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  1. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Do you guys cycle off formeron or stay on most of the time? Does this product lose effectiveness if you don't cycle it?
    I know personally a handful of guys who have been on it for 3-4 years plus with no stopping.
    Doesnt lose potency.

    Also this depends on the use. Solo for test boosting 1-2 pumps is pretty safe and sane.
    Even 4+ pumps is relatively safe when compared to pretty much every other anabolic substance.
    I think higher doses should be cycles. Low dose is ok long term.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I haven't since I started almost 2 months ago. I found that it takes some time to get dialed in right because it is a td and the pump isn't going to be accurate, so you go by looks. 1 fast pump isn't noticed, 2 fast pumps is ideal for me for dryness, mood, and strength. 3 fast pumps makes me lethargic and unmotivated.

    No question it works, just have to know how much/little.
    The lethargic and unmotivated = estro is too low.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Here is the thing....Formeron will elevate test levels but we are not talking anything like a 500mg test cycle which is a low level cycle.
    And..unless hes using 4-6+ pumps daily its not androgenic enough to be an issue. Might be your friend already has the symptoms of male pattern balding and even a slight DHT increase makes it worse.....the bad news is this means his hair is gonna fall out either way so...,why fight it.
    Guys go bald every day...most not on anything at all.

    Secondly...I have more than one friend who uses the Formeron to prevent androgenic sides and it seems to work well for them.
    At any rate....at least you now have a second bottle of Formeron
    Yeah he may be very DHT sensitive. The thing is I think he's being used propecia for the last few years so even more of a reason why I think it's all in his head. It may have changed the texture or something, anything androgens kills his hair.
    Surely if he's on propecia would prevent it anyways but I did read it can be counterproductive with arimidex (a different anti aromatase)

    Haha some people like to hold onto their hair.

    One bottle lasts forever as well! Bonus for me!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    This is only one study. And plus who knew who these rugby players were taking anyways?

  5. For all you possible propecia users and using anti aromatase. This study is done on dogs though haha still interesting to see, considering it can actually help increase DHT and test. This is only measured in da balls as well


    Prostate. 1998 Oct 1;37(2):70-6.
    Effect of dual inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase and aromatase on spontaneously developed canine prostatic hypertrophy.
    Suzuki K, Okazaki H, Ono Y, Kurokawa K, Suzuki T, Onuma E, Takanashi H, Mamiya Y, Yamanaka H.
    Department of Urology, Gunma University School of Medicine, Maebashi, Japan. kazu@news.sb.gunma-u.ac.jp

    BACKGROUND: Our aim was to assess the effect of dual inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase and aromatase on prostate glands. METHODS: We investigated the morphological changes in the prostate gland and the changes in the hormonal environment after administration of finasteride and arimidex to intact canine specimens. The study consisted of four groups: a 5-alpha-reductase only group (5RI only, n = 5); a 5RI plus aromatase-inhibitor combination group (5RI + ARI combination, n = 5); a BPH control group (n = 3); and a castration control group (n = 3). Finasteride (1 mg/kg/day) and the same dose of arimidex were orally administered for 80 days. RESULTS: In the 5RI group, a significant decrease in the serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) level was found, and prostatic volume was significantly decreased. However, significant increases in serum testosterone (T) and DHT levels were observed, with a concomitant increase in prostatic volume in the 5RI + ARI combination group. Morphometric analysis showed that histopathological findings in the 5RI + ARI combination group were similar to those in the BPH control group. CONCLUSIONS: Dual inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase and aromatase resulted in a significant increase in prostate volume, accompanied by a 3-10-fold increase in serum testosterone levels and a significant increase in testicular volume.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post

    This is only one study. And plus who knew who these rugby players were taking anyways?
    Lol true
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  7. So I've been off of formeron for about a day and a half and I noticed my testicles are pulled tight against my scrotum. On the formeron they were always hanging very low. Is this something I need to worry about? I'm using some other natty test boosters as well right now. (Tongkat Ali, massularia, bulbine natalensis, horny goat weed, IGF 2, fenugreek, DIM bioresponse 150)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    So I've been off of formeron for about a day and a half and I noticed my testicles are pulled tight against my scrotum. On the formeron they were always hanging very low. Is this something I need to worry about? I'm using some other natty test boosters as well right now. (Tongkat Ali, massularia, bulbine natalensis, horny goat weed, IGF 2, fenugreek, DIM bioresponse 150)
    Im not sure this has anything to do with or without Formeron.
    From experience running a million steroid cycles I can tell you your balls go through so serious changes when androgens are introduces and when they are withdrawn. Mine would often ache alot when I started a cycle and when I stopped the cycle. Eventually this stopped and Im on lifetime HRT lol.

