- 01-20-2014, 11:55 AM
What's the extract ratio of your Tongkat - 1:50 or 1:100?
- 01-20-2014, 01:48 PM
Amp citrate = 1,3-Dimethylbutylamine.
Its about 6-10 times weaker than methylhexanamine/1,3 dime/DMAA.
It also builds tolerance in a few uses so its almost worthless IMHO. Ive been looking at some new stims. THe problem is safety.
Some companies, I wont name names but Im sure you read the news...Some companies spike their products with amphetamines and somehow forget to label them as such. First this breaks the law and while the F D A isnt exactly on top of things if you start spiking products with amphetamines eventually youll get in trouble. Like prison time trouble. In addition this puts the public in harms way which I refuse to do. If I think it could potentially harm you, even if its a commonly used ingredient, I wont use it. Im here to help people and to make products people are stoked to take. Not to lie and sell you narcotics as a pre workout....
FOrgive the rant...its just difficult to keep up with companies using viagra and amphetamines.
At any rate dont think AMP- citrate will be around long as I dont think its a natural analogue and well...stims seem to get whacked fast because of the potential health risks involved with using untested stimulants. Id tread lightly and start with extremely low doses when trying these new stim based supp. Many of them have never been tested in humans.
- 01-20-2014, 01:55 PM
01-20-2014, 01:58 PM
And I know...everyone says 100:1 or even 200:1 but this is why I let you guys eat it.
Go ahead....compare it to ANY extract on the market. Ours is comparable or better. Most likely better.
I know you have already eaten it so you know its good.
My BP was crazy but to be fair.....it happens alot with me. I can make it go up to 150 just by thinking about it. (whitecoat high BP)
So this is why I was hoping you guys could run some BP tests.
01-20-2014, 02:40 PM
01-20-2014, 02:45 PM
Do any of you guys have:
Insurance so Bloodwork is 100$ or less.
Not on HRT.
Existing bloodwork records for comparison.
01-20-2014, 03:10 PM
01-20-2014, 03:49 PM
I'll see what my insurance covers. If its cheap and they don't hassle me about it. I would be happy to have some bloodwork ran for ya. I won't have any recent ones to compare with though.Originally Posted by brundel
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01-20-2014, 04:03 PM
Yeah fair enough AMP was only a random suggestion
I've never tried it so I wouldn't have a clue wether it's good.
Companies are always trying to bring out new stims, then when people find out it works very well almost too well they take it off the market.
Everything can be a analogue of amphetamines, DMAA, ephidrine, even forms of caffeine. People tend to forget that caffeine is a drug as well.
DMAA was found to be safe according to Patrick Arnold and the FDA took the "all guns blazing" approach.
You're right brundel though, most stims on the market wether safe or not, always get abused by morons doing "hey bro, I do like 4-5 scoops a day"
01-20-2014, 06:12 PM
Yah there was a report recently of a guy who died from acute caffeine overdose. 10g lol.
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01-21-2014, 09:15 AM
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01-21-2014, 02:27 PM
On a side note, I talked again to one of the guys I know who tested Nettle root. Apparently they did find SOME divanil.
They tested 15 different extracts. Labeled as 95% -98%divanil. Some were from well known supps you guys buy.
None tested above 1-2%. So, I retract my 0% statement. Nobody's perfect and Ill always admit when Im incorrect.
What is correct is there is no 95% divanil. or 10%. or even likely 3%.
So I still stand by everyone out there selling you divanil products that state high% extracts are lying.
In addition the other people I know who tested it still stand by 0 was found in directly imported plant extracts so..Who knows
I have some nettle at the shop.
I ate it but didnt notice anything. When I first took Boron I noticed something so it brings into question if nettle is needed.
Its SUPER cheap so we could just throw it in at 500mg with little price increase.
01-21-2014, 03:03 PM
As an aside, I've noticed that since I started adding in 10mg of boron a few weeks back, I am breaking out a little bit. I haven't had any zits or blemishes since I was in my early 20's, so I wonder if it has a play on my free test. I have not run labs since starting , so just an observation.
01-21-2014, 03:07 PM
Ive only seen my own bloods running it.
Free test went from 96 to 608 in 30 days.
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01-22-2014, 05:27 AM
Less is more so I'm all up for less ingredient but at right amounts so tongkat + boron and if you want also a SERM plus some bioperine to increase absorption and this is it.
I'm now day 6 of taking just 1 pump of Formeron and don't know if it's placebo or already working but I do feel more energetic and my stomach area also look less bloated despite mainly not exercising and spending most of my day behind computer.
With just 1 pump a day this 1st bottle could last me 2.5 months easily - still a bit curious to try 2 pumps a day but not need it at the moment.
01-22-2014, 01:39 PM
01-22-2014, 01:42 PM
So with this test booster you are creating, is it something we will see produced within the next couple months or is it something that's going to come out in a few years?
01-22-2014, 07:11 PM
I know someone mentioned it earlier in this thread but I couldn't find it when I went searching for it. Has anyone tried covering their hand with a plastic sandwich bag or something and then pumping the formerone onto the bag to then apply?
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01-24-2014, 03:31 PM
When I apply my formeron I get a bunch of white crystals on my forearms. Is this normal? Should I leave them there for as long as possible rub them off once it's dry?