Saw Palmetto bad on cycle? WTF

**bobloblaw** · 10-21-2009 07:44 PM

I was reading this other thread about pct and it was brought up that Saw Palmetto is bad to use on cycle or at all since it might be hurtful to gains for certain compounds? im using cycle support on my next run. what the word on all this?

**andrew732** · 10-21-2009 08:02 PM

Very controversial, I would say do not abuse it while on any androgen that is a DHT derived compound, such as 5a reduced compounds, a little will not hurt.

**Rosie Chee** · 10-21-2009 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

I was reading this other thread about pct and it was brought up that Saw Palmetto is bad to use on cycle or at all since it might be hurtful to gains for certain compounds? im using cycle support on my next run. what the word on all this?

This information was specific to The ONE. If you are doing a cycle of The ONE then you should avoid Saw Palmetto, yes, and ensure that you have stopped using all products containing it at least two weeks prior to starting your cycle.

As far as other PHs and hormonals concerned, Saw Palmetto should be fine. However, always check with the manufacturers of any product that you wish to use for anything that you are unsure of re effects and interactions.

~Rosie
Team APPNUT

**Rodja** · 10-21-2009 10:15 PM

It's not specific to any compound, but it is advised for any compound that is highly androgenic. As already mentioned, 5a reduced compounds can cause prostatitis. The One and 1-Test (old school version) caused this to me after about 3 weeks of use.

BTW, love the Arrested Development reference.

**bobloblaw** · 10-22-2009 01:27 AM

well, damn my lack of research... i was ganna run cycle support with my run of 3-AD and massfx

but 3-AD has the 5a, and i got 2 tubs of cycle support.

**A_I_Sports_Nutrition** · 10-24-2009 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

well, damn my lack of research... i was ganna run cycle support with my run of 3-AD and massfx

but 3-AD has the 5a, and i got 2 tubs of cycle support.

Run the Cycle Support and use the Mass FX in pct.

**fst89lx** · 11-10-2009 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rodja

It's not specific to any compound, but it is advised for any compound that is highly androgenic. As already mentioned, 5a reduced compounds can cause prostatitis. The One and 1-Test (old school version) caused this to me after about 3 weeks of use.

BTW, love the Arrested Development reference.

So are you saying it could be a bad idea to use Cycle Support if someone were to say go on a 1-T / 4-AD cycle w/ a 2week M1T kickstart?

**A_I_Sports_Nutrition** · 11-10-2009 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by fst89lx

So are you saying it could be a bad idea to use Cycle Support if someone were to say go on a 1-T / 4-AD cycle w/ a 2week M1T kickstart?

You really need to have proper supports for that cycle no questions asked that could be a killer on BP

**Psychabinol** · 11-10-2009 07:47 PM

you should take saw palmetto with any steriod that can convert into DHT. This stuff is going to protect your prostate theoretically. At worst, it wont work, and at best it should reduce dht to some degree. And you want that. What more important, some muscle, or perhaps prostrate pain or possibly i would even say a greater increased risk of getting prostrate cancer.

**fst89lx** · 11-10-2009 08:00 PM

Oh yes absolutely I understand support supplements would be needed for that cycle (I have used support supps every time I've touched a ph)

I think I have had a slight brain lapse as I was reading rodja's post as meaning that using cycle support w/ 1t caused him prostatitis..

**andrew732** · 11-10-2009 11:07 PM

NO it does not!

**A_I_Sports_Nutrition** · 11-11-2009 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by fst89lx

Oh yes absolutely I understand support supplements would be needed for that cycle (I have used support supps every time I've touched a ph)

I think I have had a slight brain lapse as I was reading rodja's post as meaning that using cycle support w/ 1t caused him prostatitis..

Yes I think you may have misunderstood him.

**SonicSWOLE** · 11-11-2009 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by pembroke3355

Run the Cycle Support and use the Mass FX in pct.

I wouldn't do either. Mass FX should be no where near PCT.

**lonewolf0420** · 11-11-2009 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by SonicSWOLE

Mass FX should be no where near PCT.

why do you say that?

**SonicSWOLE** · 11-11-2009 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by lonewolf0420

why do you say that?

You want to restart you HPTA as quickly and efficacious as possible. You do not want to inhibit SHBG, and certainly do not want to increase AR agonists (ie. freeT, iicarrin, cnidium, DIM to name a few).

**lonewolf0420** · 11-11-2009 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by SonicSWOLE

You want to restart you HPTA as quickly and efficacious as possible. You do not want to inhibit SHBG, and certainly do not want to increase AR agonists (ie. freeT, iicarrin, cnidium, DIM to name a few).

Interesting.

I actually used It in my PCT for 3AD, awhile back. That's why I asked. I kept most of my gains.

**SonicSWOLE** · 11-12-2009 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by lonewolf0420

Interesting.

I actually used It in my PCT for 3AD, awhile back. That's why I asked. I kept most of my gains.

I know people who have not done a PCT at all and kept gains too(and I think we know better). There is more to it than that.

**A_I_Sports_Nutrition** · 11-12-2009 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by SonicSWOLE

I know people who have not done a PCT at all and kept gains too(and I think we know better). There is more to it than that.

The people who do no pct and get away with it are very lucky indeed.

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