    For you, running natty test boosters I dont think there is an issue. I would, however, make sure your using test boosers and not phytoandrogens.
    Some boost test,...some mimic it which will reduce test.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Im not sure this has anything to do with or without Formeron.
    From experience running a million steroid cycles I can tell you your balls go through so serious changes when androgens are introduces and when they are withdrawn. Mine would often ache alot when I started a cycle and when I stopped the cycle. Eventually this stopped and Im on lifetime HRT lol.

    For you, running natty test boosters I dont think there is an issue. I would, however, make sure your using test boosers and not phytoandrogens.
    Some boost test,...some mimic it which will reduce test.
    Oh ok I understand. I'm just trying to cycle some of these products ya know? I dont want to be irresponsible. Its definitely a head game though. The first day without formeron made me kind of pissed. I liked the aggression and the feeling of being on something that's helping. Good news is my joints aren't cracking as much lol

  10. Running a formeron, dermacrine and epi cycle soon. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate the Formeron in both the cycle and post cycle.

    I'm going to run epi 60mg for 6 weeks and I will go higher if derma can hold off lethargy. Preload derma two weeks and run along epi for 6 weeks. Pct will be toremifene and d-pol. How would I properly dose formeron through out. Cycle goal is to recomp/cut after a bulk cycle. My thoughts are 2 pumps a day throughout cycle and 1 pump every other day during pct. Please advise

    Fyi-ordered two bottle of derma and two bottle of Formeron

  11. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Transdermal application is very common for medications.
    Particularly for hormones. Think Androgel. Transdermal is more efficient that oral administration for many compounds as it bypasses the stomach and GI tract and allows for better uptake of the active ingredients.

    As for sweating. Apply to the upper chest, neck and shoulders. As you sweat your pores will open and youll absorb more than a normal person.
    This is why we recommend applying after a shower because your pores are open and accept the supplement better.
    Try not to use your hands to apply as they are TERRIBLE for absorption and you waste everything on your hand. Instead use your forearm to run the gel in.
    From my understanding, the biggest benefit transdermals offer vs. orals when it comes to, well pretty much any hormone is transdermals do not undergo first-pass metabolism at the liver. there is a reason oral synthetic hormones (steroids) are alkylated at the C-17 position, to allow it the hormone molecule to make it through first pass metabolism. correct me if i'm wrong, however that basic understanding comes from years of studying drug metabolism.

  12. How long do I have to wait before I can go tanning after applying formeron?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Running a formeron, dermacrine and epi cycle soon. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate the Formeron in both the cycle and post cycle.

    I'm going to run epi 60mg for 6 weeks and I will go higher if derma can hold off lethargy. Preload derma two weeks and run along epi for 6 weeks. Pct will be toremifene and d-pol. How would I properly dose formeron through out. Cycle goal is to recomp/cut after a bulk cycle. My thoughts are 2 pumps a day throughout cycle and 1 pump every other day during pct. Please advise

    Fyi-ordered two bottle of derma and two bottle of Formeron
    Bump^

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Raize View Post
    From my understanding, the biggest benefit transdermals offer vs. orals when it comes to, well pretty much any hormone is transdermals do not undergo first-pass metabolism at the liver. there is a reason oral synthetic hormones (steroids) are alkylated at the C-17 position, to allow it the hormone molecule to make it through first pass metabolism. correct me if i'm wrong, however that basic understanding comes from years of studying drug metabolism.
    If say you made an anadrol transdermal. (Im not sure this is possible just an example) you would still experience liver strain fro the methylation.
    THis is the same if you inject winny or anadrol. No matter how it gets in it still causes liver stress.

