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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Just went to the Tongkat fitness website. $90 a bottle? Yikes.
    Yes but that's for 120 caps - at 1 or max 2 caps a day with 5days on/2 days off 1 bottle last you 12 weeks or 3 months then cost is $30/month which is amazing price for quality Tongkat Ali.

    Some men have no problem spending $200/night when they go out so $30/month shouldn't be a problem.

    At the end it's all relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Tongkat Forskolin nettle Boron.
    Don't toy with my heart. I'm all moist now.
    Everything I say is fictional and for entertainment purposes only. Do not ask me for sources. I dont have any.
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    Yeah boiiii !!! Just looked in my mailbox this morning and guess what I found.

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    Does Formeron actually stimulate test production? If so, can it be used as an ancillary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    What's the extract ratio for this Tongkat Ali - 1:100 or 1:200?

    So far best tongkat I've taken is from tongkatfitness that also ships domestically to US, Canada, EU and Australia and it's a Swiss based company that runs entire operation and even provide a COA for every batch they sell.

    One day I took 3 caps in a day at each cap having 300mg of Tongkat 1:200 (1 cap am & 2 caps pm) and definitely felt wired, increased heart rate and burst of energy and sweating so that was too much but 1 cap a day or 1am & 1pm was sweet spot for me and balls were tingling which almost no other product had such effect on my balls except original Endusurge which used looks like good stinging nettle and mucuna sources.
    As far as I know there are no actual 200:1 extracts. Probably not even 100:1.
    Its all a marketing scam. Everyone thinks this is what you need to have so sellers just label it as such.
    Also..a 4 year old can photoshop a COA. Unless you personally obtained it from a chemical tester its pretty much non admissible.

    Im not saying their product isnt good. I have no idea.
    I do believe they are lying to you though.....at the very least.
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    So what's a good Tongkat to buy from your experience? Source Naturals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Just went to the Tongkat fitness website. $90 a bottle? Yikes.
    Yah..real tongkat is expensive. Its claim to be 200:1 is dubious at best.
    None the less I can promise we could deliver a product with the current extract we have and include other ingredients at full doses ( no prop blends) and keep the price well under that 90$. Probably half or less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Yeah boiiii !!! Just looked in my mailbox this morning and guess what I found.

    Thanks brundel.
    Enjoy it. Its good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xant View Post
    Does Formeron actually stimulate test production? If so, can it be used as an ancillary?
    Yes it will stimulate test prduction and its primary intended use is as an ancillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    So what's a good Tongkat to buy from your experience? Source Naturals?
    Source naturals is a good company in my experience. Ive taken many of their products with good result.
    They are very expensive though and I believe their tongkat is 81mg x 60 for 23$. ALso they are tablets. Heat pressing some compounds can degrade the chems inside. With Tongkat the best extractions are cold water if I remember correctly so Im not sure if heat pressing compromises the quality.

    EIther way...ours is comparable or better than anything currently on the market.
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    Was going to pick up some Boron and Tongkat but I'll just wait for this new BLR product to come out. Hopefully it won't be too long.
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    I think itll be a hit.

    Tongkat,- expensive but worth it.

    Nettle- cheap

    Boron
    - not exactly cheap but it works so well I think its worth it.

    Forkolin- 40% cost me 1000$ per kg. Is it worth it? It would cost 5.50 per bottle just for the powder to make 60mg per cap =25mg forskolin. Probably not gonna happen because of the price. THere is then caps,actual bottles, label manufacturing...it would be like 8$ just for the forskolin.

    Maybe bioperine-cheap.

    Ill keep looking at ingedients on our "positive" list.

    I want to be able to keep the price reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel
    I think itll be a hit.

    Tongkat,- expensive but worth it.

    Nettle- cheap

    Boron- not exactly cheap but it works so well I think its worth it.

    Forkolin- 40% cost me 1000$ per kg. Is it worth it? It would cost 5.50 per bottle just for the powder to make 60mg per cap =25mg forskolin. Probably not gonna happen because of the price. THere is then caps,actual bottles, label manufacturing...it would be like 8$ just for the forskolin.

    Maybe bioperine-cheap.

    Ill keep looking at ingedients on our "positive" list.

    I want to be able to keep the price reasonable.
    I'm really with you on keeping the price reasonable. But at the same time I think the vast majority of us are willing to pay a little extra for quality. I'm really liking the sound of the ingredient profile. I would love to see forskolin in the product. But understand if it's not feasible.


    Also just a quick update. I took 160mg cap of tongkats this morning along with a little borax. And man I've been buzzing! Been wide awake and alert. I couldn't imagine noticing something so fast. I also had a great front squat workout
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    Isn't borax an industrial cleaner? Hopefully you took Boron!
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    Yah the tongkat is very good. I took 100mg with half a prolactrone and I swear im high from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Isn't borax an industrial cleaner? Hopefully you took Boron!
    I think borox is just boron. Pretty sure its edible but it def do some research first. We use boron citrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda
    Isn't borax an industrial cleaner? Hopefully you took Boron!
    Lol thanks honda I appreciate the concern. But like Brundel said borax is just sodium tetraborate aka boron. .
    It's about as toxic as baking soda is to give you an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Lol thanks honda I appreciate the concern. But like Brundel said borax is just sodium tetraborate aka boron. . It's about as toxic as baking soda is to give you an idea.
    Whew! Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    I'm really with you on keeping the price reasonable. But at the same time I think the vast majority of us are willing to pay a little extra for quality. I'm really liking the sound of the ingredient profile. I would love to see forskolin in the product. But understand if it's not feasible.


