[Kaprice]

Keep going back and forth between buying the 4 bottles I need to take me through my board exam, or to try it out and order more if needed.....decisions decisions

It does appear the supply will be available for a while, so you should be safe with getting 1 or 2 bottles to test how well it works for you. If you go a couple of weeks and feel a difference, you can stock up then, rather than waiting until your supply is gone (and risking it being out of stock).

[Hockeyaus33]

the best way to ommit placebo is to genuinely have zero expectations

[Kaprice]

the best way to ommit placebo is to genuinely have zero expectations

Nice in theory. Impossible in practice after having read this thread!

[muscleupcrohn]

the best way to ommit placebo is to genuinely have zero expectations

Haha, good luck with that, especially if you have any knowledge of the ingredients, other people's feedback, or even if you just looked at the bottle; chances are you bought it for some reason, for some purpose. Perhaps the best way to eliminate the placebo effect would be to have someone give you the supplement or placebo, and not tell you when you took what until after you used them both for a while.

[Kaprice]

My plan for eliminating placebo effect is to simply keep taking it. At some point, if it's not really working, the placebo effect will wear off over several days. But, if it is working, the effects should not only continue but magnify a bit.

[Hockeyaus33]

If we assume that every piece of feedback could have been placebo from high expectations, then you can disregard them as invalid in your head (until proven otherwise) and go your own way with no expectations. You are putting way too much emphasis on other people's experiences of a supplement. Just take the supplement and forget about it. If throughout the day something really stands out then you know what it's probably from.

I'm not saying this is some scientific way of destroying placebo lol. I'm saying it's the closest thing you're going to get when trying supplements casually. It's just a mindset you have to get into

[muscleupcrohn]

My plan for eliminating placebo effect is to simply keep taking it. At some point, if it's not really working, the placebo effect will wear off over several days. But, if it is working, the effects should not only continue but magnify a bit.

Whatever works, and we don't have any real reason or obligation to completely eliminate the placebo effect, but sometimes it can last a while, like some people who swore by CEE.

[SFreed]

My plan for eliminating placebo effect is to simply keep taking it. At some point, if it's not really working, the placebo effect will wear off over several days. But, if it is working, the effects should not only continue but magnify a bit.

Did you take any of the tests mentioned above?

[Kaprice]

No, I didn't. They didn't sound very fun!

Bottom line is if helps me be more productive when I work, I'll consider it a success. If it doesn't, it's a failure. Regardless of how it might affect those tests.

For me, it's all about whether it improves my ability to make money. That means less brain fog, better focus, more motivation, better ability to come up with solutions to challenges I face.

If those test scores improved but my daily productivity doesn't, it won't have any value to me.

[Kaprice]

So far today, I've not taken any stims or fat burners. It's mid afternoon and I'm still feeling productive, focused, and motivated. That's new. And impressive. And I've only had the one cap, so far. I'll probably take my second dose soon, though.

[yelis300]

Today is day 3 for me. I felt a little more motivation than usual, and just felt better overall, happier, content.

[brundel]

I've been out of the loop for a bit. Good fccking job bro!

I'm sure its been asked but is it for sale yet?
@brundel

Yes, For sale at NV and will be avail through our new website in a couple of days.

[brundel]

Keep going back and forth between buying the 4 bottles I need to take me through my board exam, or to try it out and order more if needed.....decisions decisions

All of the testers were pretty eager to get their hands on more.

[brundel]

Took my first cap, this morning.

It's really hard to really judge effectiveness of something like this. Because it deals with focus and motivation and because the effects are by nature subtle, placebo can have a major impact.

But I really do feel there's a difference in my motivation and focus and desire to be productive.

Over the past few months, my go-to supp for focus and energy boost has been Nicorette gum. I got turned on to it as an aid to fat loss (per Kiefer of Carb Backloading fame). But, I found it to also be very effective when I need to counter brain fog.

I'm hoping Nootrol will preclude the need for Nicorette, since I think a break from that will be good for me.

Wait till a couple of weeks have passed. Our trial indicated that effects increased ALOT from day 1 to day 30. One tester had a 27 point IQ increase at week 4 but week 2 was 17. So....this is something that will get MUCH better with time.
Testers also mentioned better word recall, better social interaction and just overall better brain function. Im interested to know what you think in 2-3 weeks.

[SFreed]

Loving having this back! Jumped right into 3 caps per day. Enjoying that old familiar feeling from the original testing

[brundel]

Haha, good luck with that, especially if you have any knowledge of the ingredients, other people's feedback, or even if you just looked at the bottle; chances are you bought it for some reason, for some purpose. Perhaps the best way to eliminate the placebo effect would be to have someone give you the supplement or placebo, and not tell you when you took what until after you used them both for a while.

