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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yah tons of things and lots of supplements cause an increase in blood pressure.
    Pretty much every stimulant is vasoconstrictive so BP goes up. Caffeine for example raises blood pressure considerably but is considered extremely safe.
    Its just something to note and be aware of.
    With regards to anabeta, I dont know whats in it but the whole point of giving you guys test batches of our ingredients is to ensure we dont make a product that doesnt work.

    Probably we will do the T booster
    Maybe a separate Serm
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    Intra workout maybe.-this is because over the last few years I have been perfecting mine and my personal brews have all succeeded thus far
    Was checking my logs from 18 months when I was taking Tongkat and didn't noticed much effect on raising my BP or HR but maybe it's cause my BP is already usually low - around 95/65 at HR around 70. Few times 30min after taking Tongkat my HR even went slightly down but I was doing mainly sitting behind computer.

    What's the extract ratio of your Tongkat - 1:50 or 1:100?

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    Amp citrate = 1,3-Dimethylbutylamine.
    Its about 6-10 times weaker than methylhexanamine/1,3 dime/DMAA.
    It also builds tolerance in a few uses so its almost worthless IMHO. Ive been looking at some new stims. THe problem is safety.
    Some companies, I wont name names but Im sure you read the news...Some companies spike their products with amphetamines and somehow forget to label them as such. First this breaks the law and while the F D A isnt exactly on top of things if you start spiking products with amphetamines eventually youll get in trouble. Like prison time trouble. In addition this puts the public in harms way which I refuse to do. If I think it could potentially harm you, even if its a commonly used ingredient, I wont use it. Im here to help people and to make products people are stoked to take. Not to lie and sell you narcotics as a pre workout....
    FOrgive the rant...its just difficult to keep up with companies using viagra and amphetamines.
    At any rate dont think AMP- citrate will be around long as I dont think its a natural analogue and well...stims seem to get whacked fast because of the potential health risks involved with using untested stimulants. Id tread lightly and start with extremely low doses when trying these new stim based supp. Many of them have never been tested in humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Was checking my logs from 18 months when I was taking Tongkat and didn't noticed much effect on raising my BP or HR but maybe it's cause my BP is already usually low - around 95/65 at HR around 70. Few times 30min after taking Tongkat my HR even went slightly down but I was doing mainly sitting behind computer.

    What's the extract ratio of your Tongkat - 1:50 or 1:100?
    50:1
    And I know...everyone says 100:1 or even 200:1 but this is why I let you guys eat it.
    Go ahead....compare it to ANY extract on the market. Ours is comparable or better. Most likely better.
    I know you have already eaten it so you know its good.

    My BP was crazy but to be fair.....it happens alot with me. I can make it go up to 150 just by thinking about it. (whitecoat high BP)
    So this is why I was hoping you guys could run some BP tests.
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    Yeah, I'll check mine at some point this week before and after.
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    Do any of you guys have:
    Insurance so Bloodwork is 100$ or less.
    Not on HRT.
    Existing bloodwork records for comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    Why not just wait until Brundel releases new product?
    Easier said than done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel
    Do any of you guys have:
    Insurance so Bloodwork is 100$ or less.
    Not on HRT.
    Existing bloodwork records for comparison.
    I'll see what my insurance covers. If its cheap and they don't hassle me about it. I would be happy to have some bloodwork ran for ya. I won't have any recent ones to compare with though.
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    Yeah fair enough AMP was only a random suggestion

    I've never tried it so I wouldn't have a clue wether it's good.

    Companies are always trying to bring out new stims, then when people find out it works very well almost too well they take it off the market.

    Everything can be a analogue of amphetamines, DMAA, ephidrine, even forms of caffeine. People tend to forget that caffeine is a drug as well.

    DMAA was found to be safe according to Patrick Arnold and the FDA took the "all guns blazing" approach.

    You're right brundel though, most stims on the market wether safe or not, always get abused by morons doing "hey bro, I do like 4-5 scoops a day"
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    Yah there was a report recently of a guy who died from acute caffeine overdose. 10g lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yah there was a report recently of a guy who died from acute caffeine overdose. 10g lol.
    Holy. Who would want that much caffeine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    Holy. Who would want that much caffeine?
    Two scoops of Hyde can provide nearly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post

    Two scoops of Hyde can provide nearly that.
    That sounds healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post

    Two scoops of Hyde can provide nearly that.
    Isn't Hyde 400mg?
    You would be nearly 1g, not 10

    10 is absurd. I wonder if that was over a day or he took it in one shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Isn't Hyde 400mg?
    You would be nearly 1g, not 10

    10 is absurd. I wonder if that was over a day or he took it in one shot
    I think you missed the sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post

    I think you missed the sarcasm.
    Conversing in text has that unfortunate side effect
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    On a side note, I talked again to one of the guys I know who tested Nettle root. Apparently they did find SOME divanil.

    They tested 15 different extracts. Labeled as 95% -98%divanil. Some were from well known supps you guys buy.
    None tested above 1-2%. So, I retract my 0% statement. Nobody's perfect and Ill always admit when Im incorrect.

    What is correct is there is no 95% divanil. or 10%. or even likely 3%.
    So I still stand by everyone out there selling you divanil products that state high% extracts are lying.

