PBOLD -New Products at ANDRO FACTORY?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by g0hardorgohom View Post
    This will be wet-ish compound. TN's original P-Bold was quite try because it has ATD in it but this doesn't so gains will be wetter.

    I'd stack it with 4-AD rather than 1-AD because 4-AD converts to testosterone and it's always good to have test in your system during the cycle. It helps to combat lethargy and libido loss.

    Bulk-up has 4-DHEA in it and has much more actives than AMS 4-AD has so low-dose Bulk-up would be a good option too.

    I second this. If you had to choose I would go with the 4-AD or Bulk-Up. Of course if it was me I would lean towards Bulk-Up(4-AD based) for my test base and would use both P-BOLD and the 1AD. Thats just me though and I have many cycles under my belt. If you have not used anything hormonal yet I would use Bulk-Up first. Once you know how you respond to BU you can then add in the others one at a time to get an idea of how you like them.




  2. Quote Originally Posted by g0hardorgohom View Post
    This will be wet-ish compound. TN's original P-Bold was quite dry because it has ATD in it but this doesn't so gains will be wetter... and bigger!
    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Had great results when Taurus made this.
    Will this have ATD in it like Taurus version?
    I vote no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    Yes, it does.
    Ummm, I think it does have ATD :-P
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Ummm, I think it does have ATD :-P
    I saw the label today and didn't notice ATD there but I guess I was wrong. Sorry for confusion.

    ATD will definitely makes those gains more dry.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw

    I second this. If you had to choose I would go with the 4-AD or Bulk-Up. Of course if it was me I would lean towards Bulk-Up(4-AD based) for my test base and would use both P-BOLD and the 1AD. Thats just me though and I have many cycles under my belt. If you have not used anything hormonal yet I would use Bulk-Up first. Once you know how you respond to BU you can then add in the others one at a time to get an idea of how you like them.
    I have done plenty of cycles. PH and AS. I just ask because I have some alpha mass I was wanting to run something with it. But I believe it is more 1-DHEA if I'm correct. PBold doesn't seem like it would go as well with it as bulk up. so bulk up seems to be the right idea...correct?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Bravoboy View Post
    I have done plenty of cycles. PH and AS. I just ask because I have some alpha mass I was wanting to run something with it. But I believe it is more 1-DHEA if I'm correct. PBold doesn't seem like it would go as well with it as bulk up. so bulk up seems to be the right idea...correct?
    alpha mass is 1-dhea ur correct....so bulk up would compliment you with the 4dhea
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Bravoboy View Post
    I have done plenty of cycles. PH and AS. I just ask because I have some alpha mass I was wanting to run something with it. But I believe it is more 1-DHEA if I'm correct. PBold doesn't seem like it would go as well with it as bulk up. so bulk up seems to be the right idea...correct?
    Sorry I never meant to assume you had no cycles under your belt. I just see people all the time taking 2-3 compounds when they have never taken any of them individually. As this is not the case for you I would say yes Bulk-Up would be the one to take if you had to choose one. Bulk-Up will do more to combat the lethargy and possible loss of libido some see with 1AD based products.



  7. I would LOVE to log P-Bold, or any of your products.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    I would LOVE to log P-Bold, or any of your products.
    You and me both. I think we have some logs set up but who knows what the future will hold. Keep your eyes open.



  9. P-BOLD logs should be going up shortly guys. I think your going to love the improvements since Taurus had it. There have been some significant changes!

  10. Once i get my P-BOLD in, i will start up my log Immediately. im just getting stuff together for PCT in the mean time.

    I already can tell P-BOLD is going to be amazing!! & Cant wait to make it visible to everyone else here.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by g0hardorgohom View Post
    So you've just added the CR+P and lowered the recommended dose? Does it still need to be held under the tongue? Isn't there a threshold of what can be absorbed through the mucosal membrane at one time?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    So you've just added the CR+P and lowered the recommended dose? Does it still need to be held under the tongue? Isn't there a threshold of what can be absorbed through the mucosal membrane at one time?
    You can still take more than 3ml a day. If you take more than that, I suggest taking it in at least two separate doses. It's always good to take it few times a day so blood levels will be more stable.

    And yes, P-BOLD has HPB-cyclodextrin in it so you are supposed to keep it under your tongue.
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  14. What changed with the formula that suggests 1 serving 3ml? The old was 6ml multiple times a day. People were running it more and seeing better results at 8-10ml 3-4 servings a day.
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  15. And if I'm not mistaken the half like is about 4 hours? Meaning 20 hours of the day the product isn't present? Hmmm
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by g0hardorgohom View Post
    You can still take more than 3ml a day. If you take more than that, I suggest taking it in at least two separate doses. It's always good to take it few times a day so blood levels will be more stable.

    And yes, P-BOLD has HPB-cyclodextrin in it so you are supposed to keep it under your tongue.
    Just curious since the label makes no mention of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    What changed with the formula that suggests 1 serving 3ml? The old was 6ml multiple times a day. People were running it more and seeing better results at 8-10ml 3-4 servings a day.
    Actually I believe the old was 4-8ml. Also, the new P-Bold seems much more expensive, making dosing that high cost prohibitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    And if I'm not mistaken the half like is about 4 hours? Meaning 20 hours of the day the product isn't present? Hmmm
    This is my concern too, along with being told before that taking more the 2ml at a time wouldn't be good as the mucosal membrane would only absorb so much. Would love to hear Eric chime in on this, since this was his baby.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Just curious since the label makes no mention of that.



    Actually I believe the old was 4-8ml. Also, the new P-Bold seems much more expensive, making dosing that high cost prohibitive.



