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    Is anything in the formulas other than the Aneurin DBE that's time released?

    In your opinion, what is the SECOND most powerful ingredient in SX contributing to the prolonged "feel good" sensation the product delivers?

    I'm thinking that Ginseng root 80% extract. But you've also got the cocoa, aminoslim, acai berry, aniracetam, etc.. I'm just curious if you've used the ginseng root extract or other ingredients in isolation?

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    The capsules are actually packed for a specific time-released manner, so yes, there's other things that are time-released than just ADBE: everything else.
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    What he said, but I just want to say this... "Yes I have tried it and the stuff works amazingly well!!"
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    Good to know. I especially like the time-released anti-oxidants/ginseng. I'll share my initial experience (I do NOT recommend this).

    Got the sample pack. Since I've used copious amounts of E/C daily for the past 15 years I downed all 3 at about 3-3:30AM (early riser). 90 minutes later... not much. So I reverted to my two usual rounds of ephedrine + caffeine in amounts I'm not even going to post. Even added a dash of YHCL and my usual nicotine gum throughout the day.

    Now, normal E/C/Y surge/comedown happens right on schedule. What amazed me was the SX was still going strong around 9PM. Didn't fall asleep until 3AM. Only got about 4 hours of sleep, popped a single SX the next morning and I swear... didn't feel the sleep deficit.

    Please note I do NOT recommend this and fully acknowledge I have a tolerance level that's absurd. Be careful with SX. Start with ONE and be aware it sneaks up on you, gives a nice focused energy and smooth comedown.

    Absolutely fantastic product.

    I'm just real curious about the ginseng as I hadn't seen an extraction level that high prior for ginsenosides.
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    [QUOTE= Since I've used copious amounts of E/C daily for the past 15 years [/QUOTE]

    I'm sure you know this, but I figured I should share incase you don't. The reason you have such a high tolerance is because your beta receptors are clogged up and no longer sensitive? E/C should be cycled on/off for equal amounts of time. Usually no more than 2 weeks. Supplementing with an anti-histamine will but you a little more time. I'm not sure if your adrenals are just fried all the way now, after years of abuse, or if you could still reset them. You can try taking a break of a few weeks and you can give Reset AD a try. They carry it at Nutraplanet. Sorry if I am giving you useless info, but if it does not help you maybe it will help somebody else that reads it.
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    Well aware of that but appreciate the info/understand your intent. I've considered reset AD prior but maybe I'll take another look at it..
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    I've never used E/C, but have extensive experience with multiple consecutive months and dosage patterns for StimulantX. After a while, I did get used to it, and my tolerance was and is exceedingly high. I did a bottle of ResetAD, and it did help just a tad. But in the end, it was time off from any and all stimulants that helped me the most. When doing something as harsh as E/C, you really do need to be careful. When the body starts to adapt, it's not always a good thing. Desensitivity to products like those fatigues the adrenal gland and could, after long-term misuse, burn it out.

    Your initial experiment was definitely a learning experience. And as I always say, the only bad experiences are ones that we do not learn from. You've learned, and shared, which makes this experience all the richer. Best of luck with the SX!
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    Hey i have a serious question about what i believe is in slim xtreme, but i dont want to get banned. I do a lot of research about different substances, and have quite a bit of experience with substances, so i dont feel im completely out of line in asking this. My assumption is based on personal experience with SX and with the substance i think is in it,and the identical feeling both seem to produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skatorb69 View Post
    Hey i have a serious question about what i believe is in slim xtreme, but i dont want to get banned. I do a lot of research about different substances, and have quite a bit of experience with substances, so i dont feel im completely out of line in asking this. My assumption is based on personal experience with SX and with the substance i think is in it,and the identical feeling both seem to produce.
    Speed? Amphetamines? Some sort of ADHD medication? Don't worry, we've been asked those before. No, they aren't in there. On another forum, a user - who is often associated with a ***** company - tried SX and thought it was amphetamines. He's a real doc and had quick access to a blood lab, so he had his blood tested. Negative, just as we already knew. (Still, his review for SX was absolutely stellar!)

