LETRONE FAQ!!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by conkertheking View Post
    Am I correct in thinking that the wording of the most recent prohormone ban (2014) essentially makes substances like these, extracts of plants used in traditional cultural practises such as Chinese medicine, almost impossible to ban or make script-only in the United States? So therefore, Letrone should be available for the foreseeable future?
    ive been over that damn thing about a thousand times and to me the wording makes it so they could practically ban whey protein if they wanted to it stipulates in some of the wording if I recall that any damn thing labeled as muscle enhancing/building etc.. could be banned, they left a lot of doors open with this one just to make sure even if they didn't spell some of the words right or whatever that they could still bitch about it and p[ossibly take it.. now of course me saying them banning whey protein is more of a hypothetical joke but im just saying the way they spelled it out kind of covers anything and everything they might see as better then less then average...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Jackedjack View Post
    That's why if a company is smart, they will make a foreign subsidiary I.e. England or Canada, and make all products that are bound to be banned from there and sell to the U.S. Until they are banned. But you are right in saying that natty anabolics are the way to go, can't wait to see the new products from BLR.
    Agree'd!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Ive been working hard to make sure my products will have some sustaining power. It really sucked losing Formeron. I dont want to spend all the time developing a product only to have it banned. Letrone will NOT be banned. Its 100% derived from a plant. Real natural anabolics are the way to go.
    I see other companies making all these andro products and somehow thinking this is a wise avenue to travel down but...the heat is on.
    Now the DEA comes for you not the FDA. And the FDA is lazy. The DEA is NOT. They will kick the door in and shoot you in the face if you move.
    I dont think its a great climate to push your luck with regards to making shady products but to each their own. Letrone and all of our future products will have legs.
    so true, DEA is as bad as the cops when they have to get off their fat half steroid pounding asses they get all gung-ho adrenaline rushing and trigger happy and if you as much as sneeze you catch a bullet from one of them if you don't catch one just cause one of them happened to feel like it or tripping over his bootlace that he never learned how to tie... of course I got respect for any individual with integrity and respect for others no matter what they do or wear but ive ran into so many of these people through out the years and not coming for me either and me being completely respectful still seeing attitudes and bull****.

    either way brundel did some great work here and this is something I talked about last year and specially when the ban was coming, that ive already come across some natural things that have some awesome properties and hats just me, I can just imagine someone that really has the time and money to invest in the right extracts could come up with ingredients i'm sure pretty close to as effective as any man made synthetic substance, its just all in the time money and knowledge, not only is money power but knowledge is an even greater power. looking forward to what is yet to come.

  4. ^ I'm not in the US, but for me the whole war on drugs and DEA setup lost all credibility the day a bunch of DEA people wrote some lobby paper opposing weed legalisation because it would put them out of a job. Clearest sign yet that like a lot of things, that kind of law is as much about economic protectionism as it is about anything else.

    In Ireland they're trying to bring in a minimum unit price for alcoholic drinks, which their public explanation for is protecting peoples' health. Reading between the lines, it's abundantly clear that the real motive is to allow the pubs to continue charging outrageous prices to rip off tourists, while preventing shops and off-sales from competing.

    Sad, but there you have it... I for one very much doubt that medical or ethical considerations are the true purpose behind things like the prohormone ban. Much more likely to be protecting some vested interest, pharmaceutical or medical community perhaps now that people have to visit doctors to get prescriptions for ridiculously expensive pharmaceuticals... Until Black Lion comes along and deflates their balloon of course

  5. I'm coming off a long cycle. I will be running clomid through out my pct. my question is for those who have dosed it. what affects did a letro,viron stack have on libido,and has anyone had success in retaining or even adding gains during their PCT.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dsseven View Post
    I'm coming off a long cycle. I will be running clomid through out my pct. my question is for those who have dosed it. what affects did a letro,viron stack have on libido,and has anyone had success in retaining or even adding gains during their PCT.
    i ran Letrone with Viron & Rebirth during pct and only lost 3lbs during PCT.
    Im sure if i wouldve kept my calories higher, i woulnt have lost anything.
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  7. Thank you

  8. Quote Originally Posted by dsseven View Post
    I'm coming off a long cycle. I will be running clomid through out my pct. my question is for those who have dosed it. what affects did a letro,viron stack have on libido,and has anyone had success in retaining or even adding gains during their PCT.
    I'll let you know how that stack worked for me in exactly 31 days
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  9. I'm about to try it as well,so we can compare notes.

