- 02-05-2014, 03:39 PM
I could but there are a few things to consider there.
1. We havnt extensively tested the combo. I wont release something we dont know for sure works exceptionally well. Some companies will look at an abstract from an obscure poorly done study using pitri dishes and from that determine the viability of an ingredient. We dont roll that way. Extensive testing preferably publicly is what I want.
2. Price. It will cost more than double to produce. This does two things. 1 costs more on the consumer end and 2 I make less because I wont rape you on price. This is why we are discontinuing our fat burner.
I only make a few dollars a bottle ...literally.
Using high grade ingredients at viable doses is expensive. Upside...you can use our fat burner for a contest prep. I can show you pictures of guys who have. Downside its not profitable because some companies sell caffeine pills with prop blends. The other ingredients are in there but at trace amounts. Or...the products are spiked with amphetamines or analogues. The good guys cant compete price wise.
Ultimately its the consumer who loses out because good products become too expensive to produce in the market pricerange.
3. Timeframe. It took 2 months approx to get half a kg of the serm. I believe the process has improved recently and it may not take as long but you will certsinly wait a lot longer.
Oh also Ive come across a new ingredient I might include in the test booster. If it works...this is gonna be the best product on the market in its class.
- 02-05-2014, 04:00 PM
- 02-05-2014, 04:56 PM
Brundel the more you right the more I like . I can see you speak the truth and from the heart. Looking forward to purchasing more of your products.
02-05-2014, 06:22 PM
Its a non suppressive anabolic substance.
So think about having a product that increases total test to top end normal or just above (this is the most your gonna get realistically from a test booster)
but you get free test WAY above normal range. This means your in a highly favorable anabolic state.
Couple this with a non suppressive anabolic compound...
It could be used for PCT
On cycle to keep test levels up
or solo as I expect it will be considerably anabolic by itself.
Its pretty expensive stuff but at the needed dose it could easily take the place of the SERM and keep the price reasonable.
02-05-2014, 06:23 PM
02-05-2014, 06:31 PM
02-05-2014, 06:37 PM
Funny thing is B that most people will pay more money for better quality and better results. It a no brainer for you. Tell them you are giving the best extracts at the best price and these are the reasons why. Most good extracts work within days in my opinion. I sell more expensive items.
02-05-2014, 06:47 PM
02-06-2014, 12:06 AM
02-06-2014, 11:17 AM
02-06-2014, 11:28 AM
02-06-2014, 02:35 PM
If you have a prescription for Exemestane...have at it. 99% of the population does not so....they then would go to a research chem site.
These sites are the worst.
Just to start they are misleading. It says right on the bottle not to eat but the whole point is to eat it. There is no recourse should something go wrong because well you were not supposed to eat it.
I know personally a few of these guys (sorry guys you knew Id do this)..Its just some guy in his garage with a filthy table, no gloves and probably didnt wash his hands after he crapped last. They dont know the difference between exemestane powder and arsenic.
If they got the wrong thing they dont know because there is no testing or regulation. THey just put it into bottles and label it whatever the Chinese supplier said it was. Ive been dealing with Chinese supplers for a decade. 2 times out of 10 if not more you get **** product or not even the right chem.
We know because we test the raws we use. Research chem sites do not ever.
Once I got 200mcg clenbuterol labeled as nolva. I ate what I thought was 20mg tamoxifen and had to go to the hospital as it was 200mcg clen.
Sometimes the bottles have no active ingredient at all. Sometimes its seriously overdosed. Sometimes its underdosed. Often its the wrong drug altogether.
So you can take:
get a prescription
take your chance with a RC chem
Buy well tested well regulated product from a solid company with a strong reputation that actually cares if something bad happens to you.
02-06-2014, 02:40 PM
OK so for you guys reading this.
I will likely ask in public forums as well.
If I can deliver a product that is thus far unused in the industry _so we have to test it.
It SHOULD -
increase muscle mass
It costs roughly 60% more per bottle than Formeron to make for a 30 day supply so..30 days would likely cost 50-55$
It looks very promising. We would run testing on several guys, publicly on the forums.
Would you pay 55$ for 30 days supply?
02-06-2014, 02:45 PM
02-06-2014, 02:46 PM
02-06-2014, 02:51 PM
These 3 things:
Are desirable by almost everyone. So if it works for less than $2 a day, you can't really complain about the price.increase muscle mass
Gotta stay on my grind cause its my time
02-06-2014, 02:53 PM
The research is relatively strong.
This stuff is expensive so Id have to spend alot of money just to test it.