    Regardless of what you think is in there, we understand where you are coming from. SX works. It does what it says, and it is so vastly unique that a lot of people just can not believe it. Words don't even describe the feeling of it, which I'm sure you know after just one day on it. I guess it's just one of those rare and incredible occasions where a supplement contains exactly what it says, does exactly what it is advertised to do, and works as it should. Sounds novel, don't it? It's understandable that people don't buy the hype...until they get a sample and know it for themselves.

    By all means, ask away with your question. I doubt you'd get banned for it. And if you are leary, just send me a PM or email and I'll be glad to answer ya. I may pose the question in this thread, just to get the information out there, but won't place any negative light on you at all. We appreciate the interest and hope you are enjoying SX!!

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    I'm finally at the point where I can take 1 or 2 early in the day and fall asleep at night, no problem. I was rotating e/c and SX on alternate days and that's where the SX kept me up.

    So yes, when AX says that your sleep patterns will eventually normalize...they will. Just need to work with it a little. Still loving this product and very impressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    I'm finally at the point where I can take 1 or 2 early in the day and fall asleep at night, no problem. I was rotating e/c and SX on alternate days and that's where the SX kept me up.

    So yes, when AX says that your sleep patterns will eventually normalize...they will. Just need to work with it a little. Still loving this product and very impressed.
    How many days did it take for you to get to this point?
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    Well to be honest i have a used Piperazines (not sure if any of you are familiar) quite a few times (which i dont have a problem with, it is OUR choice what we put in our bodies, not some over weight gov't stooge) But to be honest the feeling of SX is exactly the same feeling as piperazines for me. And yes even if there was any type of piperazine in this product, you are telling the truth because most of them are completely legal, and no they are not amphetamines or any type of illegal drug for that matter, but they do act very similar. But i dont want anyone to think im trying to accuse anyone or comedown on them. Because piperazines are to amphetamines what prohormones are to steroids in a round about way.

    increased euphoria & alertness
    Increased sociability
    cardiovascular effects - increased heart rate and blood pressure
    Increased body temperature
    reduced appetite
    respiratory depression
    dehydration
    Sore throat
    dilated pupils
    sweating
    jaw clenching

    The list above are all effects i have seen people mention in regards to SX (and i have experienced most of them too.) They also happen to be the same list of "side effects" of certain piperazines, i actaully copy and pasted the above list from a piperazine info page,that had nothing to do with SX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skatorb69 View Post
    Well to be honest i have a used Piperazines (not sure if any of you are familiar) quite a few times (which i dont have a problem with, it is OUR choice what we put in our bodies, not some over weight gov't stooge) But to be honest the feeling of SX is exactly the same feeling as piperazines for me. And yes even if there was any type of piperazine in this product, you are telling the truth because most of them are completely legal, and no they are not amphetamines or any type of illegal drug for that matter, but they do act very similar. But i dont want anyone to think im trying to accuse anyone or comedown on them. Because piperazines are to amphetamines what prohormones are to steroids in a round about way.

    increased euphoria & alertness
    Increased sociability
    cardiovascular effects - increased heart rate and blood pressure
    Increased body temperature
    reduced appetite
    respiratory depression
    dehydration
    Sore throat
    dilated pupils
    sweating
    jaw clenching

    The list above are all effects i have seen people mention in regards to SX (and i have experienced most of them too.) They also happen to be the same list of "side effects" of certain piperazines, i actaully copy and pasted the above list from a piperazine info page,that had nothing to do with SX.
    Viagra? Worm pills?

    Piperazine's are a broad class of chemicals (any chemical with a piperazine ring in it). You're going to need a benzene ring in there to make it psychoactive. Many of the symptoms listed there are simply due to taking too much of a stimulant, and going into a manic state.

