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The combination of L-Citrulline, Agmatine, GMS & Plantago(PUMPs + Endurance)
Sometimes pump products can get in the way of endurance training, but this is why I come to you for new protocols to try for everyone who is using High Volume.
These protocols are goal dependent, I myself have been using the protcol 1 for pumps on weight training days, for cardio days I've been using protocol 2 for endurance, on days I have boxing or grappling I've been sticking with protocol 3 for enhanced Hydration & Endurance. Based on the feedback from loggers, reviews and training partners all 3 of these dosing protocols are very useful.
Ingredients profile = 2 scoop full serving size/40 scoops per tub
Protocol 1- (PUMPS)
2 scoops of High Volume Pre-workout
Protocol 2- (ENDURANCE)
1 scoop of High Volume pre-workout, 1 scoop Intra-Workout
Protocol 3- (Enhanced Hydration & Endurance)
1.5-2 scoops High Volume Intra-Workout
The Benefits of L-Citrulline
It's well known how effective L-Citrulline is for boosting nitric oxide. L-Citrulline functions in the body by being converted to L-arginine and then into nitric oxide. The nitric oxide will bring on vasodilation, this is what helps increase the amount of blood and oxygen that is delivered to the exercised muscles. When blood flow is optimal the body will be sending essential nutrients to the muscle tissues, this includes both carbohydrates and protein, which is obviously a must for recovery.
L-Citrulline also plays a role in the urea cycle, where it helps reduce the amount of lactic acid build-up you experience during your workouts.
Both these actions are going to help you reduce the overall levels of fatigue you feel during your workout.
What does L-Citrulline offer?
*Increased performance/Endurance in the gym
*Better Pumps & Vascularity
*Faster recovery
*Improved erection hardness
L-Citrulline Studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20386132 (This study used 8g citrulline malate (providing 4g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20499249 (This study used 6g citrulline malate (providing 3g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145119?dopt=Citation (This study used 6g of citrulline malate providing 3g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21664351 (This study used 3g of citrulline malate providing 1.5g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19585317(This study used 6g of citrulline malate providing 3g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9164703
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21195829
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1574005/
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The Benefits of Agmatine
Agmatine is a decarboxylated metabolite of L-Arginine. It's actions are wildely different than that of arginine, Agmatine acts as a neurotransmitter it has the ability to induce pumps through multiple mechanisms, induce production of GH, nitric oxide, creatine and protein.
In addition to increased nutrient delivery to muscle cells, agmatine also acts to aid nutrient uptake by increasing muscle cell insulin sensitivity through activation of I(2)-imidazoline receptors (25). So agmatine not only helps you get the glucose and amino acids to the right place, it also opens the door and drives them right inside the muscle cell to enhance protein synthesis.
What does Agmatine offer?
* Increases Nitric Oxide synthesis
* Enhances nutrient delivery to muscle cells
* Raises muscle cell insulin sensitivity
* Mood elevating
* Neuro-protective
Agmatine Studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12782188
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11125020
http://www.ajnr.org/content/27/4/780.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1399259
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18364017
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The Benefits of Micronized Glycerol Monostearate
Given that there are many different types of glycerols, its been found that GMS is far superior for bodybuilding applications. Typical GMS on the market is made up of very large particles that have a lot of trouble dissolving and cause some difficulty in consumption, while a micronized form of GMS will maximize its mixability.
Glycerol is a substance which has been shown to elevate blood plasma volume. Recent studies have shown that consuming glycerol before a workout can boost your ability to retain intra-muscular fluid by up to fifty percent. Hyperhydration in elite endurance athletes has been well documented and proven effective.
GMS brings a mechanism to pump and endurance that is independent of NO-based mechanisms seen in ingredients like L-Citrulline.
Typical GMS on the market is made up of very large particles that have a lot of trouble dissolving and cause some difficulty in consumption. Thats why Athletix uses a special form of GMS that is micronized to maximize its mixability in the formula.
What does GMS offer?
*Enhanced Hydration
*Intracellular nutrient/electrolyte delivery
*Elevate blood plasma volume
*Boost your ability to retain intra-muscular fluid by up to fifty percent
GMS Studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8775573
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00423211#
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/sports-nutrition-does-glycerol-help-athletes-stay-hydrated-988
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The Benefits of Plantago Major L.