The good news is ALL of our products are tested initially by people who dont know what they are taking.
I gave it to 7 testers who didnt know what they took or what to expect at all. Super interesting results. Many of the testers mentioned improved training and while this can be placebo the tyrosol and salidroside and caffeine can all directly effect performance and centella may as well.
After a week or so I started to get reports from testers mentioning they felt better overall. Clearer. More energy. One said he felt like he needed less sleep and was performing better at work. They didnt know they took a nootropic.
Once I told them at week 2 they reported other effects they didnt realize were related.

Plus.....all of the ingredient have really solid evidence they work. Lots of great research into all of them. Each one is a great nootropic but combined its a real powerhouse. My favorite is your not all spun out on stims. I HATE the over stimmed feeling and I hate even more the adrenal fatigue feeling you get after a couple weeks of high doses of caffeine or any other stim.

[brundel]

So far today, I've not taken any stims or fat burners. It's mid afternoon and I'm still feeling productive, focused, and motivated. That's new. And impressive. And I've only had the one cap, so far. I'll probably take my second dose soon, though.

Its just the beginning.
Really interesting that your not taking your stimulants and you feel ok. Or better than normal.
The dopamine increase will reduce the need for much chemical stimulation and will increased performance at work for sure.

[Br1ck_Sh1thouse]

Loving having this back! Jumped right into 3 caps per day. Enjoying that old familiar feeling from the original testing

I thought it only 2 caps a day?

[Kaprice]

Loving having this back! Jumped right into 3 caps per day. Enjoying that old familiar feeling from the original testing

Is that because the recommended 2 caps a day doesn't work for you? Did you build up a tolerance?

[muscleupcrohn]

The good news is ALL of our products are tested initially by people who dont know what they are taking.
I gave it to 7 testers who didnt know what they took or what to expect at all. Super interesting results. Many of the testers mentioned improved training and while this can be placebo the tyrosol and salidroside and caffeine can all directly effect performance and centella may as well.
After a week or so I started to get reports from testers mentioning they felt better overall. Clearer. More energy. One said he felt like he needed less sleep and was performing better at work. They didnt know they took a nootropic.
Once I told them at week 2 they reported other effects they didnt realize were related.

Plus.....all of the ingredient have really solid evidence they work. Lots of great research into all of them. Each one is a great nootropic but combined its a real powerhouse. My favorite is your not all spun out on stims. I HATE the over stimmed feeling and I hate even more the adrenal fatigue feeling you get after a couple weeks of high doses of caffeine or any other stim.

Oh, don't get me wrong, my post was more directed at the inherent existence of the placebo effect at at least some small level any time you're using a supplement in a non-blinded fashion. Even though testers didn't know the ingredients, just knowing it's a nootropic could lend to some placebo effects, but that's inherent with any supplement. I do agree that the ingredients are supported by research, so the placebo-controlling and blinding have already been done in a lot more controlled environments than we could do here, so that's great as well.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the testers know that they were taking a nootropic supplement?
Nootropic testing- testers needed.

[Kaprice]

Day 2. It's noon.

I woke up fairly early (for me). Took my cap. Felt good, focused, and motivated all morning. Got a lot of good stuff done. Again, I chose to take no stim or fat burner. Not feeling tired at all.

[brundel]

Oh, don't get me wrong, my post was more directed at the inherent existence of the placebo effect at at least some small level any time you're using a supplement in a non-blinded fashion. Even though testers didn't know the ingredients, just knowing it's a nootropic could lend to some placebo effects, but that's inherent with any supplement. I do agree that the ingredients are supported by research, so the placebo-controlling and blinding have already been done in a lot more controlled environments than we could do here, so that's great as well.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the testers know that they were taking a nootropic supplement?
Nootropic testing- testers needed.

The testers on anabolic minds did yes but of course this was not the only testing we ran. This was just a public trial we ran after a year of internal testing.
We tested more than a few different ingredients and blends before we landed on the final mix.
With regards to the final mix-
I gave it to people who didnt know what they were taking, people who did, people who didnt know the ingredients and those who did.
We also tested it directly against a placebo with everyone knowing it was a noot but not knowing what it was or who got the real product.
We had them run the same tests the AM trial guys ran. There were huge differences in the improvement across the board. The difference between the placebo group and the active subject group was pretty extreme. Enough that I decided to run the public trial to show people.

Trust me on this one....I would NEVER have run a public trial if I didnt already know how it was gonna turn out. Because if it failed miserably nobody would want the product.


Also on a side note......We are getting ready to run a public trial on a new ingredient. We will be needing some testers. This one is going to be a bit different as we will need everyone to personally sign a non disclosure, non compete etc.
Wait till you guys see what THIS stuff is.
Ill be putting up a thread about this in a couple of days once the test batch is here.
For you guys reading think it over. Ill need full commitment. for 30 days.

[Kaprice]

For you guys reading think it over. Ill need full commitment. for 30 days.

Count me in!

[yelis300]

What type of product is it going to be? Anabolic?

[JDybya]

In. No question.