CP+R questions?

[Ape McGrapes]

All bull**** and personal opinions aside, I would like some questions answered; honestly.


The androseries were the first to create these Super DHEA products, with the advanced carriers. They were considered the industry standard and the cream of the crop. We will use it for comparision.

Another competitor held in high regards and known for quality is FRL.

The 2734mg of carrier in the Androseries contains only the ingredients utilized to increase bioavailability of these products.

FRL's Alphaseries has 1660.5mg of just carrier. Less, but it is considered stronger and superior.

The 2844mg of carrier in Bulk-Up contains a carrier, and then what appears to be a multi vatiamin

Why a multivitamin? What does this add for bioavailability?

The carrier contains Aspartic Acid. The studies for D-apartic acid were done at 3.12g. This is considered the standard dose and anything less is pointless.

Let's say out of the 2844mg there is 1.56g(1,506mg) of aspartic acid. That leaves 1248mg of carrier. Factor in the multivitamin, and how much are we left with?
Can you explain how this is enough for the absorbtion of these hormones?
How can this lower carrier ammount compare to your competitors?


Now for your raws: How theroughly do you test them? What proof can you provide? Is there a COA for every batch?

Thank you,

Ape

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Your questions have been forwarded on.

The logic for d-apsartic acid makes sense, but this isn't d-aspartic acid, it's aspartic acid. It is meant to prevent fatigue and keep the mind sharp.
The dosage for this is much less. I would guess there isn't more than 500mg.

[Ape McGrapes]

That is fair. I just don't see the reasoning behind all the added crap. I'm in no way saying these products dont work, or arn't effective but have my concerns. I posed recent concerns to FRL recently even with their great reputation.

I appreciate you forwarding this o..

[SynergyIre]

In for more information

[Androfactory]

Let me address each question for you.

We are often compared to Primordial Performances AndroSeries as we were partners in developing the company as a whole before ANDRO FACTORY was created. There are many similarities in the products but also many differences.

" The 2734mg of carrier in the Androseries contains only the ingredients utilized to increase bioavailability of these products.

FRL's Alphaseries has 1660.5mg of just carrier. Less, but it is considered stronger and superior.

The 2844mg of carrier in Bulk-Up contains a carrier, and then what appears to be a multi vatiamin

Why a multivitamin? What does this add for bioavailability?"

Answer* The additional ingredients that were added to the previously formulated transport system is Organic Maca and Tocomin SupraBio. (something you might recognize in PP's Toco). These added ingredients are designed to support "Cycle Protection & Muscle Recovery" CP+R not aid in being more bio-available. The bio-availability is nearly the same as the AndroSeries as we consulted the same formulator, yet minor improvements were made.

Please see our Articles

Cycle Protection and Recovery
Hair Loss Prevention
Once-A-Day Technology

An additional note I would like to add is that with much respect to other companies and their products BULK-UP by ANDRO FACTORY has 456 mg of Prohomones where Forerunner has 30 mg.... it is not considered stronger or superior; quiet the opposite actually.

"Let's say out of the 2844mg there is 1.56g(1,506mg) of aspartic acid. That leaves 1248mg of carrier. Factor in the multivitamin, and how much are we left with?
Can you explain how this is enough for the absorbtion of these hormones?
How can this lower carrier ammount compare to your competitors?"

Answer* We can not disclose our Proprietary blend. But I can state very clearly the the logging, testing and results found by ANDRO FACTORY biochemist/ formulators shows that using nearly 15% less actives than the V3 ANDROSERIES shows to have equivalent results in Muscle Gains and the Carrier is adjusted appropriately to support the 15% less actives. The added in Organic Maca and Tocomin Suprabio is appropriate for the desired results with CP+R.

I can not tell you what our competitors are doing in their formulations but I can tell you a great deal of lab time and testing was done in the creation of BULK-UP and The Gorilla Series. We consider our product line the only choice for Safe-Strong-Legal prohormones with DHEA and Testosterone precursors.

"Now for your raws: How theroughly do you test them? What proof can you provide? Is there a COA for every batch?"

Answer* Yes, every ingredient is tested with every batch. EVERY ingredient. We pride ourselves on using the largest, GMP regulated and well known/ respected facilities. We out source the manufacturing process to a multi billion dollar establishment to ensure beyond a shadow of a doute that everything is GMP & tested and yes of course we keep C of A's as that is regulated by the FDA and necessary to be GMP compliant.