Plantago was first released by Athletix in their test booster Titanium and now you can find it in our new High Volume formula. Even tho this is still a new ingredient to the supplement industry there is one promosing animal study performed on this extract. The study shows significant results in terms of endurance through glycogen retention. The study also mentions Plantago may be useful to increase physical strength as well.
What does Plantago offer?
* Increased glycogen retention
* Increased endurance/Performance in the gym
Plantago Studies
http://www.academicjournals.org/jmpr/pdf/pdf2011/4May/Mao-ye%20and%20Li-guo.pdf
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Now anyone can post a bunch of studies, but here are some quotes from real feedback from members of AM who have tried the combination of L-Citrulline, Agmatine, GMS & Plantago(High Volume).
Feedback on L-Citrulline, Agmatine, GMS & Plantago(High Volume)
"I would recommend this to any serious athlete looking to improve performance in athleticism, or even if your striving for that mix of pump and vascularity"
"Quoted by MackyRB"
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"ALL DAY PUMPS!! Feeling full & swole all day long, and especially during my workouts. My first workout on this was arm day. After my first warmup set, I was already feeling it! The vascularity is popping out too!"
"Quoted by Enhanced"
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Pumps-
Amazing Pump. I had worked out arms
and my arms looked more vascular then they have looked in a while, while working
out. The pump was not uncomfortable at all.
Endurance- Great. Some of the best endurance I've received with a pre-workout before.
"Quoted by JonRubio"
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Half hour after the pwo kicked in, i did feel the need to keep goin. i did a few extra sets and workouts and didnt wanna leave the gym. when i hopped on the treadmill i didnt get a tired feeling or even felt like i was on the treadmill, i just kept goin with it.
"Quoted by mstep"
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Overall: 5/5
I would say for a Non Stim, it would be hard for me personally to not give it a 5/5. I was locked in, alert, had a good pump, and it tasted good. I really can't wait to give it another go.
"Quoted by Cubsfan815"
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I will be using this product when it comes out. I believe I have found my non stim pre which will make taking my needed stim breaks a lot easier.
"Quoted by Bean5er"
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Is the powder really the stim and the caps the non stim?I SWEAR I got an energy surge from this preworkout. It felt like a drank a couple cups of coffee....I was in the zone for my back and biceps workout and I got a pretty nice pump too.Please tell me I'm not imagining things and this is the stim. I really liked this one lol.
"Quoted by FL3XMAGNUM"
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Over all/Recommendation - 4/5 - Would i recommend it to others ? Yup yup , once again great non stim product, ingridents in it were great to provide me a kick after 10hours of work and breeze through the workout.
"Quoted by GQNemesis"
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Plenty of endurance! Got home and legs were on fiiiiiiiiiire!
Results: I would MOST DEF use both stim and non stim pre workouts!
"Quoted by KingLeonidas9"
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Chest day was absolutely awesome. I have doing a program where you do 50 reps with your 10rm. So 10 reps (should fail around 10) 30 seconds rest, and keep doing sets until you reach 50. Needless to say, with this stack, my chest was blown up. I honestly don't think it has ever been that pumped, and I have done this routine with several different pres. I can say that during chest day especially, I had a LOT more endurance than usual. Guessing it was the citruline? Someone educate me because its awesome.
"Quoted by Tuton11" (Stacked with AcuteFX)
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High volume gave me crazy pumps!
"Quoted by HokiePokie"
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Originally Posted by JudgementDay
Hey Bob, quick question if you don't mind. Overall thoughts on High Volume alone in 1 sentence?
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Feels like someone took helium and put it right into your veins.
"Quoted by The Solution"
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I don't often order supplements myself. I am more than taken care of by PES. That being said, I have a rule that if there is a great product out there will still mention it because it serves as honest consumer advice for you.
I ordered two of these tubs from America. Athletix Sports High Volume.
Easily one of the greatest profiles for a non stimulant pre workout product available at the moment with an unprecedented dose of 5g of L-Citrulline (equivalent to 10g of standard citrulline malate powder).
Look through any pre workout products you have which feature these ingredients and compare doses.
This should suit anyone who is looking for a pump based pre workout product but wants to avoid caffeine.
"Quoted by bdcc"
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If your using these ingredients combined without Plantago or using High Volume with Plantago, I'd love to hear your feedback on prefered dosing and results.