    Also just a quick update. I took 160mg cap of tongkats this morning along with a little borax. And man I've been buzzing! Been wide awake and alert. I couldn't imagine noticing something so fast. I also had a great front squat workout
    I thought tongkat was a test booster?
    So it causes energy and a buzz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons

    I thought tongkat was a test booster?
    So it causes energy and a buzz?
    Your right. It is a test booster. But its also been shown to improve mood, energy levels, libido ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite

    Your right. It is a test booster. But its also been shown to improve mood, energy levels, libido ect.
    And when I say buzz. Just to be clear I'm talking subtle natural more alert feel. Not a caffein buzz like most people think of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    I thought tongkat was a test booster?
    So it causes energy and a buzz?
    It has alot of properties.
    Libido
    test elevation
    Stimulant
    Mood
    some other interesting sexual sides when standardized for specific chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    It has alot of properties.
    Libido
    test elevation
    Stimulant
    Mood
    some other interesting sexual sides when standardized for specific chemicals.
    That is very intriguing!

    Never bothered to try it but now I am keen
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    For me, I like the mood and energy enhancement. It makes you feel good, alert and mentally active- like I want to strike up conversations. Plus, the buzz is different...almost a little high. Put it all together and it is easy to see why people could look at it as a libido supplement.

    I liked splitting up the 250 today. It kept me feeling great all day and I didn't have a racing heart.
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    500 is WAY too much for me.
    I did 100 plus Prolactrone and was def buzzing. Still feel pretty good and its been all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    500 is WAY too much for me. I did 100 plus Prolactrone and was def buzzing. Still feel pretty good and its been all day.
    I looked up l dopa and I've taken mucuna various times but I take lexapro. I looked up lexapro and l dopa on drugs.com for drug interactions and there was none. I keep hearing about antidepressants raising prolactin and I'm starting to worry. Should I ask a doctor if lexapro is ok to take with l dopa or do you think drugs.com is a good enough reference point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    I looked up l dopa and I've taken mucuna various times but I take lexapro. I looked up lexapro and l dopa on drugs.com for drug interactions and there was none. I keep hearing about antidepressants raising prolactin and I'm starting to worry. Should I ask a doctor if lexapro is ok to take with l dopa or do you think drugs.com is a good enough reference point?
    There are quite a few mild interactions with Ldopa and a few severe. Im not sure about lexapro but if your concerned just ask the doc. Thats what they are for.
    You can also research if lexapro elevates prolactin.
    Ldopa will lower prolactin and elevate dopamine.
    It can be pretty nasty if you get too much peripheral metabolism so we include EGCG as a decarboxylase inhibitor to prevent this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    I think itll be a hit.

    Tongkat,- expensive but worth it.

    Nettle- cheap

    Boron
    - not exactly cheap but it works so well I think its worth it.

    Forkolin- 40% cost me 1000$ per kg. Is it worth it? It would cost 5.50 per bottle just for the powder to make 60mg per cap =25mg forskolin. Probably not gonna happen because of the price. THere is then caps,actual bottles, label manufacturing...it would be like 8$ just for the forskolin.

    Maybe bioperine-cheap.

    Ill keep looking at ingedients on our "positive" list.

    I want to be able to keep the price reasonable.
    I'm also into paying more for a quality stuff - at least it won't be sold out most of the time lol.

    Interesting what you say about lying on labels like no Tongkat 1:200 or no Forskolin 95% extract on the markets despite products claiming such extracts.

    Maybe make normal version with tongkat, nettle, boron and bioperine and premium version with added forskolin then let the buyers decide which one they prefer?

    This free T product could be sold in a stack with Formeron hmm just thinking out loud what you can talk next time with Nutraplanet reps
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    I'm also into paying more for a quality stuff - at least it won't be sold out most of the time lol.

    Interesting what you say about lying on labels like no Tongkat 1:200 or no Forskolin 95% extract on the markets despite products claiming such extracts.

    Maybe make normal version with tongkat, nettle, boron and bioperine and premium version with added forskolin then let the buyers decide which one they prefer?

    This free T product could be sold in a stack with Formeron hmm just thinking out loud what you can talk next time with Nutraplanet reps
    Agreed with this. I think if the product actually works and does well, I think you'll be very surprised how willing we all would be to fork out expensive prices for it.
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    Well as a surprise got my 1st bottle of Formeron today which I expected to get on Monday so took a shower after my daily walk and applied 1 pump.

