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  1. Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
    I need to take a few things into consideration.
    1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
    2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.

    So..Per dose we probably need...
    250mg min tongkat
    500 nettle
    200 SERM
    10 Boron
    I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
    At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
    Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
    I need to take a few things into consideration.
    1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
    2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.

    So..Per dose we probably need...
    250mg min tongkat
    500 nettle
    200 SERM
    10 Boron
    I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
    At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
    Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
    See but by including the serm, wont that be forcing your customers to choose between either a serm or formeron? Where as if you just made it a free/total test product, you can market it as the perfect match with formeron. I just think formeron with a serm is too much estrogen control and thus making a choice of one or the other as oppose to both. Just my two cents. I know others are in love with serms for some reason.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by brundel
    Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
    I need to take a few things into consideration.
    1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
    2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.

    So..Per dose we probably need...
    250mg min tongkat
    500 nettle
    200 SERM
    10 Boron
    I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
    At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
    Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
    That sounds perfect to me. I might try out some of the tongkats you sent me along with ax trisorbagen since it contains bioperine and let you know what I think.
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  4. So what I noticed after my first dose.It seemed to give me a nice boost in energy but without the stim crassh. It also seemed to make my body hot as my back was all sweaty.Lol but that is what my girlfriend said. I definitely noticed a increase in heart rate and bp. I think I am going to dose it at 250 mgs twice a day.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214
    So what I noticed after my first dose.It seemed to give me a nice boost in energy but without the stim crassh. It also seemed to make my body hot as my back was all sweaty.Lol but that is what my girlfriend said. I definitely noticed a increase in heart rate and bp. I think I am going to dose it at 250 mgs twice a day.
    Wow that's a nice sized dose. I've been noticing revved up energy and increased libido at only 160mg a day. I may try upping it a little like the rest of you. But I can say this. My training sure HASN'T been suffering!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
    I need to take a few things into consideration.
    1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
    2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.

    So..Per dose we probably need...
    250mg min tongkat
    500 nettle
    200 SERM
    10 Boron
    I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
    At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
    Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
    Looks solid to me. Wouldn't Naringin be a good bioavailability enhancer?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Wow that's a nice sized dose. I've been noticing revved up energy and increased libido at only 160mg a day. I may try upping it a little like the rest of you. But I can say this. My training sure HASN'T been suffering!
    I agree with the training part with the nice energy boost you get.I think the 500mgs was a little to much as my bp skyrocketed.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
    I need to take a few things into consideration.
    1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
    2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.

    So..Per dose we probably need...
    250mg min tongkat
    500 nettle
    200 SERM
    10 Boron
    I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
    At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
    Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
    Looks solid. Wouldn't Naringin be a good cost effective bioavailability enhancer to add?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps. I need to take a few things into consideration. 1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle. 2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol. So..Per dose we probably need... 250mg min tongkat 500 nettle 200 SERM 10 Boron I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers. At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing. Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
    Swap out the SERM for icariin or forskolin?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    See but by including the serm, wont that be forcing your customers to choose between either a serm or formeron? Where as if you just made it a free/total test product, you can market it as the perfect match with formeron. I just think formeron with a serm is too much estrogen control and thus making a choice of one or the other as oppose to both. Just my two cents. I know others are in love with serms for some reason.
    A SERM binds to estro receptors and prevents its action. It does not lower estrogen.
    Its use in the product is actually to increase test levels as most SERMS are very good for this. So, its not to control estro although it will help if issues arise.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    Looks solid to me. Wouldn't Naringin be a good bioavailability enhancer?
    It certainly might be. My memory isnt great but I have a list of potentials I have already researched. I believe this is one of them.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Swap out the SERM for icariin or forskolin?
    The forskolin is probably a no go just due to the price.
    Icariin is great but I dont think it increases test levels. Its ONLY a PDE5 inhibitor right? It would be great for vasodialation and erection but probably not contribute to Total or free T levels.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    A SERM binds to estro receptors and prevents its action. It does not lower estrogen.
    Its use in the product is actually to increase test levels as most SERMS are very good for this. So, its not to control estro although it will help if issues arise.
    Not sure if accurate but I remeber a doctor talking on super human radio saying that serms also block androgen receptors and have had as many negative outcomes as positive. From what I have read I think I will stay away from serms. Again just my opinion. I could be wrong

  14. Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    Not sure if accurate but I remeber a doctor talking on super human radio saying that serms also block androgen receptors and have had as many negative outcomes as positive. From what I have read I think I will stay away from serms. Again just my opinion. I could be wrong
    I have never seen any studies to support this.
    In addition the SERM we use has been shown to be beneficial in a number of ways. Never have i heard of a compound that binds to estrogen and androgen receptors. IM not ever sure if this is possible.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    I have never seen any studies to support this. In addition the SERM we use has been shown to be beneficial in a number of ways. Never have i heard of a compound that binds to estrogen and androgen receptors. IM not ever sure if this is possible.
    Can you tell us which SERM? I'd rather have a SERM from you guys then from any of these other company's to be honest lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    I have never seen any studies to support this.
    In addition the SERM we use has been shown to be beneficial in a number of ways. Never have i heard of a compound that binds to estrogen and androgen receptors. IM not ever sure if this is possible.
    And that could be true. The doctor also went on to site how his DHT based product was better for gyno. Therefore his opinion was tied into the sale of his product. Looked up ergo log for some studies pertaining to what he stated but no luck. He stated the same for formastane but I belive he was talking about the injectable form. Much stronger than topical and in larger dose