  10. We have had a bunch of guys run the Letrone, Viron, Rebirth PCT. All have had stellar results. Even Vujade who was ultra suppressed was able to get his Post PCT test level above his pre cycle numbers if I recall correctly.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    We have had a bunch of guys run the Letrone, Viron, Rebirth PCT. All have had stellar results.
    Even Vujade who was ultra suppressed was able to get his Post PCT test level above his pre cycle numbers if I recall correctly.
    That correct..!

    I was about 420 before my cycle. Cycle was 18 weeks long. My total test was only 62 when i came off cycle
    and it was 445 when i finished PCT with Viron, Rebirth & Letrone..!
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  12. While 445 doesnt look super impressive it is when considering he was lower than that before the cycle started.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    While 445 doesnt look super impressive it is when considering he was lower than that before the cycle started.
    It does not look impressive, but consider 445 is higher then i started, plus Im 46, was diagnosed with Low T @ 36.
    i ran an 18 week cycle (6 weeks of Ostarine plus 12 weeks of Trestolone, Stano, EpiAndro, Furazadrol & 11 Oxo)

    Considering my Total T was only 62 when starting PCT & 445 when finishing PCT...

    Thats a 717% raise in Test..!!! A lot more impressive now when all things are considered
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  14. Exactly. Its SUPER impressive all things considered. If anyone was on the fence about Rebirth they should be on our side after seeing your labs.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by conkertheking View Post
    ^ I'm not in the US, but for me the whole war on drugs and DEA setup lost all credibility the day a bunch of DEA people wrote some lobby paper opposing weed legalisation because it would put them out of a job. Clearest sign yet that like a lot of things, that kind of law is as much about economic protectionism as it is about anything else.

    In Ireland they're trying to bring in a minimum unit price for alcoholic drinks, which their public explanation for is protecting peoples' health. Reading between the lines, it's abundantly clear that the real motive is to allow the pubs to continue charging outrageous prices to rip off tourists, while preventing shops and off-sales from competing.

    Sad, but there you have it... I for one very much doubt that medical or ethical considerations are the true purpose behind things like the prohormone ban. Much more likely to be protecting some vested interest, pharmaceutical or medical community perhaps now that people have to visit doctors to get prescriptions for ridiculously expensive pharmaceuticals... Until Black Lion comes along and deflates their balloon of course
    I agree man, theres always some damn hidden agenda involved in this b.s. when you read the fine print that nobody really bothers too its got so many off the wall stipulations.. I still want to go visit the motherland Ireland, been dying to for a while! im thinking it stil isn't anywhere as crazy as the us.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by vujade View Post
    That correct..!

    I was about 420 before my cycle. Cycle was 18 weeks long. My total test was only 62 when i came off cycle
    and it was 445 when i finished PCT with Viron, Rebirth & Letrone..!
    That's all? No clomid or nolvadex???

  17. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    That's all? No clomid or nolvadex???
    Nope..!

    I ran it as part of a log when I was not a rep.
    I had Toremefene on hand, but wanted to
    Give Rebirth a fair chance. I figured if it
    Failed, I could always run another PCT.
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  18. LETRONE FAQ!!!


    What's rebirth?

    Edit. The serm. Could stack with letrone for natty cycle or overkill? I have history of Low T / above average e2 and had a clomid restart two years ago. My total t hovers in the low 500 and e2 30-40 I'm 27 soon...

  19. Rebirth is Black Lion Research's SERM.
    We used high doses of ellagic acid cyclodextrin complex with high doses of E cottonii. The cyclo complex really gives the Ellagic a punch.
    In testing this stuff performed far above what I had expected. I knew SERMS were going to slowly dissipate sales wise as PH/DS sales dropped but the product was so good I had to release it.

    Best OTC PCT available imho=
    REBIRTH
    VIRON
    LETRONE
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Rebirth is Black Lion Research's SERM.
    We used high doses of ellagic acid cyclodextrin complex with high doses of E cottonii. The cyclo complex really gives the Ellagic a punch.
    In testing this stuff performed far above what I had expected. I knew SERMS were going to slowly dissipate sales wise as PH/DS sales dropped but the product was so good I had to release it.

    Best OTC PCT available imho=
    REBIRTH
    VIRON
    LETRONE
    Thank you see above edited post

  21. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    What's rebirth?

    Edit. The serm. Could stack with letrone for natty cycle or overkill? I have history of Low T / above average e2 and had a clomid restart two years ago. My total t hovers in the low 500 and e2 30-40 I'm 27 soon...
    Rebirth is our natural OTC SERM product.
    http://www.blacklionresearch.com/viron-1/
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by vujade View Post
    Nope..!