Im willing to spend the money on trials if I can get enough people on board.
Im seeing if I can get a small test batch. Otherwise its gonna cost several thousand just for the raws to test.
Im...75% sure it will work. There have already been animal and human tests run and it worked well in both.
Some VERY interesting effects including artheriogenesis. This means you grow new veins so...if anything will make you more vascular something like this will.
This also increases blood flow and nutrient delivery.
Muscle mass markers increased
and strength increased by about 10% in a week.
02-06-2014, 02:54 PM
02-06-2014, 02:57 PM
I''m running formeron right now as a stand alone (im cutting) using 4pumps/day, I've noticed some little sparkles left after apply the form. It has probably been mentioned in this 61 page thread somewhere but I missed it. Is this Form that did not get absorbed?
Gotta stay on my grind cause its my time
02-06-2014, 03:02 PM
02-06-2014, 03:05 PM
So since there is such a high mg per ml you notice what doesnt penetrate. The percent that goes through is actually in solution so the suspension part remains.
You can apply some alcohol based hand sanitizer about 10 min after application. This will force a few more % though. Not much but when we are talking about 10% total another 2-3% IS 30% more.
Also make sure to spread the applications out over as much skin as possible. and apply more than
After a shower is best.
02-06-2014, 03:05 PM
02-06-2014, 03:07 PM
02-06-2014, 03:09 PM
02-06-2014, 03:10 PM
This way we dont get any early season copy cats or clones.
But everyone will be able to see the testing being done and the results. If it works..everyone will know...if it doesnt well...then I paid a ton of money for everyone to know it doesnt
But..Im pretty confident or I wouldnt run trials.
02-06-2014, 03:14 PM
Im trying to obtain a small test batch.
This stuff gets me so excited. I love the research and dev part of my job the most
02-06-2014, 03:17 PM
well, I love **** that works so you got my interest for sure.
Gotta stay on my grind cause its my time
02-06-2014, 04:13 PM
02-06-2014, 06:28 PM
Its hard to draw a direct line between exemestane and formestane expecially with transdermal application because there are so many variables.
I would say approx 2 pumps per 12mg exem.
02-06-2014, 10:50 PM
I'd definitely spend that kind of coin on a product like that. ESP if I could run it during pct and off cycle. Damn right.
Everything I say is fictional and for entertainment purposes only. Do not ask me for sources. I dont have any.
02-06-2014, 10:57 PM
Well use forum members.
Blind. So some will get the active some will get vitamin B or something.
Ill have everyone weigh 3x daily with weekly strength testing on all the major lifts.
Its not at all suppressive so...if this stuff works like we think it will its gonna be a big deal.
02-06-2014, 11:10 PM
Brundel, Dam I like the crystals, but they are unabsorbed formeron? **** so I really wanna spread this out as much as possible. Do you put it on your legs at all? I wish I had the flexibility to put it all over my back. What about abs? Im going to 3 pumps a day so that would seem to be hard to spread out that much gel. Do you reccomend doin 2 applications per day (1.5 pumps per application)?
Also Im picking up some tongkat tomorrow to go along with it, never tried that stuff before
Ill tell you though I have been runnin about 2 pumps a day for 2 weeks and definitely see a visible leaning effect
02-06-2014, 11:30 PM
Sounds like some good ish. Might help me with my max squat days lol.Originally Posted by brundel
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02-06-2014, 11:43 PM
PLENTY gets through.
First thing most people notice is visible leaning, drying and hardening. Higher doses you see some pretty impressive strength.
I dont know the exact dose as I had a big jar of the stuff and was rubbing it on like a freak but the strongest I have ever been was on sublingual testosterone base and super high dose Formeron. At lower doses it may not be very noticeable as you also lose a little when you lose water weight.
02-06-2014, 11:45 PM
02-06-2014, 11:46 PM
Also...its no new news to those who know me that I get easily side tracked.
Im still working on the other products we discussed.
I may just add boron to the tongkat and call it a day.
All the benefits of the high grade tongkat plus a serious increase (600% in me) in free test.
02-06-2014, 11:50 PM
02-07-2014, 02:43 AM
02-07-2014, 04:47 AM
Trying to add in SERM might not be for everyone plus to those not staking it with an AI would just cause lots of estrogen in their bodies - once they stop taking SERM containing tongkat product.
You already have tongkat and boron supply - just put them together with some bioperine and put it on US and UK market and we'll be happy hehe.
Or add some nice promo price for stack with Formeron and this will be flying off of shelves of your distributors.
02-07-2014, 11:19 AM