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Can you tell us which SERM? I'd rather have a SERM from you guys then from any of these other company's to be honest lol
    For now I need to keep it quiet but its not new. Its been used in low doses in other supplements but never in high enough amounts.
    I do know that breast cancer patients do use this as a natural alternative to Tamoxifen and it works about as well.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    And that could be true. The doctor also went on to site how his DHT based product was better for gyno. Therefore his opinion was tied into the sale of his product. Looked up ergo log for some studies pertaining to what he stated but no luck. He stated the same for formastane but I belive he was talking about the injectable form. Much stronger than topical and in larger dose
    Formestane is an AI so it doesnt bind to estro receptors like a SERM. It is mildly anabolic though so its metabolite WILL bind to androgen receptors.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Formestane is an AI so it doesnt bind to estro receptors like a SERM. It is mildly anabolic though so its metabolite WILL bind to androgen receptors.
    Correct, sorry. He stated forestane binds to the androgen receptors. Also you are correct in that formestane is mildly anabolic so it is of some benefit in the receptor. I belive the dr in this interview was the founder of primordial. He was just very against serms

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Swap out the SERM for icariin or forskolin?
    Why? The SERM is only going to make the formula better

  21. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
    I need to take a few things into consideration.
    1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
    2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.

    So..Per dose we probably need...
    250mg min tongkat
    500 nettle
    200 SERM
    10 Boron
    I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
    At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
    Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post

    I just want to make sure the product is worth you giving me your money for.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    IF you have full blown gyno you can try 3-4 pumps a day for 2 weeks and see if it begins to subside.
    If not again I would go to Nolvadex. This drug more than any other has been proven to reverse estro driven gyno.
    I joined this thread because of this. I have gotten bunk letro from research companies and have had gyno symptoms for a month. First it was a little itch now for a week or so it's been painful knots that aren't under the nipple but to the side and up or under. I plan on using pharma letro and formeron to prevent rebound as well as prami. What dosage shoul I use the formeron and when/how long after letro. Letro is going to be 2.5mg a day until I see results I'm looking for or I can't stand the sides then I'll taper.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by SquatsAndOats View Post
    I joined this thread because of this. I have gotten bunk letro from research companies and have had gyno symptoms for a month. First it was a little itch now for a week or so it's been painful knots that aren't under the nipple but to the side and up or under. I plan on using pharma letro and formeron to prevent rebound as well as prami. What dosage shoul I use the formeron and when/how long after letro. Letro is going to be 2.5mg a day until I see results I'm looking for or I can't stand the sides then I'll taper.
    Research chem sites are terrible.
    If you have letro and it really is letro you wont need both letro and Formeron. Youll be miserable.
    Run the letro till symptoms subside or lack of motivation and libido become intolerable. At this point just stop Letro and jump on the Formeron.
    Once letro has dropped estro even 1 pump Formeron will be plenty to keep estro at bay so long as no other offending compounds are in use.
    I dont think you need prami unless you believe its prolactin related.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Research chem sites are terrible.
    If you have letro and it really is letro you wont need both letro and Formeron. Youll be miserable.
    Run the letro till symptoms subside or lack of motivation and libido become intolerable. At this point just stop Letro and jump on the Formeron.
    Once letro has dropped estro even 1 pump Formeron will be plenty to keep estro at bay so long as no other offending compounds are in use.
    I dont think you need prami unless you believe its prolactin related.
    Thanks brundel. I'm confident it will be letro. One of those online pharmacy sites that I have used for other stuff before. I was also hoping to use the formeron to keep sex drive up a bit and strength up wile on letro. I have powerlifting meet in 2 weeks. The prami was just Reseach prami that I got from a friend who said it worked, and it seems to. I was going off what the "gyno killer" thread was. I also seemed to e prolactin sensitive because I got sides from epistane that nolva made worse. This was nolva that I had used 4 months earlier and worked. I wish I could find an actual place for torem. Seems like the best serm

  26. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    I just want to make sure the product is worth you giving me your money for.
    With those ingredients and the possible synergy they will cause, I don't mind forking over cash to even put a very extensive review as well!

  27. Yeah, horizon just IM'd me and said he'd buy mine too. He is that excited!

  28. Took 250 mgs of Tongkat this morning and experienced the nice energy without the heart race & BP increase. I think 250mg is the sweet spot.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    Took 250 mgs of Tongkat this morning and experienced the nice energy without the heart race & BP increase. I think 250mg is the sweet spot.
    Now I'm really considering buying bulk tongkat.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by xant View Post
    Now I'm really considering buying bulk tongkat.
    Why not just wait until Brundel releases new product?
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