Sometimes pump products can get in the way of endurance training, but this is why I come to you for new protocols to try for everyone who is using High Volume.
These protocols are goal dependent, I myself have been using the protcol 1 for pumps on weight training days, for cardio days I've been using protocol 2 for endurance, on days I have boxing or grappling I've been sticking with protocol 3 for enhanced Hydration & Endurance. Based on the feedback from loggers, reviews and training partners all 3 of these dosing protocols are very useful.
Ingredients profile = 2 scoop full serving size/40 scoops per tub
Protocol 1- (PUMPS)
2 scoops of High Volume Pre-workout
Protocol 2- (ENDURANCE)
1 scoop of High Volume pre-workout, 1 scoop Intra-Workout
Protocol 3- (Enhanced Hydration & Endurance)
1.5-2 scoops High Volume Intra-Workout
The Benefits of L-Citrulline
It's well known how effective L-Citrulline is for boosting nitric oxide. L-Citrulline functions in the body by being converted to L-arginine and then into nitric oxide. The nitric oxide will bring on vasodilation, this is what helps increase the amount of blood and oxygen that is delivered to the exercised muscles. When blood flow is optimal the body will be sending essential nutrients to the muscle tissues, this includes both carbohydrates and protein, which is obviously a must for recovery.
L-Citrulline also plays a role in the urea cycle, where it helps reduce the amount of lactic acid build-up you experience during your workouts.
Both these actions are going to help you reduce the overall levels of fatigue you feel during your workout.
What does L-Citrulline offer?
*Increased performance/Endurance in the gym
*Better Pumps & Vascularity
*Faster recovery
*Improved erection hardness
L-Citrulline Studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20386132 (This study used 8g citrulline malate (providing 4g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20499249 (This study used 6g citrulline malate (providing 3g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145119?dopt=Citation (This study used 6g of citrulline malate providing 3g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21664351 (This study used 3g of citrulline malate providing 1.5g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19585317(This study used 6g of citrulline malate providing 3g of citrulline)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9164703
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21195829
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1574005/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Benefits of Agmatine
Agmatine is a decarboxylated metabolite of L-Arginine. It's actions are wildely different than that of arginine, Agmatine acts as a neurotransmitter it has the ability to induce pumps through multiple mechanisms, induce production of GH, nitric oxide, creatine and protein.
In addition to increased nutrient delivery to muscle cells, agmatine also acts to aid nutrient uptake by increasing muscle cell insulin sensitivity through activation of I(2)-imidazoline receptors (25). So agmatine not only helps you get the glucose and amino acids to the right place, it also opens the door and drives them right inside the muscle cell to enhance protein synthesis.
What does Agmatine offer?
* Increases Nitric Oxide synthesis
* Enhances nutrient delivery to muscle cells
* Raises muscle cell insulin sensitivity
* Mood elevating
* Neuro-protective
Agmatine Studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12782188
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11125020
http://www.ajnr.org/content/27/4/780.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1399259
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18364017
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Benefits of Micronized Glycerol Monostearate
Given that there are many different types of glycerols, its been found that GMS is far superior for bodybuilding applications. Typical GMS on the market is made up of very large particles that have a lot of trouble dissolving and cause some difficulty in consumption, while a micronized form of GMS will maximize its mixability.
Glycerol is a substance which has been shown to elevate blood plasma volume. Recent studies have shown that consuming glycerol before a workout can boost your ability to retain intra-muscular fluid by up to fifty percent. Hyperhydration in elite endurance athletes has been well documented and proven effective.
GMS brings a mechanism to pump and endurance that is independent of NO-based mechanisms seen in ingredients like L-Citrulline.
Typical GMS on the market is made up of very large particles that have a lot of trouble dissolving and cause some difficulty in consumption. Thats why Athletix uses a special form of GMS that is micronized to maximize its mixability in the formula.
What does GMS offer?
*Enhanced Hydration
*Intracellular nutrient/electrolyte delivery
*Elevate blood plasma volume
*Boost your ability to retain intra-muscular fluid by up to fifty percent
GMS Studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8775573
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00423211#
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/sports-nutrition-does-glycerol-help-athletes-stay-hydrated-988
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The Benefits of Plantago Major L.