    I believe benzylpiperazine used to be in diet pills way back when; however, it is no longer a substance that is used (FDA banned 'em) nor is it found in the SX ingredient profile.
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    Sorry i didnt clarify, but ya i was refering to bzp, and the rest of the related piperazines (i.e. tmfpp,meopp,mcpp,meopp.) Bzp, is the only one with a benzene ring,the others listed dont have a benzene ring and are psychoactive without it,and they are all completely legal in the U.S. except bzp,like you mentioned. They also produce most of the same effects as bzp.
    Thats why i was wondering, because it wouldn't be breaking the law or anything if it did contain one of those, so dont get me wrong i wasn't trying to allude that there was something illegal in it by any means. The sides i have been getting from the SX were identical to what i have experienced with the pipes,and the capsule powder had a similar taste, so it just got me thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skatorb69 View Post
    Sorry i didnt clarify, but ya i was refering to bzp, and the rest of the related piperazines (i.e. tmfpp,meopp,mcpp,meopp.) Bzp, is the only one with a benzene ring,the others listed dont have a benzene ring and are psychoactive without it,and they are all completely legal in the U.S. except bzp,like you mentioned. They also produce most of the same effects as bzp.
    Thats why i was wondering, because it wouldn't be breaking the law or anything if it did contain one of those, so dont get me wrong i wasn't trying to allude that there was something illegal in it by any means. The sides i have been getting from the SX were identical to what i have experienced with the pipes,and the capsule powder had a similar taste, so it just got me thinking.
    Phenyl groups are benzene rings with a carbon linking it to the rest of a compound. The benzene ring is needed for these to go through similar routes as phenylethylamine's.

    These are certainly an interesting class of drugs, and they have affinities for all the same receptors. I don't know what the binding affinity would be, as compared to others. I don't know if they constitute as supplements, though. Either way, I can see one of those being a ticking time bomb, with regards to an FDA ban.

    Looking at some of these compounds, I'd have to imagine you could seriously start tripping balls if you dosed it high enough.

    Exercising alongside pink elephants and orange midget giraffes would definitely be the most clutch thing ever, but would certainly make for some huge liability issues.

    Although, I have to admit, I'm still surprised at the few supplements out there, using Acacia extracts. It's an herb that grows in Texas and Mexico, which contains prettymuch every PEA there is. Naturally, this means methamphetamine, amphetamine, and mescaline. I really don't know how it's not banned.
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    About 2 weeks of consistent use. Longer than I anticipated...

    Did a little experiment yesterday. Took the day off of SX and just went with EC. Definately didn't feel as good, particularly later in the day. Took 2 SX this AM so I'll report back later tomorrow. If I have difficultly falling asleep tonight... that's a good thing in my mind. Tells me tolerance can be "un-done" fairly rapidly. If not.. I'll go to 2 days off SX and work from there. I'm thinking 5 on/2 off may be ideal but we'll see..
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    Quote Originally Posted by skatorb69 View Post
    Well to be honest i have a used Piperazines (not sure if any of you are familiar) quite a few times (which i dont have a problem with, it is OUR choice what we put in our bodies, not some over weight gov't stooge) But to be honest the feeling of SX is exactly the same feeling as piperazines for me. And yes even if there was any type of piperazine in this product, you are telling the truth because most of them are completely legal, and no they are not amphetamines or any type of illegal drug for that matter, but they do act very similar. But i dont want anyone to think im trying to accuse anyone or comedown on them. Because piperazines are to amphetamines what prohormones are to steroids in a round about way.

    increased euphoria & alertness
    Increased sociability
    cardiovascular effects - increased heart rate and blood pressure
    Increased body temperature
    reduced appetite
    respiratory depression
    dehydration
    Sore throat
    dilated pupils
    sweating
    jaw clenching

    The list above are all effects i have seen people mention in regards to SX (and i have experienced most of them too.) They also happen to be the same list of "side effects" of certain piperazines, i actaully copy and pasted the above list from a piperazine info page,that had nothing to do with SX.
    sweating, raised body temp..and appetite spupression is the what SX does. excellent product. did 2 bottles since april. scary at first..biggest thing was the jaw clenching/toungue bitting..id chew 2 packs of trident a day. best app. supp. EVER!!! i learned if ya wanna sleep ( do not consume additional caff) i love it. will buy more after i take abreak for another 4-6wks.
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    At 2 caps I felt fantastic yesterday. This is my sweet spot. No problems falling asleep...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    At 2 caps I felt fantastic yesterday. This is my sweet spot. No problems falling asleep...
    Glad to hear it, man.
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    Additional question: OK so your instructions are "As a supplement begin by taking one capsule first thing in the morning on an empty stomach for first 2 days before progressing to one to three capsules one to two times daily."