    Maybe just got half a pump out cause I pushed the pump half way down and just air coming out so I released pump to go all the way back then tried again to get 1 pump out and at around half a pump gel started to come out so I might just got half a pump as my 1st dose.

    Yeah I noticed crystals on my skin in 1st minute of applying - this stuff dries out (10-20sec and it's dry), faster than I can apply from 2nd wrist to chest so not even time to rub around the chest since already dry.

    Do you recommend applying gel out of a bottle directly on chest then start to rub with wrist cause if 1st getting gel on 1 wrist then trying to put half of gel to 2nd wrist and rubbing half a gel from 1st wrist to one part of the chest - by the time to start rubbing 2nd half of gel from 2nd wrist the gel is almost dried on the wrist?
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    I know wrists are recommended but I actually prefer surgical gloves to apply topicals like Formeron.
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    Try pumping it out on a 2 cent sandwich bag that U wear like a glove rub it wherever U like. Thats the best way I have found so far to apply it.....
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    I just apply to thigh and rub in with my forearm. My bloodwork tells me this is effective. Also, I recommend shaking the bottle for 5-10sec prior to use to get the consistency right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    Try pumping it out on a 2 cent sandwich bag that U wear like a glove rub it wherever U like. Thats the best way I have found so far to apply it.....
    Yeah this sounds good since with hands much easier to reach shoulders and delts.

    Yeah I did shake the bottle before I pumped gel out.
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    Where are you guys getting your tongkat from? Also, if you take Formeron above the recommended dose for the hydroxytest 4-OHT conversion, will that ever be strong enough to become suppressive? Say if you ran 3 bottles at 4 pumps ED?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Well as a surprise got my 1st bottle of Formeron today which I expected to get on Monday so took a shower after my daily walk and applied 1 pump.

    Maybe just got half a pump out cause I pushed the pump half way down and just air coming out so I released pump to go all the way back then tried again to get 1 pump out and at around half a pump gel started to come out so I might just got half a pump as my 1st dose.

    Yeah I noticed crystals on my skin in 1st minute of applying - this stuff dries out (10-20sec and it's dry), faster than I can apply from 2nd wrist to chest so not even time to rub around the chest since already dry.

    Do you recommend applying gel out of a bottle directly on chest then start to rub with wrist cause if 1st getting gel on 1 wrist then trying to put half of gel to 2nd wrist and rubbing half a gel from 1st wrist to one part of the chest - by the time to start rubbing 2nd half of gel from 2nd wrist the gel is almost dried on the wrist?
    It takes a pump of two to get the pump activated.
    It does dry fast but I have always just pumped it onto my shoulder or pec then rubbed in with my wrist.
    Really rub it in as well. Give it some friction so more forces into the skin. Not enough to rash the skin but enough that its not just drying there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I just apply to thigh and rub in with my forearm. My bloodwork tells me this is effective. Also, I recommend shaking the bottle for 5-10sec prior to use to get the consistency right.
    Inner thighs are a great application site for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xant View Post
    Where are you guys getting your tongkat from? Also, if you take Formeron above the recommended dose for the hydroxytest 4-OHT conversion, will that ever be strong enough to become suppressive? Say if you ran 3 bottles at 4 pumps ED?
    The tongkat is coming from us (Black Lion Research) directly. Its not being publicly sold it was sent out as a test to see how these guys liked it.
    Its the best tongkat Ive ever come across though. The raw plant was imported from malaysia and a new extraction process was used.
    Seeing how well it works we will almost certainly either sell it solo or in combination to make it more effective as a supplement.

    Im not certain at what point Formeron will become suppressive. So far I have not seen it happen.
    I dont think 3 pumps will do it.
    Keep in mind a dose within normal range for formestane is 250mg so..3 pumps is under this.
    It will likely take the 6-8 pump range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    I'm also into paying more for a quality stuff - at least it won't be sold out most of the time lol.

    Interesting what you say about lying on labels like no Tongkat 1:200 or no Forskolin 95% extract on the markets despite products claiming such extracts.

    Maybe make normal version with tongkat, nettle, boron and bioperine and premium version with added forskolin then let the buyers decide which one they prefer?

    This free T product could be sold in a stack with Formeron hmm just thinking out loud what you can talk next time with Nutraplanet reps
    Youll just have to trust me on this....
    There is so much BS in this industry its crazy.
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    Also...Ive been working on a SERM for about a year now.
    In testing it works about as good as Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate.
    Its natural, plant based and had a terrible oral bioavailability. So we encased it in cyclodextrins.
    I have a half KG at work.

    Im thinking this weekend Im gonna cap up a batch of this:

    Tongkat
    Nettle
    Boron
    the SERM
    Bioperine if I have any left....if not Ill use capsacin or something for now.

    This^^ will for sure increase test levels. The SERM alone will likely double your total T level. The boron in my personally increased free T to 608. The range goes to 125-150 I think so its HUGE.
    Plus the nettle and the known increase in test and mood and libido from the Tongkat.

    The SERM is pretty expensive...it might be a pricey supp but I know itll work well.
    Of course we will run bloods to be sure.

    THoughts?
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