    In addition the other people I know who tested it still stand by 0 was found in directly imported plant extracts so..Who knows


    I have some nettle at the shop.
    I ate it but didnt notice anything. When I first took Boron I noticed something so it brings into question if nettle is needed.
    Its SUPER cheap so we could just throw it in at 500mg with little price increase.
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    As an aside, I've noticed that since I started adding in 10mg of boron a few weeks back, I am breaking out a little bit. I haven't had any zits or blemishes since I was in my early 20's, so I wonder if it has a play on my free test. I have not run labs since starting , so just an observation.
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    Ive only seen my own bloods running it.
    Free test went from 96 to 608 in 30 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Ive only seen my own bloods running it.
    Free test went from 96 to 608 in 30 days.
    Not sure if you posted this as well but what was your total test and estradiol values? Just wanted to see if this is at a trt dose of test or more because 608 is unreal for free test as im sure you know. Thanks man.
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    Can formeron cause hairloss??
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    Maybe take out the nettle root and replace it with sensoril (ashgawanda)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon2787 View Post
    Can formeron cause hairloss??
    It has in my experience and two of my other mates. It's only if you're susceptible to DHT or androgen hair loss. I know it sky rocketed my DHT, but damn it felt so good

    I'll let brundel answer it
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    Take out the nettle and add the SERM.
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    Have any of you guys ever used atd? And if so what's your thoughts on it as an estrogen blocker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    Not sure if you posted this as well but what was your total test and estradiol values? Just wanted to see if this is at a trt dose of test or more because 608 is unreal for free test as im sure you know. Thanks man.
    Total was in the 2000 range and E2 was 90.
    So Total was 200% of range but Free was close to 600%. Its a huge deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon2787 View Post
    Can formeron cause hairloss??
    In studies Formestane was a mild 5 alpha reductase inhibitor so if anything it should help with DHT related sides.
    I have more than one friend who notices a reduction in BHP issues when using Formeron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    Take out the nettle and add the SERM.
    Yah Im thinking the SERM+ tongkat+ boron and something to help with absorption will be perfect.

    Will work as a SERM.
    Will work as a T booster.
    Libido enhancer
    Mood
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    Ill make a batch and we can see how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cjg View Post
    Have any of you guys ever used atd? And if so what's your thoughts on it as an estrogen blocker?
    ATD is ok but nobody uses it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yah Im thinking the SERM+ tongkat+ boron and something to help with absorption will be perfect.

    Will work as a SERM.
    Will work as a T booster.
    Libido enhancer
    Mood
    energy
    etc.

    Ill make a batch and we can see how it works.
    This sounds like a winner - yeah agree if nettle is not doing much even if it's cheap better not put it in and let tongkat do it's magic as SHBG inhibitor.

    Less is more so I'm all up for less ingredient but at right amounts so tongkat + boron and if you want also a SERM plus some bioperine to increase absorption and this is it.

    I'm now day 6 of taking just 1 pump of Formeron and don't know if it's placebo or already working but I do feel more energetic and my stomach area also look less bloated despite mainly not exercising and spending most of my day behind computer.

    With just 1 pump a day this 1st bottle could last me 2.5 months easily - still a bit curious to try 2 pumps a day but not need it at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    This sounds like a winner - yeah agree if nettle is not doing much even if it's cheap better not put it in and let tongkat do it's magic as SHBG inhibitor.

    Less is more so I'm all up for less ingredient but at right amounts so tongkat + boron and if you want also a SERM plus some bioperine to increase absorption and this is it.

    I'm now day 6 of taking just 1 pump of Formeron and don't know if it's placebo or already working but I do feel more energetic and my stomach area also look less bloated despite mainly not exercising and spending most of my day behind computer.

    With just 1 pump a day this 1st bottle could last me 2.5 months easily - still a bit curious to try 2 pumps a day but not need it at the moment.
    1 pump is a VERY low dose. Im not saying its not working just that its a very low dose.

    If its working no reason to fix it. THe higher you go the more effect youll get though.
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    So with this test booster you are creating, is it something we will see produced within the next couple months or is it something that's going to come out in a few years?
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    I know someone mentioned it earlier in this thread but I couldn't find it when I went searching for it. Has anyone tried covering their hand with a plastic sandwich bag or something and then pumping the formerone onto the bag to then apply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xant View Post
    So with this test booster you are creating, is it something we will see produced within the next couple months or is it something that's going to come out in a few years?
    Months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarchib View Post
    I know someone mentioned it earlier in this thread but I couldn't find it when I went searching for it. Has anyone tried covering their hand with a plastic sandwich bag or something and then pumping the formerone onto the bag to then apply?
    One guy said he applied with a glove. I use my wrist to rub.
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    Your forearms were invented partly to apply Formeron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Your forearms were invented partly to apply Formeron.
    Hahah fair enough
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    I've tried forearms but surgical gloves are easier for me to apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    I've tried forearms but surgical gloves are easier for me to apply.
    I've tried few times now grocery plastic hand bag and have to say it's effective - I think even gel stays liquid longer than when putting on forearms and even less white crystals after applying (maybe cause with hand you can apply faster than with forearms so you can rub more and bigger area in same time).
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    When I apply my formeron I get a bunch of white crystals on my forearms. Is this normal? Should I leave them there for as long as possible rub them off once it's dry?
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