    Is this for a 150 lb person, 200 lb person etc? I mean if this stuff is so potent (don't worry I'm buying some) I'd like to have SOME idea of what the dosage should be. I'm 6'205 so I'm not worried with taking 1 pill and adjusting.

    BUT...

    What about a woman who is 5'3 and 130? Can the pills be halved? Or can the contents removed be halved?

    One of my biggest issues with all these supps is they use a generic dosage; quite a difference between a 200lb man, and a 130lb woman.

    Ideas? Thoughts? Feedback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny4753 View Post
    Additional question: OK so your instructions are "As a supplement begin by taking one capsule first thing in the morning on an empty stomach for first 2 days before progressing to one to three capsules one to two times daily."

    Is this for a 150 lb person, 200 lb person etc? I mean if this stuff is so potent (don't worry I'm buying some) I'd like to have SOME idea of what the dosage should be. I'm 6'205 so I'm not worried with taking 1 pill and adjusting.

    BUT...

    What about a woman who is 5'3 and 130? Can the pills be halved? Or can the contents removed be halved?

    One of my biggest issues with all these supps is they use a generic dosage; quite a difference between a 200lb man, and a 130lb woman.

    Ideas? Thoughts? Feedback?

    Thanks!
    With a stimulant, receptor density varies tremendously, regardless of size. Naturally, it's sort of difficult to recommend less than one capsule, but if you are truly concerned with taking 1 capsule, halving them has been done before.

    People have broken open capsules, split the contents in half with a kitchen knife or razor blade, and consumed the halves suspended in water. Not for the sensitive tastebuds, but it can be done.
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    My wife has taken slim xtreme for three weeks now. She says first two weeks if was the most awesome things ever, the mood elevation, appetite elimination, and energy. Now on she is on the end of week three, and she says she is started to lose the effects she thinks, because she takes 1 cap @ 6 am by noon she is starving. Before she said she wouldnt be hungry at all till like 9 at night. The energy has decreased a lil too. So what is she to do? Add one more cap? Take the booster? Add lean fx? We would appreciate the help guys! Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jart45 View Post
    My wife has taken slim xtreme for three weeks now. She says first two weeks if was the most awesome things ever, the mood elevation, appetite elimination, and energy. Now on she is on the end of week three, and she says she is started to lose the effects she thinks, because she takes 1 cap @ 6 am by noon she is starving. Before she said she wouldnt be hungry at all till like 9 at night. The energy has decreased a lil too. So what is she to do? Add one more cap? Take the booster? Add lean fx? We would appreciate the help guys! Thanks.
    How much has her diet decreased since starting?

    If it is like that of most, she has been starving herself for approximately 3 weeks now, and the accumulating calorie deficit has gotten to the point where SX is no longer able to mask the effects.

    She can keep increasing the dosage or stacking, but what is this going to accomplish other than more this needed for maintenance? The other option would just be to eat something. Take the weekend off. Sleep in. Go out for some spaghetti - and perhaps replenish all the glycogen she's lacking.

    Stimulants work by barreling through glycogen stores, which leads to a higher rate of burning fat for energy. Couple this with eating significantly less food, it appears SX sucks a person's glycogen stores dry at an alarming rate. What ends up happening is just what your wife seems to be experiencing, the little food that you do eat provides enough glycogen to last for only part of the day - after that point your energy goes down and you become very hungry. It's not that SX is losing it's effects, but rather your body doesn't provide the fuel for it to work. You're driving a car with one gallon left in the tank, as opposed to a full gas tank - and upgraded the engine for a V-10.
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    Thanks. That was awesome information. I am very interested in the science behind things since my wife and I havent been doing this too long, especially the supplement thing. Oh yea by the way did I mention she was stacking SX with glycobol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    How much has her diet decreased since starting?

