ACNEDREN

[brundel]

Is the first acne supplement that works.

Research studies have shown that the active ingredients in ACNEDREN safely and effectively reduce or eliminate acne.

Most acne treatments are very harsh and irritating to the skin. Most commonly bleaches are used which dry the skin and can make things ever worse. Other options such as medications have extremely bad side effects that make their use worse than the acne itself. The solution is ACNEDREN. This supplement is capable of defeating even the worst cases of acne. If you want clear skin and tight pores this is the supplement for you.
Acne starts from the inside not the outside. Companies lie to you and tell you that washing your face with bleach and taking antibiotics is the answer. They are incorrect and you continue to suffer in spite of the fact that you have purchased and used a ton of worthless products. Acnedren works by reducing the amount of oil produced which in turn reduces clogged and infected pores. This is a real solution that works. No washes, no beaches, no harsh medication. Allow 2 weeks for pre-existing acne to clear.

[oufinny]

Serious question, with how effective Vitamin A has been shown to be as an acne treatment, how come you didn't include say 10-15Kiu per pill? I have had success with Acnedren as we have discussed in the past I just wondered if that was considered.

[ITW]

I'd like to hear some personal experiences with this stuff

[brundel]

Serious question, with how effective Vitamin A has been shown to be as an acne treatment, how come you didn't include say 10-15Kiu per pill? I have had success with Acnedren as we have discussed in the past I just wondered if that was considered.

We certainly could include it considering the price of vitA but IM not sure its a great idea.
Isotrentinoin is good at curing acne but its brutal on your body and ROCHE has been sued dozens or more times from people with serious medical ailments stemming from its use.
Vit A by itself is relatively weak and isnt that good at curing acne unless you SUPER DOSE it at highly unhealthy doses.

Using vit A for acne requires a super dosing regimen. 200000-300000 iu daily not 10-15000.
It doesnt make sense to use it.

"Excessive intake of vitamin A may cause acute or chronic toxicity. "


"Chronic toxicity in older children and adults usually develops after doses of > 33,000 µg (100,000 IU)/day have been taken for months. In infants who are given 6,000 to 20,000 µg (20,000 to 60,000 IU)/day of water-miscible vitamin A, evidence of toxicity may develop within a few weeks. Birth defects have been reported in the children of women receiving 13-cis-retinoic acid (isotretinoin) for skin conditions during pregnancy (see Drugs in Pregnancy in Ch. 249).

Massive doses (50,000 to 120,000 µg or 150,000 to 350,000 IU) of vitamin A or its metabolites are given daily to persons with globular acne. Although the treatment is effective, it puts the patient at risk for vitamin A toxicity.

Although carotene is metabolized in the body to vitamin A at a slow rate, excessive ingestion of carotene does not cause vitamin A toxicity but produces carotenemia (carotene blood levels > 250 µg/dL [> 4.65 µmol/L]). This condition is usually asymptomatic but may lead to carotenosis, in which the skin (but not the sclera) becomes deep yellow, especially on the palms and soles. Carotenosis may also occur in diabetes mellitus, myxedema, and anorexia nervosa, possibly from a further reduction in the rate of conversion of carotene to vitamin A."


"Researchers are now examining a potential new risk factor for osteoporosis: an excess intake of vitamin A.

"Animal, human, and laboratory research suggest an association between greater vitamin A intake and weaker bones (33, 34). "

"What is the health risk of too much vitamin A?
Hypervitaminosis A refers to high storage levels of vitamin A in the body that can lead to toxic symptoms. There are three major adverse effects of hypervitaminosis A:

birth defects,
liver abnormalities,
reduced bone mineral density that may result in osteoporosis (1)
"

"Tolerable intake, adult, 3000 ug or 10,000 IU

[brundel]

I'd like to hear some personal experiences with this stuff

I have had terrible acne for decades.
Now I dont. Only thing that changed is acnedren.
I used it for a couple years before we made it into a supplement.
There are some great pictures up on another site of users before and after.
Ill see if I can dig em up.

[brundel]

Here is a before and after.
He was ON cycle the whole time which should be evident by the fact that hes ALOT bigger in pic 2.
This was a 3 week progression.
Understand of course that acne should be getting worse on cycle but it clearly gets better.
90% clearing in 3 weeks.

[oufinny]

We certainly could include it considering the price of vitA but IM not sure its a great idea.
Isotrentinoin is good at curing acne but its brutal on your body and ROCHE has been sued dozens or more times from people with serious medical ailments stemming from its use.
Vit A by itself is relatively weak and isnt that good at curing acne unless you SUPER DOSE it at highly unhealthy doses.

Using vit A for acne requires a super dosing regimen. 200000-300000 iu daily not 10-15000.
It doesnt make sense to use it.

"Excessive intake of vitamin A may cause acute or chronic toxicity. "


"Chronic toxicity in older children and adults usually develops after doses of > 33,000 µg (100,000 IU)/day have been taken for months. In infants who are given 6,000 to 20,000 µg (20,000 to 60,000 IU)/day of water-miscible vitamin A, evidence of toxicity may develop within a few weeks. Birth defects have been reported in the children of women receiving 13-cis-retinoic acid (isotretinoin) for skin conditions during pregnancy (see Drugs in Pregnancy in Ch. 249).