    Where transdermal is preferred is in the case of a NON methylated hormone. Often these get destroyed in the stomach and intestines and are poorly absorbed.
    Testosterone is a great example. Eat some test.....nothing happens. Apply it transdermally, however, and it works well.
    This is because we bypass the GI tract and get right into the bloodstream. FOrmestane...is actually VERY good orally. I dont know where the myth started but its actually better orally than TD. I think the myth started because the companies selling it were dosing it at 25mg which is stupid.
    100mg is the lowest dose I would use orally. 250+ is AMAZING. 500 feels like winstrol....of course this gets pricey.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    How long do I have to wait before I can go tanning after applying formeron?
    No need to wait.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Running a formeron, dermacrine and epi cycle soon. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate the Formeron in both the cycle and post cycle.

    I'm going to run epi 60mg for 6 weeks and I will go higher if derma can hold off lethargy. Preload derma two weeks and run along epi for 6 weeks. Pct will be toremifene and d-pol. How would I properly dose formeron through out. Cycle goal is to recomp/cut after a bulk cycle. My thoughts are 2 pumps a day throughout cycle and 1 pump every other day during pct. Please advise

    Fyi-ordered two bottle of derma and two bottle of Formeron
    EPI was originally used as an AI correct? I would not combine Formeron and EPI. Joint pain and severe lethargy and depression and depressed libido will likely arise.

    I have read conflicting things in this regard. If its not an AI then run it like you had outlined. 2 pumps on and 1 off.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    EPI was originally used as an AI correct? I would not combine Formeron and EPI. Joint pain and severe lethargy and depression and depressed libido will likely arise.

    I have read conflicting things in this regard. If its not an AI then run it like you had outlined. 2 pumps on and 1 off.
    Epi is very dry and does have an anti estrogen effect but I've never read or heard of it used as an ai.

  18. Epi solo I didn't need an ai and was very dry. However on test and epi, I blew up like a balloon.
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  19. Good luck with derma and lethargy. Derma has never done anything to help my lethargy on cycle or off. Oral DHEA really helps though. I personally like to use Diesel Test Hardcore while on cycle and off. I has both DHEA and pregnenalone plus a bunch of other goodies. I really helps with recovery and lethargy.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    Epi solo I didn't need an ai and was very dry. However on test and epi, I blew up like a balloon.
    I'm not using test but I am using dermacrine which is nothing like test but derma has caused gyno symptoms for a few of the people I know personally

  21. Ok my first application was applied today. High quality bottle and it was very easy to apply and it dried in seconds.

    I won't say a con but I thought it was funny that it mildly smells like my grandmothers perfume and it left hardly noticeable glitter on my forarms.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    I'm not using test but I am using dermacrine which is nothing like test but derma has caused gyno symptoms for a few of the people I know personally
    I know that. But I'm saying don't rule out the formeron just in case.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Ok my first application was applied today. High quality bottle and it was very easy to apply and it dried in seconds.

    I won't say a con but I thought it was funny that it mildly smells like my grandmothers perfume and it left hardly noticeable glitter on my forarms.
    Yeah some of my favorite stuff. I rub until I feel it go smooth, dries and no residue.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    Epi is very dry and does have an anti estrogen effect but I've never read or heard of it used as an ai.
    Then you should be good to go.
    2+ pumps on cycle and 1+ during pct is good.
    The higher the dose the more anabolic it is.
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  25. Dear Brundel,

    A month ago felt pain in my left nipple and decided to use 40 mg of tamoxifen for a month. It worked! but now I have vision problems as a side effect of tamoxifen. Then, I did a blood test to measure my total estrogen levels and the results were "261 pg/mL" that according to the range expected shown by the laboratory this should be betweet "40 - 115 pg/mL". Now I have Formeron, DAA, Mucuna Pruriens (Standarized to 98% L-DOPA), Vitamin D and Zinc Picolinate in my NP cart to use them all to try to low my extremely high estrogen levels... this also is seriously affecting me in my libido and sexual performance.

    Please tell me something! Will Formeron and the other things help me? --- Thanks in advance
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