    If it is like that of most, she has been starving herself for approximately 3 weeks now, and the accumulating calorie deficit has gotten to the point where SX is no longer able to mask the effects.

    She can keep increasing the dosage or stacking, but what is this going to accomplish other than more this needed for maintenance? The other option would just be to eat something. Take the weekend off. Sleep in. Go out for some spaghetti - and perhaps replenish all the glycogen she's lacking.

    Stimulants work by barreling through glycogen stores, which leads to a higher rate of burning fat for energy. Couple this with eating significantly less food, it appears SX sucks a person's glycogen stores dry at an alarming rate. What ends up happening is just what your wife seems to be experiencing, the little food that you do eat provides enough glycogen to last for only part of the day - after that point your energy goes down and you become very hungry. It's not that SX is losing it's effects, but rather your body doesn't provide the fuel for it to work. You're driving a car with one gallon left in the tank, as opposed to a full gas tank - and upgraded the engine for a V-10.
    I think its much more likely that she's developed a tolerance to the drug. This happens with any stimulant, including caffeine. Remember the first time you drank coffee? even a cup would have most people bouncing off the walls. As you build a tolerance, you need much much more to be effective.

    This tolerance is due to the fact that caffeine is an adenosine receptor antagonist. Adenosine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter which plays a role in promoting sleep and inhibiting arousal. Continued use will significantly increase the number of adenosine receptors making the user much more sensitive to adenosine. So if you stop taking caffeine, or decrease the dosage, you will be much more sensitive to adenosine...and suffer caffeine withdrawl.

    If it were due to glycogen depletion, the "loss of effects" would happen within a couple days or less. It wouldn't be after 3 weeks. She could bump her dosage up to 2 capsules and I bet many of the original effects would return. Another, more desirable option IMO, would be to take a break from the stuff for a few weeks and then try it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    I think its much more likely that she's developed a tolerance to the drug. This happens with any stimulant, including caffeine. Remember the first time you drank coffee? even a cup would have most people bouncing off the walls. As you build a tolerance, you need much much more to be effective.

    This tolerance is due to the fact that caffeine is an adenosine receptor antagonist. Adenosine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter which plays a role in promoting sleep and inhibiting arousal. Continued use will significantly increase the number of adenosine receptors making the user much more sensitive to adenosine. So if you stop taking caffeine, or decrease the dosage, you will be much more sensitive to adenosine...and suffer caffeine withdrawl.

    If it were due to glycogen depletion, the "loss of effects" would happen within a couple days or less. It wouldn't be after 3 weeks. She could bump her dosage up to 2 capsules and I bet many of the original effects would return. Another, more desirable option IMO, would be to take a break from the stuff for a few weeks and then try it again.
    What do caffeine withdrawals have to do with hunger? Increased sensitivity to adenosine will slower the conversion of dopamine to norepinephrine; thereby, jacking up dopamine levels - making you sleepy. Moreover, increased sensitivity to adenosine happens unformally, meaning it doesn't shorten the half-life of caffeine, it just takes more caffeine to get the same effect. After all, one capsule has less caffeine in it than your typical cup of coffee.

    I'm also not quite understanding where this glycogen depletion in 3 days is coming from. Generally, the body stores enough glycogen to last for 1-2 days. Glycogen is made from sugars being stored in the bloodstream. As stores begin to deplete, cortisol is released, making sugars from proteins to ease the lost rate of glycogen. Naturally, glycogen should function as an exponential decay, but this neglects a rather important variable: the times and quantities when the user does eat. This should be a piecewise/staircase function, operating on an unknown variable which would lengthen the duration before these effects are experienced and probably also explain why others can feel these exact same effects within their first week, or several weeks after. Lastly, this glycogen theory would be a more reasonable explanation as to why drinking simple sugars can barrel through the loss of effects early on in the day.

