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  1. Will post my review on this badboy


  2. What's the caffeine content? Idk if it's been discussed and most consumers would like to know.
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  3. Quality at its best
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im sure we will run some contests and other things.
    Either way if your an entrepreneur you really want to get in on this stuff.

    In the last few days I designed the new logo, created all of the new labels, wrote the writeup, designed most of the sales website, on top of product manufacturing and some other daily things........Brain on full tilt. This stuff is no joke.
    I wear alot of hats. On top of it I am normally more on the mellow side. Im not one of those go go go people.
    Nootrol has made a HUGE difference for me personally.

    This stuff really is sort of like a limitless pill. Over the first 2 weeks things really open up. But after a month or 2 I realized that things were really different.
    Youll see.

    Oh....and its not a stimulant.
    I know alot of people take things like adderall with the impression that stimulants are the key to success.
    If this was true we would have tons of super successful meth addicts.


    There are none

    CNS Stimulants DO rot your brain.
    Neurotransmitter stimulants.
    Cerebral blood flow
    Brain antioxidants.
    Thats where its at.
    Nice profile. I've always been a big fan of rhodiola, and BF-7 is definitely a novel addition. I'm thinking of picking up some standalone BF-7 to try, then trying Nootrol after that.

    Regarding stimulants, I completely agree that a good nootropic formula isn't just a ton of stimulants thrown together with a dusting of "cognitive/nootropic" ingredients added to fluff up the label, but there have been, and still are, a good number of successful people who use some pretty strong "stimulants," not that I support it, or think it's a good idea.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Very impressed by the profile! I figured you would bring the innovation! I have played with many noots (some hits & many misses) and seem to get side effects from even the fairly basic ones like bacopa, Noopept and even alpha GPC (in higher doses). I am a business owner/entrepreneur so I am constantly testing new nootropics for the brain power boost. Really looking forward to this one!
    Im not sure if you could tolerate the long winded writeup but exactly this^^^^ is the problem with "nootropic" products.
    All of those things, Bacopa, Noopept, Alpha GPC, etc all cause side effects that are intolerable and in some cases hazardous. Lots of reports of long term negatives just form short term Noopept use for example or short term racetam use. Same happens for me. Even a bit too much choline and I feel TERRIBLE. The key lies in balancing the other neurotransmitters. Salidroside and of course the Tyrosol coupled with the centella works this out for us.
    This is why youll see that all of the testers in the trial we ran mentioned feeling great. Increased mood, better social interaction etc, on top of increased scores across the board.
    This stuff really is unique in spite of some of the ingredients being well known.
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  6. More interested in trying the salidrosides at 10% and tyrosol. Ceretropic has a product that reminds me of this with 10mg tyrosol and 10mg salidrosides.

    Not too thrilled about it being proprietary, but I can understand the reasoning. May want to try this out for my board prep/exam if it comes out soon enough.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    What's the caffeine content? Idk if it's been discussed and most consumers would like to know.
    50mg
    Enough to do what we want from caffeine without much stimulation. If your SUPER sensitive to caffeine you may not want to take before bed.
    Keep in mind most pre workout products have 300mg.
    A large starbucks on ice is 450mg.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    More interested in trying the salidrosides at 10% and tyrosol. Ceretropic has a product that reminds me of this with 10mg tyrosol and 10mg salidrosides.

    Not too thrilled about it being proprietary, but I can understand the reasoning. May want to try this out for my board prep/exam if it comes out soon enough.
    Everything is in there at full doses. You have my word, nothing is shorted, except the caffeine which I mentioned is 50mg. per cap.
    Here is the thing...there is no product that has BF7, Salidroside and tyrosol, centella and caffeine. You might be able to find them separate but not combined.

    Also...not all extracts are made equally.
    BF7 is very touchy. Ive heard reports of the most common BF7 on the market and people saying it didnt work for them.
    Buyer beware. This same company also sells cheap, poor, underdosed ecklonia.

    For those looking to try the ingredients solo, remember the whole point of the ingredient panel is that each counteracts the sides from each other.
    So taking 1-2...is nothing like taking Nootrol.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Nice profile. I've always been a big fan of rhodiola, and BF-7 is definitely a novel addition. I'm thinking of picking up some standalone BF-7 to try, then trying Nootrol after that.