    This is my concern too, along with being told before that taking more the 2ml at a time wouldn't be good as the mucosal membrane would only absorb so much. Would love to hear Eric chime in on this, since this was his baby.
    17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4-Diene-3,20-Dione 20 mg
    17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4,6-Triene-3,20-Dione 5 mg
    120 serving
    Serving size 1 ml

    This is the amount in the old Pro EQ.^

    17aHydroxy-Pregna-1, 4-Diene-3, 20-Dione 60mg
    18aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4, 6-Triene-3, 20-Dione 15mg
    per 3ml 40 servings so you could also take 120 1ml servings
    Here is P-BOLD^

    Would it be better to take 1ml 3 times a day? Yes IMO it would be. Will more people stick to the program if dosed once per day? Absolutely.



  18. I guess I'm curious from what changes have been made that would make it so that it would be effective at a once a day dose, as this is whats recommended on the label, that's all. Would be cool if the formulator could weigh in.

    The only reason I mentioned the dose is that I found it interesting that the recommended for the new P-Bold was below the minimum recommended by the Taurus version of P-Bold. Had the efficiency been improved? How is the 24 hour release achieved?

    Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw View Post
    17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4-Diene-3,20-Dione 20 mg
    17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4,6-Triene-3,20-Dione 5 mg
    120 serving
    Serving size 1 ml

    This is the amount in the old Pro EQ.^

    17aHydroxy-Pregna-1, 4-Diene-3, 20-Dione 60mg
    18aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4, 6-Triene-3, 20-Dione 15mg
    per 3ml 40 servings so you could also take 120 1ml servings
    Here is P-BOLD^

    Would it be better to take 1ml 3 times a day? Yes IMO it would be. Will more people stick to the program if dosed once per day? Absolutely.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    I guess I'm curious from what changes have been made that would make it so that it would be effective at a once a day dose, as this is whats recommended on the label, that's all. Would be cool if the formulator could weigh in.

    The only reason I mentioned the dose is that I found it interesting that the recommended for the new P-Bold was below the minimum recommended by the Taurus version of P-Bold. Had the efficiency been improved? How is the 24 hour release achieved?

    The idea here is time release. P-Bold much like Bulk-Up uses CP+R Once a Day technology (this article was written for Bulk-Up but applies to the rest as well).
    Being a cyclodextrin solution you get the immediate blood saturation and it is followed by a time release for the rest of the day.

    This should also answer any questions one would have about it only being a 3ml dose. The CP+R technology also enhances the absorption of prohormones and helps them bypass the stomach and liver. Taurus' version did not have this, which is why people were dosing it so "high."
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    The idea here is time release. P-Bold much like Bulk-Up uses CP+R Once a Day technology (this article was written for Bulk-Up but applies to the rest as well).
    Being a cyclodextrin solution you get the immediate blood saturation and it is followed by a time release for the rest of the day.

    This should also answer any questions one would have about it only being a 3ml dose. The CP+R technology also enhances the absorption of prohormones and helps them bypass the stomach and liver. Taurus' version did not have this, which is why people were dosing it so "high."

    good information fl3x....also makes it much easier for ppl who don't want to carry their whole supplement stash around with them all day
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    good information fl3x....also makes it much easier for ppl who don't want to carry their whole supplement stash around with them all day
    This is cool. A once a day ph/ds stack would be amazing, especially if it could have an effective dose in a single pill. 60 pills, 60 days plus cycle support and pct would be astounding.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by NonyaBidness View Post
    This is cool. A once a day ph/ds stack would be amazing, especially if it could have an effective dose in a single pill. 60 pills, 60 days plus cycle support and pct would be astounding.

    Well all in one pill is a little tough to do with our CR+P absorption system but both BULK-UP and P-BOLD are once a day dosing!



  23. Thanks FL3X , I wasn't sure if it was just that or there was some esters or some thing else going on. I can't say I'm convinced yet, but I'll be following the logs once they kick off. Do you know if the loggers will be using the 3ml once a day or going for a higher dose. I hope this can perform as multi dosing is a pain!

    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    The idea here is time release. P-Bold much like Bulk-Up uses CP+R Once a Day technology (this article was written for Bulk-Up but applies to the rest as well).
    Being a cyclodextrin solution you get the immediate blood saturation and it is followed by a time release for the rest of the day.

    This should also answer any questions one would have about it only being a 3ml dose. The CP+R technology also enhances the absorption of prohormones and helps them bypass the stomach and liver. Taurus' version did not have this, which is why people were dosing it so "high."

  24. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Thanks FL3X , I wasn't sure if it was just that or there was some esters or some thing else going on. I can't say I'm convinced yet, but I'll be following the logs once they kick off. Do you know if the loggers will be using the 3ml once a day or going for a higher dose. I hope this can perform as multi dosing is a pain!
    Being skeptic can be a prudent thing in our industry. I do not blame you. I am sure the logs and time will show P-BOLDS merits. Time will tell all.



  25. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Thanks FL3X , I wasn't sure if it was just that or there was some esters or some thing else going on. I can't say I'm convinced yet, but I'll be following the logs once they kick off. Do you know if the loggers will be using the 3ml once a day or going for a higher dose. I hope this can perform as multi dosing is a pain!
    Cool man, thanks for sticking around, hopefully these logs turn you on to our stuff

    I believe the loggers are half expected to stick with the dosing protocol, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing a log where someone did it differently.

    My main concern with users splitting up the dosage is they wouldn't get the full effects.
    One of the theories behind the once a day dosing is to give the body a rest, or a break, from the hormones if you will, allowing a short period of time for HPTA stimulation and to avoid a 24 hour suppression.
    What that means is basically an easier recovery in PCT. You'll make gains on cycle while not completely suppressing natural hormone production.
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