    It's definitely not just one thing that's causing the effects, but I don't believe caffeine to be what's topping the chart. Onset accumulation of adenosine is, however, a probable contributing culprit. After all, that is the byproduct of energy consumption. ATP eventually degrades to adenosine. In the event you are burning so many calories that you've lost into the double digits within your first two weeks, there's a lot of adenosine being formed.

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    Thanks. That was awesome information. I am very interested in the science behind things since my wife and I havent been doing this too long, especially the supplement thing. Oh yea by the way did I mention she was stacking SX with glycobol.
    Did she start both supplements at the same time? Glycobol works by lowering blood sugar (stores energy), which since I've been explaning stimulants work to increase bloodsugar (liberates energy), we're experiencing two counter-acting effects.
    I've had a few complaints about SX by people who were stacking with glycobol. Low blood sugar, with high levels of epinephrine/norepinephrine will make you feel tired, hungry, and incredibly grouchy.
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    yes she started the two together, as a recomp stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    What do caffeine withdrawals have to do with hunger? Increased sensitivity to adenosine will slower the conversion of dopamine to norepinephrine; thereby, jacking up dopamine levels - making you sleepy. Moreover, increased sensitivity to adenosine happens unformally, meaning it doesn't shorten the half-life of caffeine, it just takes more caffeine to get the same effect. After all, one capsule has less caffeine in it than your typical cup of coffee.
    I never correlated caffeine withdrawl with hunger...but caffeine itself is an appetite suppressant. As are pretty much any stimulant. And yea, when caffeine consumption is decreased or discontinued, increased hunger is quite common. As you develop tolerance to the drug, the anorectic effects dissipate as well. I thought that this was pretty well established. Not sure what that has to do with half life either.

    Additionally, there's a lot more to dopamine than making you sleepy. In fact, drugs that increase dopamine activity (amphetamine, cocaine, methylphenidate, etc) usually have the exact opposite effect. It is often coined the "reward neurotransmitter" and its activity is a major reason that many of these drugs cause the euphoria and addiction potential.

    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    I'm also not quite understanding where this glycogen depletion in 3 days is coming from. Generally, the body stores enough glycogen to last for 1-2 days. Glycogen is made from sugars being stored in the bloodstream. As stores begin to deplete, cortisol is released, making sugars from proteins to ease the lost rate of glycogen. Naturally, glycogen should function as an exponential decay, but this neglects a rather important variable: the times and quantities when the user does eat. This should be a piecewise/staircase function, operating on an unknown variable which would lengthen the duration before these effects are experienced and probably also explain why others can feel these exact same effects within their first week, or several weeks after. Lastly, this glycogen theory would be a more reasonable explanation as to why drinking simple sugars can barrel through the loss of effects early on in the day.
    I'm not sure where u got the 3 day figure, as I never said that in my post. Liver glycogen stores can be depleted almost entirely within a few hours of exercise. For someone in a calorie deficit, and exercising regularly, as most SX users on this board are...this will take much less time than the 3 weeks you mentioned earlier. Those that are using a low carb or zero carb diet will deplete glycogen stores extremely quickly. At this point, they will switch over to ketosis and use ketone bodies in place of glucose to fuel the brain.

    Glycogen is not stored in the bloodstream, as you stated above, its stored in the liver and skeletal muscle. The glycogen of concern in this discussion is that stored in the liver, as that stored in skeletal muscle is not really utilized for gluconeogenesis to supply other tissues. This is the job of liver glycogen. If the decreased effects of SX were due to liver glycogen depletion, it would happen much sooner than 3 weeks in.

    This loss of effects due to tolerance happens with any stimulant drug. I don't see why anyone would think that SX is different. It is the most logical explaination for what this user is experiencing. As one of my pathology instructors once said "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses...not zebras". In other words, the most likely explaination is usually the right one.

    Sure, some of the lethargy people are experiencing is probably due to low blood glucose...but hell, this happens when you're dieting no matter what you are taking. What was described above sounds much, much more like drug tolerance.

