which steriods would be good to help heal joints and tendons

[MarcusG]

Beez, that article has been all over the internet for years but I never managed to get the actual studies and sources for those numbers.

[brogers]

Beez, that article has been all over the internet for years but I never managed to get the actual studies and sources for those numbers.

Yes, I'd feel much better about it with some citations to medical literature. Considering Boldenone isn't used in medicine (?) I am somewhat skeptical.

[Beelzebub]

i'll start doing some digging to see for myself. you're right, that has been flying through the boards for a while now with little or no 'actual' validation except through personal experiences. i posted this a while ago, but it gives some credit to nandrolone, i'll find more though.

Steroids May Improve Tendon Repair After Surgery

Reuters Health

By Merritt McKinney

Thursday, July 1, 2004


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Anabolic steroids are against the rules for professional athletes, but preliminary research suggests that steroids may help repair a shoulder injury that affects many professional and weekend athletes.

In lab experiments using bioengineered tendons, researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found that tendons treated with an anabolic steroid were stronger than untreated tendons.

"In a highly experimental model, anabolic steroids do appear to improve the quality of rotator cuff tendon tissue," lead author Dr. Spero G. Karas told Reuters Health.

Most likely, steroids help by improving protein production in each tendon cell or by boosting the way tendon cells communicate with each other, Karas said.

But don't expect doctors to start prescribing anabolic steroids to people who have rotator cuff surgery any time soon. Karas cautioned that much more testing needs to be done.

"If enough testing can conclude that this treatment is effective, then of course we could attempt it in humans with difficult rotator cuff injuries," Karas said.

The rotator cuff is made up of the muscles and tendons that hold the upper arm bone to the shoulder. When the rotator cuff is injured, surgery may be performed to repair it. Unfortunately, healing after surgery is often incomplete and many people experience repeat rotator cuff injuries.

Anabolic steroids are known to build muscle mass and boost strength, so Karas and his colleagues set out to see whether steroids might improve rotator cuff healing.

The research involved bioengineered tendons developed by co-author Dr. Albert J. Banes. The researchers collected tendon samples from six people who were having rotator cuff surgery. Cells from these tendons were isolated and used to grow the bioengineered tendons.

Some of these tendons were treated with the anabolic steroid nandrolone decanoate, while others were not. Some tendons were also subjected to load testing, in which the tendons were stretched.

Tendons that had been treated with steroids and subjected to loading were stronger, denser and more elastic than other tendons, the researchers report in the American Journal of Sports Medicine. The steroid-treated tendons also had a more natural appearance than other tendons.

The research will not have an immediate impact on the treatment of rotator cuff injuries, but the research establishes a way to test the effect of mechanical stress and medications on tendon cells, Karas said.

"Any drug can be tested, but we chose an anabolic agent because of its successful background in treating patients with burns and other injuries," Karas said.

Another potential implication of the research, according to Karas, is that it "may permit us to manufacture a matrix of tissue that can be used to replace deficient human tissues."

Karas noted, "We are only in the embryonic phases of this work. We are a long way off, but the potential is exciting."

SOURCE: American Journal of Sports Medicine, June 2004.

[MarcusG]

The thing about the article which bugs me is that it said test reduces collagen synthesis by 50%. I never managed to find the source of that claim.

[glenihan]

adequan

[Popa Murph]

Has anyone done a full cycle of aflutop or Quan? If so any sides at all what so ever? I've seen some great reveiws on the stuff but no one has any sides at all, negative sides anyway, that just makes me wonder why the FDA hasn't approved them for human use..

[Grunt76]

Has anyone done a full cycle of aflutop or Quan? If so any sides at all what so ever? I've seen some great reveiws on the stuff but no one has any sides at all, negative sides anyway, that just makes me wonder why the FDA hasn't approved them for human use..

Because pharma companies have more PROFITABLE products out there and ESPECIALLY in the pipeline... How many billions got made from that product that got pulled for the slight inconvenience of killing people?

[Max32]

I know aflutop is IM inj, but does one need to inj into the problematic areas?

[vrykolaka]

I have a persistent elbow injury that has to be tendon related.

As it is I can barely move it and had to stop working out. My doctor is on vacation and his replacement took an x-ray and determined it to be inflammation. Nothing seems to help, though. So any information on aflutop would be greatly appreciated.

[tattoopierced1]

I know aflutop is IM inj, but does one need to inj into the problematic areas?

Not the IM version. If you get the IA version you do though. Better just to use the IM version.

[Grunt76]

I have a persistent elbow injury that has to be tendon related.

As it is I can barely move it and had to stop working out. My doctor is on vacation and his replacement took an x-ray and determined it to be inflammation. Nothing seems to help, though. So any information on aflutop would be greatly appreciated.

Aflutop might be good for that, but try devil's claw root, it's a great natural anti-inflammatory that will probably change your life man. I know it did mine. NOW makes it, others do too. I use Kalyx's liquid extract.

[Grunt76]

Not the IM version. If you get the IA version you do though. Better just to use the IM version.

Methinks you are talking about Adequan? Is there an IM version of Aflutop?

[vrykolaka]

Aflutop might be good for that, but try devil's claw root, it's a great natural anti-inflammatory that will probably change your life man. I know it did mine. NOW makes it, others do too. I use Kalyx's liquid extract.

I'll look that up, thanks!

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I see deca and anavar help with tendons but does anyone have any idea about m4ohn or mdien. they are both nandrolone derivatives, I believe. is the action of repairing tendons the same?

[-2z-]

I see deca and anavar help with tendons but does anyone have any idea about m4ohn or mdien. they are both nandrolone derivatives, I believe. is the action of repairing tendons the same?

That's a good question.
I know Cissus does great things for some injuries (esp. mine), but plenty of people would love to find a supplement that will
"...increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density..."

THIS would be an incredible selling "supplement" that would also make a lot of people's lives much easier.

Well...someone get to makin' this already!

[Grunt76]

I'll look that up, thanks!

Bump for feedback?

[vrykolaka]

Been taking Devil's Claw root for two weeks and am attempting my first workout tomorrow.

So far so good...elbow feels a lot better. I *finally* got cleared for an M.R.I. on the elbow, which I'll probably still do.

For anti-inflammatory, it's working great. My ankle problem is gone! Thanks again for the suggestion.

[Grunt76]

Glad to hear I could be useful! I wonder how that would stack with cissus now...

Hey vrykolaka, return to training slowly man, this stuff works good but it takes time and sometimes even if you have no pain at rest, after weights it feels terrible. So take it slow and that root will be able to work its magic.

[vrykolaka]

Glad to hear I could be useful! I wonder how that would stack with cissus now...

Hey vrykolaka, return to training slowly man, this stuff works good but it takes time and sometimes even if you have no pain at rest, after weights it feels terrible. So take it slow and that root will be able to work its magic.

I was wondering that as well. Do you think there'd be any problem stacking them? From what I understand, Cissus has a mild anti-inflammatory effect, whereas this seems more pronounced. Thanks for the points as well, apparently I can't yet return the favor.

I took it easy today and didn't do anything that directly put pressure on it yet, like flat bench or any tricep motions.

Mostly squats and deadlifts with some bicep curls thrown in, just testing it out at light weights.

I'll definitely take your advice and take it easy...never want to go this long without lifting again!


Anyone else with tendon problems, you should really check this stuff out.

[fruciano90]

I have a few questions I tore some cartilage in my shoulder and I'm trying to heal it up as fast as
possible so what would be my ubest bet hgh or deca, or anavar? Any help would be appreciated!