    Regarding stimulants, I completely agree that a good nootropic formula isn't just a ton of stimulants thrown together with a dusting of "cognitive/nootropic" ingredients added to fluff up the label, but there have been, and still are, a good number of successful people who use some pretty strong "stimulants," not that I support it, or think it's a good idea.
    Be sure to also buy some ancillaries. Unless you want nothing but a headache and brainfog.
    Out of balance acetylcholine is rough.

    of course the stimulant comment was a general statement.
    I def wouldnt recommend it.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    What's the caffeine content? Idk if it's been discussed and most consumers would like to know.
    Would like to know caffeone content as well. It seems caffeine is indispensable for nootropics these days. Im trying to wean myself off caffeine so slightly dissapointed its in this otherwise novel product.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by ucheoma View Post
    Would like to know caffeone content as well. It seems caffeine is indispensable for nootropics these days. Im trying to wean myself off caffeine so slightly dissapointed its in this otherwise novel product.
    I drink the weakest coffee known to man. My GF makes coffee in the morning and I cut it with 75% hot water before I drink it.
    I dont even notice the 50mg.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Be sure to also buy some ancillaries. Unless you want nothing but a headache and brainfog.
    Out of balance acetylcholine is rough.
    Thanks for the tips. I always have some high quality rhodiola on hand (it's a great supplement in many ways), and I also have high-quality bacopa (which, although not the same as Gotu Kola, covers a lot of the same bases and has historically, if technically incorrectly, often been used interchangeably with bacopa, and modern research has shown that they have significant similarities).
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Be sure to also buy some ancillaries. Unless you want nothing but a headache and brainfog.
    Out of balance acetylcholine is rough.

    of course the stimulant comment was a general statement.
    I def wouldnt recommend it.
    this similar to the racetam headache without a choline source?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Thanks for the tips. I always have some high quality rhodiola on hand (it's a great supplement in many ways), and I also have high-quality bacopa (which, although not the same as Gotu Kola, covers a lot of the same bases and has historically, if technically incorrectly, often been used interchangeably with bacopa, and modern research has shown that they have significant similarities).
    Lots of people do mistake Centella with bacopa but they are different in alot of ways.
    Of course I have reasons for choosing Centella.
    I tried both extensively. Bacopa gave me severe gastro distress and even vomiting on one occasion.
    It also should be taken with some fats or its actives are not well absorbed. Some people dont seem to experience these sides but....if people start vomiting from a product sales drop pretty quick.

    Centella had all the positives I wanted with 0 negatives.
    Plus it really makes you feel great.

    If you like Rhodiola youll LOVE tyrosol. Its like removing 100% of the BS and just getting right to it.
    Or like instead of taking one of the DHEA PHs just injecting test or DHT or 1-test. The effects are vastly increased.
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  15. SYMPTOMS OF HIGH ACH=

    Subdued or depressed mood
    Anhedonia (inability to experience pleasure)
    Difficulty concentrating
    Difficulty with higher-order or complex thought processes
    Mental fatigue
    Mental confusion
    Memory problems
    Decreased motivation
    Feeling overly sleepy or tired (particularly in the evening), despite adequate sleep and rest
    Difficulty understanding or performing tasks
    Pessimistic, negative ideation or rumination
    Feelings of helplessnes and hopelessness
    Fretfulness
    Irritability or anger
    Emotional heightening and lability
    Sadness, tearfulness
    Blurred vision
    Headache
    Dry mouth
    Altered sense of smell; heighted sensitivity to odors; olfactory delusions
    Stomach pain or discomfort
    Intestinal gas or bloating
    Diarrhea or constipation
    Nausea, dizziness, and vomiting
    Muscle pain or discomfort
    Joint pain, discomfort, or swelling
    Tooth or jaw pain or discomfort
    Tingling or numbness in arms or legs
    Muscle weakness
    Increased urinary frequency or problems with bladder control
    Flu or cold-like symptoms
    Weakening of immune system and increased susceptibility to illness
    Cough
    Nasal discharge
    Chills or sensation of cold
    Cold feet, hands
    Sleep disturbance
    Introversion
    Anxiety
    More and vivid dreaming, and higher incidence of nightmares
    Decreased levels in the brain of the neurotransmitters, serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine
    Interference with the release of the above brain transmitters, because of higher inhibition


