.
    Pro God, Pro Gun, Pro Life.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    Might look at FD2 and Letrone for a cut.
    Personally I can only Bulk or recomp on Vector. (Like you said the hunger. It's more like my body is craving cals. all the time.
    I’ve been running FD2 and Letrone during my bulk as well. Was planning on running FD2 on my cut as well. And how you described it is exactly the same way I feel, my body is craving calories. I can eat to the point of being quite full and then a little while later I feel like I haven’t eaten. If I can somehow manage running it during a cut I feel like it could be quite effective.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by anthon88 View Post
    I’ve been running FD2 and Letrone during my bulk as well. Was planning on running FD2 on my cut as well. And how you described it is exactly the same way I feel, my body is craving calories. I can eat to the point of being quite full and then a little while later I feel like I haven’t eaten. If I can somehow manage running it during a cut I feel like it could be quite effective.
    Give it a shot. It would be great if you could eat at maintenance you should cut pretty good with the stack you are taking!

    I just don't have the will power on Vector to cut calories.
    This is me. At my age I workout as an old addiction. I Don't have the diet discipline I use to because I don't want to. I try to eat clean but if someone offers me a cookie I'm probably going to eat it. lol
    In the spring I log my diet and try to hit my maintenance numbers. If I fail I don't beat myself up like I use to.

    For some Vector doesn't give them the same cravings for calories.
    Pro God, Pro Gun, Pro Life.

  15. Vector cravings for me subsided completely after about 3 months continued use.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    Give it a shot. It would be great if you could eat at maintenance you should cut pretty good with the stack you are taking!

    I just don't have the will power on Vector to cut calories.
    This is me. At my age I workout as an old addiction. I Don't have the diet discipline I use to because I don't want to. I try to eat clean but if someone offers me a cookie I'm probably going to eat it. lol
    In the spring I log my diet and try to hit my maintenance numbers. If I fail I don't beat myself up like I use to.

    For some Vector doesn't give them the same cravings for calories.
    I’m definitely going to go for it since I bought 3 more bottles of each on their cyber Monday sale lol. January is going to be about very minor cut backs (like switching back to fat free milk from whole milk) and implementing just a tiny bit of cardio. This is the biggest I’ve ever been and want my body to adjust to it’s new size before I go full cut mode.

    Then down the line throwing in some EC with this stack should be pretty fun. I actually collected a few different promising fat burners I want to try out later on...anything to crush the appetite lol

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Vector cravings for me subsided completely after about 3 months continued use.
    Interesting. I’m finishing up week 7...will see what happens as I get further in.

  18. I'm finishing up week 8 and my weight has been steady at 177, my skinfold measurement on my abdomen is down 4 mm, strength is up slightly and my bg has been a solid 90. I am only eating between 300 and 500 surplus. I do not have the hunger that some report. I will run this for the remainder of my 12 weeks. I am a big fan of blr but I have to admit, I have had better results with fd2 as far as a solo product goes. I started my run with exotherm and vector but dropped the exotherm because I wanted to see what vector did solo in regards to recomp. I guess my midsection being down 4 mm is a plus with my weight remaining steady.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by BloodManor View Post
    How about follidrone on a cut? I hear people bring it up a lot and swear by it.
    Follidrone is fantastic for a cut. Great at controlling blood sugar, good at helping with fat loss and really helps you hold onto muscle while cutting.
    I like follidrone, exotherm, letrone on a cut.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  20. Quote Originally Posted by anthon88 View Post
    Iíve been running FD2 and Letrone during my bulk as well. Was planning on running FD2 on my cut as well. And how you described it is exactly the same way I feel, my body is craving calories. I can eat to the point of being quite full and then a little while later I feel like I havenít eaten. If I can somehow manage running it during a cut I feel like it could be quite effective.
    The hunger is tough while cutting but this hunger comes from an increase in utilization of your calories. Greater protein synthesis, greater glucose uptake into cells etc. If you can manage the hunger vector is great for cutting as well.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jmero2 View Post
    I'm finishing up week 8 and my weight has been steady at 177, my skinfold measurement on my abdomen is down 4 mm, strength is up slightly and my bg has been a solid 90. I am only eating between 300 and 500 surplus. I do not have the hunger that some report. I will run this for the remainder of my 12 weeks. I am a big fan of blr but I have to admit, I have had better results with fd2 as far as a solo product goes. I started my run with exotherm and vector but dropped the exotherm because I wanted to see what vector did solo in regards to recomp. I guess my midsection being down 4 mm is a plus with my weight remaining steady.
    I don't understand why people buy a supplement and then don't utilize it at all. Your paying for it. Use it bro.
    Don't wait for some magic response.
    You want to get leaner? Add cardio, cut carbs etc.
    You want to get bigger, progressively add calories.
    If your not growing at the current calories then your not going to magically start without added cals.
    Increase cals another 500.
    Start progressively adding weight and reps and cardio etc.
    Things will change. The results will be vastly better with vector.

    You know these products work. Take advantage bro!
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  22. I also want to add... I've worked with hundreds of training and diet clients over the years as I used to have a thriving coaching brand.
    I also helped guys with... Peds.
    Not once, ever, did I suggest running a cycle and then doing nothing to see if the gear works. Worst advice ever from any coach.
    "do nothing and see how well it works"
    Even with gear you make alterations to diet and training on a weekly or even daily basis. There is 0 reasons to not do the same with supplements which are much less efficacious.
    If anything you need to be more diligent and on top of things.

    Simply put.
    Bulk. Eat more move less.
    Cut eat less, move more.
    But not do nothing and wish for gains. Ever.

    I still work with a number of people close to me. Employees and close friends etc. Many of them use blr supps only, no aas or pH or ds. All are progressing.
    Some are progressing exceptionally well. Slower than aas yes. But still very well and we use the same formulas I used for aas clients.

    None, not one, fails to grow or cut.
    Why? Because they work hard.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  23. Vector required me to add an extra meal each day just to maintain / re-comp. This alone has had many benefits to overall condition. So many comments about folks (new to training and supplementation and also advanced users) running Vector at a 'surplus' but not gaining weight week after week and they don't adjust their calories. A surplus is only a surplus if your gaining weight.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Vector required me to add an extra meal each day just to maintain / re-comp. This alone has had many benefits to overall condition. So many comments about folks (new to training and supplementation and also advanced users) running Vector at a 'surplus' but not gaining weight week after week and they don't adjust their calories. A surplus is only a surplus if your gaining weight.
    Exactly. If your stalled what is the logical next step. Wait and hope something magically changes? Of course not because it won't.
    Up cals.
    Start increasing weight and reps.
    Progressively. Meaning not once per cycle. Absolutely min=weekly changes in food intake and rep/weight lifted.

    This is the basic 101 bodybuilding.
    Eat to grow.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs

  25. We have some ebooks coming. One is already done.
    1. Supplement guide for muscle growth.
    2. Diet
    3. Training
    BLACK LION RESEARCH
    Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
    -Steve Jobs
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