Thank you for taking the time to ask they questions, we look forward to continuing to provide you with the products that you love.

-AF

All bull**** and personal opinions aside, I would like some questions answered; honestly.




The androseries were the first to create these Super DHEA products, with the advanced carriers. They were considered the industry standard and the cream of the crop. We will use it for comparision.

Another competitor held in high regards and known for quality is FRL.

The 2734mg of carrier in the Androseries contains only the ingredients utilized to increase bioavailability of these products.

FRL's Alphaseries has 1660.5mg of just carrier. Less, but it is considered stronger and superior.

The 2844mg of carrier in Bulk-Up contains a carrier, and then what appears to be a multi vatiamin

Why a multivitamin? What does this add for bioavailability?

The carrier contains Aspartic Acid. The studies for D-apartic acid were done at 3.12g. This is considered the standard dose and anything less is pointless.

Let's say out of the 2844mg there is 1.56g(1,506mg) of aspartic acid. That leaves 1248mg of carrier. Factor in the multivitamin, and how much are we left with?
Can you explain how this is enough for the absorbtion of these hormones?
How can this lower carrier ammount compare to your competitors?


Now for your raws: How theroughly do you test them? What proof can you provide? Is there a COA for every batch?

Thank you,

Ape

[SynergyIre]

Can you please comment on how the carrier and CP+R is different in P-BOLD, what allows you to get better results on a smaller dose and allows for a 24 hour timed release?

[g0hardorgohom]

How long until you release an epiandrosterone product?

6-8 weeks.

[Androfactory]

The dose is stronger in P-BOLD than previosly. We have also, added in the CP+R for Cycle Protection and Muscle Recovery. Please check out out articles.

Thanks

-AF

Can you please comment on how the carrier and CP+R is different in P-BOLD, what allows you to get better results on a smaller dose and allows for a 24 hour timed release?

[SynergyIre]

The amount of actives in the recommended dose are lower then the old version, which is why I'm asking exactly how are you making it stronger. I've read that article on CP+R already. It only talks about the CP+R in the gorilla series. As far as I can see, the only thing added to the CP+R in P-BOLD to increase it's absorption is Cyclodextrin, yes?

The dose is stronger in P-BOLD than previosly. We have also, added in the CP+R for Cycle Protection and Muscle Recovery. Please check out out articles.

Thanks

-AF

[g0hardorgohom]

The amount of actives in the recommended dose are lower then the old version, which is why I'm asking exactly how are you making it stronger. I've read that article on CP+R already. It only talks about the CP+R in the gorilla series. As far as I can see, the only thing added to the CP+R in P-BOLD to increase it's absorption is Cyclodextrin, yes?

You shouldn't underestimate cyclodextrin, it's what makes the delivery system superior compared to standard oral delivery.

[SynergyIre]

You shouldn't underestimate cyclodextrin, it's what makes the delivery system superior compared to standard oral delivery.

I don't underestimate it, just that it was in the old P-BOLD. I'm trying to find the difference in the formula that makes up for the new claims made. The fact that getting some to explain this seems to be challenging is a bit worrying .

[Androfactory]

I hope to see the new run in 8 weeks. The full ANDRO FACTORY Series!

Lean-Cut
Muscle-UP
Focus
and of course BULK-UP (still in stock)

How long until you release an epiandrosterone product?

[Androfactory]

The difference in P-BOLD is it has more actives (stronger) and CP+R.

I don't underestimate it, just that it was in the old P-BOLD. I'm trying to find the difference in the formula that makes up for the new claims made. The fact that getting some to explain this seems to be challenging is a bit worrying .

[JD261985]

The difference in P-BOLD is it has more actives (stronger) and CP+R.

He's asking about the one a day technology. What specific ingredients allows for superior absorption compared to other products like primordial performance. I can understand not giving out information like that in the sense that it may be a specific blend and androfactory would rather not disclose that information. However if that is the case you are left to deal with skeptical people who might choose another company that is more open and honest with their ingredient list. Androfactory along with most companies is a business first, so customers obviously have to deal with the fact that companies will make false claims. Eventually bad products get exposed and companies lose business so we will See how p bold and other androfactory products play out. For now I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Ape McGrapes]

What is the point of the muscle recovery? Shouldn't the hormones be doing this already.