Massive doses (50,000 to 120,000 µg or 150,000 to 350,000 IU) of vitamin A or its metabolites are given daily to persons with globular acne. Although the treatment is effective, it puts the patient at risk for vitamin A toxicity.

Although carotene is metabolized in the body to vitamin A at a slow rate, excessive ingestion of carotene does not cause vitamin A toxicity but produces carotenemia (carotene blood levels > 250 µg/dL [> 4.65 µmol/L]). This condition is usually asymptomatic but may lead to carotenosis, in which the skin (but not the sclera) becomes deep yellow, especially on the palms and soles. Carotenosis may also occur in diabetes mellitus, myxedema, and anorexia nervosa, possibly from a further reduction in the rate of conversion of carotene to vitamin A."


"Researchers are now examining a potential new risk factor for osteoporosis: an excess intake of vitamin A.

"Animal, human, and laboratory research suggest an association between greater vitamin A intake and weaker bones (33, 34). "

"What is the health risk of too much vitamin A?
Hypervitaminosis A refers to high storage levels of vitamin A in the body that can lead to toxic symptoms. There are three major adverse effects of hypervitaminosis A:

birth defects,
liver abnormalities,
reduced bone mineral density that may result in osteoporosis (1)
"

"Tolerable intake, adult, 3000 ug or 10,000 IU

This directly contradicts what I recently heard from a doctor; the recommended dose was 100Kiu per day for 30 days with little to no risk associated with it. Obviously that amount was mean for those concerned with toxicity; standard OTC is sold in 25Kiu caps now.

[brundel]

25 k is not 200-300k which if you read into it is what it takes to match the effect and of course side effects of accutane.

If 15k iu of Vit A got rid of acne nobody would have acne.

If you can provide even 1 valid research study with the conclusion that even 30iu of vit a even partially cleared acne I would be willing to investigate it as an option.
IM all about making my products better and vit A is like almost free cost wise.

For now, however, there are viable studies proving pantothenic acid and lcarn clear acne so Ill stick to scientifically proven until I see a better option.

In addition, to be fair, just because a guy is a dr doesnt make him right.
I personally know drs who think
-xanax and vicodin is a good option for addicts
-300nd/dl is a normal testosterone level
-Testosterone causes prostate cancer
etc.

[brundel]

Also, if you read on forums, people actually using Vit a for acne....not only is it 200-300k daily iu but its for no less than 4 months which is highly toxic to the system.

[oufinny]

25 k is not 200-300k which if you read into it is what it takes to match the effect and of course side effects of accutane.

If 15k iu of Vit A got rid of acne nobody would have acne.

If you can provide even 1 valid research study with the conclusion that even 30iu of vit a even partially cleared acne I would be willing to investigate it as an option.
IM all about making my products better and vit A is like almost free cost wise.

For now, however, there are viable studies proving pantothenic acid and lcarn clear acne so Ill stick to scientifically proven until I see a better option.

In addition, to be fair, just because a guy is a dr doesnt make him right.
I personally know drs who think
-xanax and vicodin is a good option for addicts
-300nd/dl is a normal testosterone level
-Testosterone causes prostate cancer
etc.

It was just a question, the Dr. is not the average idiot Dr. and wow, I will just keep my thoughts to myself. Also, I need 4-5 per day to control the acne I have let alone get rid of it and I am cruising so keep that in mind, all the studies in the world don't equate to results for everyone.

[brundel]

It was just a question, the Dr. is not the average idiot Dr. and wow, I will just keep my thoughts to myself. Also, I need 4-5 per day to control the acne I have let alone get rid of it and I am cruising so keep that in mind, all the studies in the world don't equate to results for everyone.

I dont think I was harsh was I?
I get by on 3 caps daily. It did take about 2 months for everything to clear completely but now I maybe get 1-2 small pimples on my back a week.
Before I was covered, neck, shoulders, arms, face, head, back, sometimes even legs. THis was a lifelong problem and Im 38.
VAST improvement.
No toxicity.
On cycle I need 6 daily.

Studies dont always pan out in the real world. In this instance, however, it seems to be working well for most.
The more caps you take the better your results will be to a point.
My buddy takes em like candy but he doesnt pay for em....it could get pricey. Hes on about 3500mg gear and has 0 acne symptoms.

My point before was this, there is no proof at all to indicate 10-15k iu will do anything at all for someone suffering from acne. 0
So there is no point in me including it in the mix. If someone shows me proof otherwise, Im more than happy to consider it as a potential option.

There is another acne supp out there that has everything but the kitchen sink in it. Most of the ingredients dont have any potential to reduce acne. Its just lack of research and poor planning on the part of the manufacturer.
Its also 60$ a bottle for a placebo.

I dont want my products to have anything in them for no purpose. It costs me as well as the consumer money.
I dont know your dr I was merely stating that just because hes a dr doesnt mean hes right. In this case he is not.
I see 0 evidence to indicate he is correct. This isnt me being mean its me stating the truth. He may be a good dr, hes probably a nice guy.
His statements regarding vit a and acne are incorrect as far as I can see.