Plantago was first released by Athletix in their test booster Titanium and now you can find it in our new High Volume formula. Even tho this is still a new ingredient to the supplement industry there is one promosing animal study performed on this extract. The study shows significant results in terms of endurance through glycogen retention. The study also mentions Plantago may be useful to increase physical strength as well.
What does Plantago offer?
* Increased glycogen retention
* Increased endurance/Performance in the gym
Plantago Studies
http://www.academicjournals.org/jmpr/pdf/pdf2011/4May/Mao-ye%20and%20Li-guo.pdf
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now anyone can post a bunch of studies, but here are some quotes from real feedback from members of AM who have tried the combination of L-Citrulline, Agmatine, GMS & Plantago(High Volume).
Feedback on L-Citrulline, Agmatine, GMS & Plantago(High Volume)
"I would recommend this to any serious athlete looking to improve performance in athleticism, or even if your striving for that mix of pump and vascularity"
"Quoted by MackyRB"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"ALL DAY PUMPS!! Feeling full & swole all day long, and especially during my workouts. My first workout on this was arm day. After my first warmup set, I was already feeling it! The vascularity is popping out too!"
"Quoted by Enhanced"
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pumps-
Amazing Pump. I had worked out arms
and my arms looked more vascular then they have looked in a while, while working
out. The pump was not uncomfortable at all.
Endurance- Great. Some of the best endurance I've received with a pre-workout before.
"Quoted by JonRubio"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Half hour after the pwo kicked in, i did feel the need to keep goin. i did a few extra sets and workouts and didnt wanna leave the gym. when i hopped on the treadmill i didnt get a tired feeling or even felt like i was on the treadmill, i just kept goin with it.
"Quoted by mstep"
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Overall: 5/5
I would say for a Non Stim, it would be hard for me personally to not give it a 5/5. I was locked in, alert, had a good pump, and it tasted good. I really can't wait to give it another go.
"Quoted by Cubsfan815"
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I will be using this product when it comes out. I believe I have found my non stim pre which will make taking my needed stim breaks a lot easier.
"Quoted by Bean5er"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is the powder really the stim and the caps the non stim?I SWEAR I got an energy surge from this preworkout. It felt like a drank a couple cups of coffee....I was in the zone for my back and biceps workout and I got a pretty nice pump too.Please tell me I'm not imagining things and this is the stim. I really liked this one lol.
"Quoted by FL3XMAGNUM"
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Over all/Recommendation - 4/5 - Would i recommend it to others ? Yup yup , once again great non stim product, ingridents in it were great to provide me a kick after 10hours of work and breeze through the workout.
"Quoted by GQNemesis"
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Plenty of endurance! Got home and legs were on fiiiiiiiiiire!
Results: I would MOST DEF use both stim and non stim pre workouts!
"Quoted by KingLeonidas9"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chest day was absolutely awesome. I have doing a program where you do 50 reps with your 10rm. So 10 reps (should fail around 10) 30 seconds rest, and keep doing sets until you reach 50. Needless to say, with this stack, my chest was blown up. I honestly don't think it has ever been that pumped, and I have done this routine with several different pres. I can say that during chest day especially, I had a LOT more endurance than usual. Guessing it was the citruline? Someone educate me because its awesome.
"Quoted by Tuton11" (Stacked with AcuteFX)
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High volume gave me crazy pumps!
"Quoted by HokiePokie"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally Posted by JudgementDay
Hey Bob, quick question if you don't mind. Overall thoughts on High Volume alone in 1 sentence?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feels like someone took helium and put it right into your veins.
"Quoted by The Solution"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't often order supplements myself. I am more than taken care of by PES. That being said, I have a rule that if there is a great product out there will still mention it because it serves as honest consumer advice for you.
I ordered two of these tubs from America. Athletix Sports High Volume.
Easily one of the greatest profiles for a non stimulant pre workout product available at the moment with an unprecedented dose of 5g of L-Citrulline (equivalent to 10g of standard citrulline malate powder).
Look through any pre workout products you have which feature these ingredients and compare doses.
This should suit anyone who is looking for a pump based pre workout product but wants to avoid caffeine.
"Quoted by bdcc"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If your using these ingredients combined without Plantago or using High Volume with Plantago, I'd love to hear your feedback on prefered dosing and results.