[SynergyIre]

The difference in P-BOLD is it has more actives (stronger) and CP+R.

Taurus P-BOLD contains:


Serving Size: 1ml
Servings Per Container: 120

Ingredients:
17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4-Diene-3,20-Dione 20mg
18aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4,6-Triene-3,20-Dione 5mg
Luteolin 2mg
Apocynin 1mg


or per 3ml dose


Serving Size: 3ml
Servings Per Container: 40

Ingredients:
17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4-Diene-3,20-Dione 60mg
18aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4,6-Triene-3,20-Dione 15mg
Luteolin 6mg
Apocynin 3mg


This is the same amount exactly as Andro Factory P-BOLD. I would assume you're talking about Progestin Complex when you're talking about 'actives' and you refer to the CP+R separately.

He's asking about the one a day technology. What specific ingredients allows for superior absorption compared to other products like primordial performance. I can understand not giving out information like that in the sense that it may be a specific blend and androfactory would rather not disclose that information. However if that is the case you are left to deal with skeptical people who might choose another company that is more open and honest with their ingredient list. Androfactory along with most companies is a business first, so customers obviously have to deal with the fact that companies will make false claims. Eventually bad products get exposed and companies lose business so we will See how p bold and other androfactory products play out. For now I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly what I'm asking and why. I'm not asking for your prop blend here, just what ingredients are providing these benefits and advantages claimed. I want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. I'm eagerly awaiting completed logs. Just wish I could get some straight up answers .

[JD261985]

Taurus P-BOLD contains:

Serving Size: 1ml
Servings Per Container: 120

Ingredients:
17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4-Diene-3,20-Dione 20mg
18aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4,6-Triene-3,20-Dione 5mg
Luteolin 2mg
Apocynin 1mg

or per 3ml dose

Serving Size: 3ml
Servings Per Container: 40

Ingredients:
17aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4-Diene-3,20-Dione 60mg
18aHydroxy-Pregna-1,4,6-Triene-3,20-Dione 15mg
Luteolin 6mg
Apocynin 3mg

This is the same amount exactly as Andro Factory P-BOLD. I would assume you're talking about Progestin Complex when you're talking about 'actives' and you refer to the CP+R separately.


Exactly what I'm asking and why. I'm not asking for your prop blend here, just what ingredients are providing these benefits and advantages claimed. I want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. I'm eagerly awaiting completed logs. Just wish I could get some straight up answers .

So when they say they increased the mg they aren't lying but pretty deceiving considering it equals out to exactly the same. Come on guys we aren't stupid, people are going to pick up on stuff like that. So I mean basically its the same as the Taurus with some added benefits. Let me go look at the cp r complex and what's in it compared to liqui vade from primordial. Primordial liqui vade says its carrier is equal to about an 8 oz glass of grape juice as far as an absorption equivalent

[Ape McGrapes]

Read the whole thread homie^^

[FL3X MAGNUM]

So when they say they increased the mg they aren't lying but pretty deceiving considering it equals out to exactly the same. Come on guys we aren't stupid, people are going to pick up on stuff like that. So I mean basically its the same as the Taurus with some added benefits. Let me go look at the cp r complex and what's in it compared to liqui vade from primordial. Primordial liqui vade says its carrier is equal to about an 8 oz glass of grape juice as far as an absorption equivalent

So are you going to log P-Bold then?
Forgive me for this but I burst out laughing when I read your post. Yelling at a company even though you claim you are going to use their supplements.
In all seriousness though I want to follow along if you decide to log.

[Androfactory]

Thanks for the questions and the thread you guys. When we began working with our biochemist that formulated the old (well loved) T-N version of P-BOLD he was quiet clear that is would be stronger and not because of the way the dose is described. I have forwarded this question to our biochemist to get a detailed response for you. Due to the holidays I would not expect a response until after Monday. But, I'll get it for you.

Thanks again

Happy Holidays!

-AF

So when they say they increased the mg they aren't lying but pretty deceiving considering it equals out to exactly the same. Come on guys we aren't stupid, people are going to pick up on stuff like that. So I mean basically its the same as the Taurus with some added benefits. Let me go look at the cp r complex and what's in it compared to liqui vade from primordial. Primordial liqui vade says its carrier is equal to about an 8 oz glass of grape juice as far as an absorption equivalent