    Note: There is an inverse, antagonistic relationship between acetycholine (ACh) and serotonin (SE) in the brain. In other words as the quantity of one increases, the quantity of the other decreases. A certain amount of ACh is necessary for normal, optimal brain function. Memory, motivation, higher-order thought processes, sexual desire and activity, and sleep (among other things) depend on ACh. In lower amounts, ACh can act like a stimulant by releasing norepinephrine (NE) and dopamine (DA). However, those brain chemicals are used up (depleted) in the process; and a deficiency can occur. Too much ACh relative to other brain chemicals such as SE, NE, and DA has an adverse effect on brain function. This is because in larger quantities ACh acts like an inhibitory neurotransmitter, causing increased nervous system inhibition (depression). Important to remember is that, in general, as ACh levels go up in the brain, the levels of the other brain transmitters go down. This must be countered at all costs.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    this similar to the racetam headache without a choline source?
    This is why I used the strong doses of other ingredients to crank up antagonistic neurotransmitters.
    Without this counterbalance nootropics are faulty and can cause side effects that greatly outweigh the positives.
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  16. Also I wanted to mention, for those who were not here. We ran a public trial with Nootrol.
    5 testers.
    We had them all take a battery of tests. Memory, learning, reaction time, IQ.
    They then took Nootrol for 2 weeks and retested. 100% had increases across the board. One tester had a 27 point IQ increase...insane.
    Ill post the trial results.
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  17. How about you post a link for me to buy it

  18. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Also I wanted to mention, for those who were not here. We ran a public trial with Nootrol.
    5 testers.
    We had them all take a battery of tests. Memory, learning, reaction time, IQ.
    They then took Nootrol for 2 weeks and retested. 100% had increases across the board. One tester had a 27 point IQ increase...insane.
    Ill post the trial results.
    Well if you really want to test it, you should give it to med student studying for his board exams
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Lots of people do mistake Centella with bacopa but they are different in alot of ways.
    Of course I have reasons for choosing Centella.
    I tried both extensively. Bacopa gave me severe gastro distress and even vomiting on one occasion.
    It also should be taken with some fats or its actives are not well absorbed. Some people dont seem to experience these sides but....if people start vomiting from a product sales drop pretty quick.

    Centella had all the positives I wanted with 0 negatives.
    Plus it really makes you feel great.

    If you like Rhodiola youll LOVE tyrosol. Its like removing 100% of the BS and just getting right to it.
    Or like instead of taking one of the DHEA PHs just injecting test or DHT or 1-test. The effects are vastly increased.
    Luckily my stomach handles bacopa fine, even upwards of 600mg/day on an empty stomach, so I'm good there, haha.
    They have both been historically recommended to be taken with some fats (I think Ghee butter was something that was used a lot).

    Regarding rhodiola, not that there's anything wrong with a higher salidroside extract, and tyrosol is definitely great and allows you to use a lower dose, thus saving space and whatnot, but I know there seems to be a point of diminishing returns (there is with everything) in regards to rhodiola doses (I'm sure you dosed it properly, haha), and luckily I have found a good and very affordable extract that I am quite pleased with.

    I think what I'll do is try some BF-7 and rhodiola (I'm already taking bacopa, so don't really see a vital need to add any Centella on top of it all), and then after that I'll try Nootrol and report back to you if I notice any differences between the two. I can also play around with the BF-7 and rhodiola doses for fun.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Luckily my stomach handles bacopa fine, even upwards of 600mg/day on an empty stomach, so I'm good there, haha.
    They have both been historically recommended to be taken with some fats (I think Ghee butter was something that was used a lot).

    Regarding rhodiola, not that there's anything wrong with a higher salidroside extract, and tyrosol is definitely great and allows you to use a lower dose, thus saving space and whatnot, but I know there seems to be a point of diminishing returns (there is with everything) in regards to rhodiola doses (I'm sure you dosed it properly, haha), and luckily I have found a good and very affordable extract that I am quite pleased with.

    I think what I'll do is try some BF-7 and rhodiola (I'm already taking bacopa, so don't really see a vital need to add any Centella on top of it all), and then after that I'll try Nootrol and report back to you if I notice any differences between the two. I can also play around with the BF-7 and rhodiola doses for fun.
    Im def interested to see what you think compared.
    The BF7 extracts currently available dont seem to be great. I dont recommend the SW brand.
    Let us know what you think.
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  21. Bacopa has never given me any GI issues. I used to use it for its improvement in memory. I had to stop using it because it would kill my motivation. It's a known side effect of bacopa, but it is not very common. Bacopa seems to work well with most people.