    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    It's definitely not just one thing that's causing the effects, but I don't believe caffeine to be what's topping the chart. Onset accumulation of adenosine is, however, a probable contributing culprit. After all, that is the byproduct of energy consumption. ATP eventually degrades to adenosine. In the event you are burning so many calories that you've lost into the double digits within your first two weeks, there's a lot of adenosine being formed.
    I don't believe its the caffeine either. Its whatever the main SX active is. I just used caffeine as an example.
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    Thanks again guys. She started basically eating alot more at the beginning of the day, she said she had to literally force herself too lol. Man I can tell a difference now she eating alot more she is bouncing off the walls lol. So my new question is how long does one stay on SX before cycling off for some time. Also she is thinking of taking lean fx with it how long should one cycle it. I have one more question but I'll keep it for later lol, its kinda long and I would like to pick your anabolicminds lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post

    I've had a few complaints about SX by people who were stacking with glycobol. Low blood sugar, with high levels of epinephrine/norepinephrine will make you feel tired, hungry, and incredibly grouchy.

    I just started SX and glycobol. Sounds like you don't like the two together? Should I stop the glycobol and wait until after SX is done? Or can I use it on off days/on days with lifting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jart45 View Post
    Thanks again guys. She started basically eating alot more at the beginning of the day, she said she had to literally force herself too lol. Man I can tell a difference now she eating alot more she is bouncing off the walls lol. So my new question is how long does one stay on SX before cycling off for some time. Also she is thinking of taking lean fx with it how long should one cycle it. I have one more question but I'll keep it for later lol, its kinda long and I would like to pick your anabolicminds lol.
    She should probably take a break at 3 months if she's dosing 7 days a week. There shouldn't be any tolerance build up, it's just good to take a break now and then. If she would like to run longer, she could always do 5 days on 2 days off.

    Stacking LFX with SX will def. add some benefits. Cortisol levels tend to rise when taking stims and LFX will counter this effect. Reducing cortisol will also help her to get more quality sleep. One thing though, caution should be taken when mixing LFX with birth control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpower View Post
    I just started SX and glycobol. Sounds like you don't like the two together? Should I stop the glycobol and wait until after SX is done? Or can I use it on off days/on days with lifting?

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    IMO, you should hold the G-bol for when you SX cycle is over.
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    I'm going to start Slim Xtreme next week and wondered about stacking it with Lean FX. I am on birth control and I noticed that you state to use caution because of this. Can you tell me why? Thanks!
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    Protestagens (i.e. progesterone) are a "fork in the road" substrate for the production of other hormones: estrone and cortisone. Estrone is (as the name should suggest) a type of estrogen. Cortisone (again, not really a surprise) is a precursor to cortisol. The actives in LeanFX as well as most effective anti-cortisol products work by inhibiting the conversion of cortisone to cortisol. When you take an exogenous protestagen (i.e. birth control), your progesterone levels will increase as a cumulative effect, and this will boil over to increase both estrogens and cortisol. Ever wonder why birth control sometimes makes girls gain weight?

    So if you start taking something that inhibits conversion to cortisol, it will lean you out, but it will also "back things up" along the metabolic pathway. The end result would be even more protestagens. There is definitely a drug interaction with this (or any anti-cortisol product). I would imagine that this would (much like taking with alcohol or grapefruit juice) increase the half-life of the drug and therefore increase its toxicity.
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    I'm going to start Slim Xtreme next week and wondered about stacking it with Lean FX. I am on birth control and I noticed that you state to use caution because of this. Can you tell me why? Thanks!
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    Thanks for the info. I would rather not take anything that can increase toxicity and I'm not planning to go off of birth control anytime soon. Is there something else I can stack with the Slim Xtreme that you would recommend? I'll be starting a new program on Monday and I'm used to just multivitamens and protein. I love the energy levels that I get on Stimulant X so I can't wait for the Slim Xtreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpower View Post
    I just started SX and glycobol. Sounds like you don't like the two together? Should I stop the glycobol and wait until after SX is done? Or can I use it on off days/on days with lifting?

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    glycobol can interfere with the stimulant, appetite suppression and mood effects.

    If you are cutting, perhaps save for carb-up days.
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