No need to keep things to yourself. Dont be offended if I disagree. Its not meant as an attack.

[ITW]

I dont think I was harsh was I?
I get by on 3 caps daily. It did take about 2 months for everything to clear completely but now I maybe get 1-2 small pimples on my back a week.
Before I was covered, neck, shoulders, arms, face, head, back, sometimes even legs. THis was a lifelong problem and Im 38.
VAST improvement.
No toxicity.
On cycle I need 6 daily.

Studies dont always pan out in the real world. In this instance, however, it seems to be working well for most.
The more caps you take the better your results will be to a point.
My buddy takes em like candy but he doesnt pay for em....it could get pricey. Hes on about 3500mg gear and has 0 acne symptoms.

My point before was this, there is no proof at all to indicate 10-15k iu will do anything at all for someone suffering from acne. 0
So there is no point in me including it in the mix. If someone shows me proof otherwise, Im more than happy to consider it as a potential option.

There is another acne supp out there that has everything but the kitchen sink in it. Most of the ingredients dont have any potential to reduce acne. Its just lack of research and poor planning on the part of the manufacturer.
Its also 60$ a bottle for a placebo.

I dont want my products to have anything in them for no purpose. It costs me as well as the consumer money.
I dont know your dr I was merely stating that just because hes a dr doesnt mean hes right. In this case he is not.
I see 0 evidence to indicate he is correct. This isnt me being mean its me stating the truth. He may be a good dr, hes probably a nice guy.
His statements regarding vit a and acne are incorrect as far as I can see.

No need to keep things to yourself. Dont be offended if I disagree. Its not meant as an attack.

You weren't harsh

[oufinny]

I dont think I was harsh was I?
I get by on 3 caps daily. It did take about 2 months for everything to clear completely but now I maybe get 1-2 small pimples on my back a week.
Before I was covered, neck, shoulders, arms, face, head, back, sometimes even legs. THis was a lifelong problem and Im 38.
VAST improvement.
No toxicity.
On cycle I need 6 daily.

Studies dont always pan out in the real world. In this instance, however, it seems to be working well for most.
The more caps you take the better your results will be to a point.
My buddy takes em like candy but he doesnt pay for em....it could get pricey. Hes on about 3500mg gear and has 0 acne symptoms.

My point before was this, there is no proof at all to indicate 10-15k iu will do anything at all for someone suffering from acne. 0
So there is no point in me including it in the mix. If someone shows me proof otherwise, Im more than happy to consider it as a potential option.

There is another acne supp out there that has everything but the kitchen sink in it. Most of the ingredients dont have any potential to reduce acne. Its just lack of research and poor planning on the part of the manufacturer.
Its also 60$ a bottle for a placebo.

I dont want my products to have anything in them for no purpose. It costs me as well as the consumer money.
I dont know your dr I was merely stating that just because hes a dr doesnt mean hes right. In this case he is not.
I see 0 evidence to indicate he is correct. This isnt me being mean its me stating the truth. He may be a good dr, hes probably a nice guy.
His statements regarding vit a and acne are incorrect as far as I can see.

No need to keep things to yourself. Dont be offended if I disagree. Its not meant as an attack.

I'm not going to explain myself, its your formula, a simple I looked into it and here is why I am not using it would suffice. ITW, thanks for your opinion but this is between Brundel and me. I will keep taking the Vitamin A and if it helps, maybe I will report back to this thread and for you interested, I am taking 1000Kiu per day, bottle has 30 day supply.

[brundel]

This is a great idea.
I do know high doses do work.
Im pretty sure it will take a few months to really solidify.

Keep me posted on how its working. For example if you start noticing great improvements let me know.

If it works well we can run some trials.

[oufinny]

This is a great idea.
I do know high doses do work.
Im pretty sure it will take a few months to really solidify.

Keep me posted on how its working. For example if you start noticing great improvements let me know.

If it works well we can run some trials.

I will, going to play around with dosing it with food and without. In your research did you come across the best time to dose Vitamin A?

[brundel]

I didnt see anything indicating a specific time for dosing.
I did see many people recommending concurrent use of Vit D as for some reason excessive A depletes D. Id have to read more into it to figure out why. For now, with the low dose your taking I think even a low dose D supp will suffice. Vit D is something most of us are deficient in anyways.

I read one report from a guy who started at 100000iu daily and eventually dropped it to 10k and required an increase in dose.

Im interested to see what happens.

[Mikey84]

This is probably a stupid question but can women use this ?

[brundel]

This is probably a stupid question but can women use this ?

Not a stupid question at all.
Acnedren is safe for women and even children. I would suggest keeping it to kids above 12 years old. I have several friends whose teen age kids use it with great results. This product is Non toxic and works for everyone.

[gabys225]

Does this reduce oil production on the face exclusively? If it's systemic it may assist transdermal applications that are followed by a moisturizer. Less oil produced would mean slightly drier skin it'd drink up everything you'd put on it. Obviously, i'm theorizing wildly but it may work