  22. I have to get the rest of the results from work but here are a few of the trial results=


    Results from initial test; BEFORE NOOTROL
    MemTrax test - 92% correct .865 Mean Reaction Time
    Human Benchmark tests
    1957 points in Visual Memory
    41 on Verbal Memory
    Reaction Time of 325.0ms
    11 on Number Memory
    Psychology Today Memory Test - 81
    IQ Test - 105

    Results from second test; 2 WEEKS NOOTROL
    Test results 11/08
    MemTrax test - 96% .737 Mean Reaction Time
    Human Benchmark Tests
    Visual Memory- 6687
    Verbal Memory - 47
    Reaction Time - 321.0 ms
    Number Memory - 10 digits
    Psychology Today Memory Test - 84
    IQ Test - 115

    Results from 11/21 4 WEEKS NOOTROL.
    MemTrax Test 96% .728 Mean Reaction Time
    Human Benchmark Tests
    Visual Memory - 7243
    Verbal Memory - 52
    Reaction Time - 304.0 ms
    Number Memory - 10 digits
    Psychology Today Memory Test - 97
    IQ Test - 127


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    Human Benchmark
    Number memory: 10 digits, 69%
    Reaction Time: 239 ms
    Verbal Memory: 22 points
    Visual Memory: level 7, score 2698

    MemTrax: 90%, mean reaction time 0.827 seconds

    Psychology Today: 74

    Iqtest: 101

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    Human Benchmark
    Number memory: 10 digits, 69%
    Reaction Time: 205 ms
    Verbal Memory: 46 points!
    Visual Memory: level 7,
    score 6810!

    MemTrax: 98%, mean reaction time 0.768 seconds!

    Psychology Today: 90
    -though I honestly answered these subjective questions both times, the increased score here is likely reflective of an increased confidence in my memory.

    Iqtest: 110
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    Human Benchmark-
    Number Memory-You scored 7. You're currently in the top 18 percentile for this test!
    Reaction Time-You scored 309.0. You're currently in the top 32 percentile for this test!
    Verbal Memory-You're currently in the top 17 percentile for this test!
    Visual Memory-You scored 5631. You're currently in the top 21 percentile for this test!

    Metrax- Mean Reaction Time: 0.979 seconds

    Psychology Today- I got 50

    IQ Test- 100 IQ(this was so hard in the middle)

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    Human Benchmark-
    Number Memory- You scored 7. You're currently in the top 18 percentile for this test!
    Visual Memory- You scored 17723. You're currently in the top 75 percentile for this test!
    Reaction Time- You scored 300.0. You're currently in the top 36 percentile for this test!
    Verbal Memory- You scored 32. You're currently in the top 42 percentile for this test!

    Metrax- Mean Reaction Time:0.925 seconds 86% correct

    Psychology Today- 79

    IQ Test- 106

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    Pre "Treatment" Test Results:

    1. Human Benchmark Tests
    a. Number Memory: Level 9 (50%)
    b. Reaction Time: Avg - 358 ms (19%)
    c. Verbal Memory: 44 points (70%)
    d. Visual Memory: Level 8, 8799 points (41%)
    2. Mem Trax Test: 92% correct - 0.856 mean reaction time
    3. Psychology Today Memory Test: 73
    4. General IQ Test: 108 -> finished with approximately 9 minutes left (out of 40).

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    After two weeks on mystery BLR noot at 1 cap bid:
    1. Human Benchmark Tests:
    a. Number Memory: Level 10 (69%); +1 Level
    b. Reaction Time: Avg of 337 ms (24%); Improvement of 21 ms
    c. Verbal Memory: 129 points (98%); improvement of 85 points....
    d. Visual Memory: Level 10, Score of 12,873 (59%); +2 levels, 4074 points
    2. Memtrax: 96% correct, 0.668 second rxn time; +4% and 0.188 seconds
    3. Psychology Today Subjective Memory Questionnaire: Score of 79, 6 point improvement
    4. General IQ Test: 126; +18 points -> I forgot to look at how much time was left when I completed it. But, I would guess it was in the 10-15 minute range.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Bacopa has never given me any GI issues. I used to use it for its improvement in memory. I had to stop using it because it would kill my motivation. It's a known side effect of bacopa, but it is not very common. Bacopa seems to work well with most people.
    The murdered motivation is from dopamine dropping as acetylcholine rises. A strong dose of Tyrosol, Rhodiola, centella and caffeine counters that well .
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im def interested to see what you think compared.
    The BF7 extracts currently available dont seem to be great. I dont recommend the SW brand.
    Let us know what you think.
    Hmm, if that's the same brand I'm thinking of, which it probably is, that's pretty disappointing, as they typically have pretty high quality stuff. I was thinking of starting with 400mg/day BF-7, as studies seem to use 200-400mg, although it seems possible that you may have a bit more than that in Nootrol.
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  25. ill give this a go
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