    I ran it as part of a log when I was not a rep.
    I had Toremefene on hand, but wanted to
    Give Rebirth a fair chance. I figured if it
    Failed, I could always run another PCT.
    dude that is awesome.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    What's rebirth?

    Edit. The serm. Could stack with letrone for natty cycle or overkill? I have history of Low T / above average e2 and had a clomid restart two years ago. My total t hovers in the low 500 and e2 30-40 I'm 27 soon...
    YES!!
    ESPECIALLY if you have hypogonadism caused by elevated estro levels.

    The drop in estro will crank up your natty test levels. For sure bro. Rebirth- Letrone combo will be super good for you.
    Youll feel better
    get stronger
    Build muscle.
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  24. That's what I'm starting tomorrow! Sans the Letrone. Will use Formeron until I get my Letrone. Can't wait
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  25. LETRONE FAQ!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    YES!!
    ESPECIALLY if you have hypogonadism caused by elevated estro levels.

    The drop in estro will crank up your natty test levels. For sure bro. Rebirth- Letrone combo will be super good for you.
    Youll feel better
    get stronger
    Build muscle.
    Ahhh well that's what's up! Finishing up this cut in August.. Already have letrone on the way and will grab some rebirth when I do my 4th of July shopping I get blood work done every 2 to 3 months so I will post I am getting sometime this week right now for a new baseline. Given my situation, would you suggest cycling 8-12 weeks on/4 off , or just sticking with it long-term?

  26. Wow, looks like a lot of people gonna be running the BLR recovery program lol, this is gonna be fun! I will be doing something very soon as well, closing out a 18-20 weeks cycle 3 heavy PH bridges from quad stack to three stack to 2 stack to 2 AAS to 4 aas and now 3 aas finishing my last dose tomorrow, giving about 2-3 days to clear out since their all prop esthers and its on! really haven't noticed any real testicular atrophy but I gotta be shut down pretty well after a nice long cycle like this, and all ph cycles were dosed nice and high, just checkout my log and find out, ill be logging the PCT in it as well.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...tri-fecta.html

  27. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ahhh well that's what's up! Finishing up this cut in August.. Already have letrone on the way and will grab some rebirth when I do my 4th of July shopping I get blood work done every 2 to 3 months so I will post I am getting sometime this week right now for a new baseline. Given my situation, would you suggest cycling 8-12 weeks on/4 off , or just sticking with it long-term?
    I think run 8 weeks and get labs. See how things go. Once your in a good place reduce dose and cruise. It should be able to keep you in the proper numbers long term.
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  28. LETRONE FAQ!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    I think run 8 weeks and get labs. See how things go. Once your in a good place reduce dose and cruise. It should be able to keep you in the proper numbers long term.
    Can u suggest the dosing for 8 weeks then the cruise dose? Thanks

    I plan on running letrone alone for 8 weeks at one cap a day to assess its AI capabilities and body composition effects. Then I'll take 4 weeks off to see if it's suicidal (hopefully it is lol)

    Then I'd look to do letrone+rebirth at 1 cap each and assess if moving up to two is needed/worth a try

  29. Quote Originally Posted by KilaCali View Post
    I agree man, theres always some damn hidden agenda involved in this b.s. when you read the fine print that nobody really bothers too its got so many off the wall stipulations.. I still want to go visit the motherland Ireland, been dying to for a while! im thinking it stil isn't anywhere as crazy as the us.
    Depends what you mean by "crazy"? >_>

  30. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Can u suggest the dosing for 8 weeks then the cruise dose? Thanks

    I plan on running letrone alone for 8 weeks at one cap a day to assess its AI capabilities and body composition effects. Then I'll take 4 weeks off to see if it's suicidal (hopefully it is lol)

    Then I'd look to do letrone+rebirth at 1 cap each and assess if moving up to two is needed/worth a try
    I'm going to do Letrone & Rebirth for one month as soon as I get both, with pre and post bloods to compare. Will be getting bloods done hopefully this Friday, after using TD Formestane (Formeron and TransFORM) since February, so my plan is to hop straight from one to the other. Formestane has nicely reduced my E2, halving it to near the bottom end of the "normal" range as opposed to the upper-mid range, but has had a negligible effect on LH and FSH - whether this is because of the conversion to 4-HT messing with the hpta or because I have some sort of GnRH deficiency / insensitivity remains to be seen. So should be interesting to see what kind of bloods I have after a month of Rebirth and Letrone, since Letrone shouldn't have the potential suppression from Formestane's prohormone action.

    Will post updates here and do a log as soon as I get both products and have my bloods ready for reference!
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