I posted my upcoming Epistane cycle in the following thread. Regarding the PCT, I was under the impression that PCS had natural test properties and that the Cycle Support contributed to cortisol control when continued into the PCT phase of a cycle. Maybe I misunderstood some of the threads I researched, so could someone from AI provide some incite and give their thoughts on the PCT I have set up? Thanks in advance for any help.

PCS has the test boosting properties, but where was your research on the cortisol regarding Cycle Support?

Which ingredient(s)?

Thanks

are you planning on running a serm?

Originally Posted by KmuL

PCS has the test boosting properties, but where was your research on the cortisol regarding Cycle Support?

Which ingredient(s)?

Thanks

doh! double-checked my notes and the Cycle Support was for lipid control, not cort control ... looks like I will be adding another cortisol supplement around the third week of PCT ... although the PCS does have test boosting properties, is it enough by itself or would you still recommend a natty test booster being added?

Originally Posted by panther77

are you planning on running a serm?

I was not planning on running a SERM ... there's so much back and forth regarding sources, legality, etc. that I was hoping to do a purely OTC PCT

Originally Posted by strester

doh! double-checked my notes and the Cycle Support was for lipid control, not cort control ... looks like I will be adding another cortisol supplement around the third week of PCT ... although the PCS does have test boosting properties, is it enough by itself or would you still recommend a natty test booster being added?



I was not planning on running a SERM ... there's so much back and forth regarding sources, legality, etc. that I was hoping to do a purely OTC PCT

it is a natty test booster

for the record I do recommend having a SERM on hand for Epi...better yet, run the SERM and add in the PCS with it around week 3 for 4 weeks

Originally Posted by KmuL

it is a natty test booster

for the record I do recommend having a SERM on hand for Epi...better yet, run the SERM and add in the PCS with it around week 3 for 4 weeks

exactly what i would do

Lean X or Endoamp for cort control.

Originally Posted by dg806

Lean X or Endoamp for cort control.

Agreed Lean Xteme is very good for cortisol.

I prefer suggesting SERMs as well, but check this out (non-sponsored). Speedy used Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support for his Oxodrol Pro cycle (Epistane Clone):

12 month cycle free labs:

Originally Posted by Speedy_2007

LIPID
NA 140
K+ 5.2
CL 102
CO2 31
Glucose 103
BUN 26 (marked as high?)

GLOMELULAR FILT
Creatine 1.0
GFR >90

BUN/CREAT Ratio 26.0 (marked as high?)
Total Protein 7.8
Albumin 4.6
Globulin 3.2
A/G Ratio 1.4
Calcium 9.5
Bilirubin Total 0.5
AST (SGOT) 31
ALT (SGPT) 50
ALK PHOS 104

Triglycerides 98
Cholesterol 236 (marked high which it has been since first tested. was 279 at one point)
HDL Cholesterol 40
LDL 176
VLDL 20
CHOL/HDL Ratio 5.9

Estradiol 19.2
Testosterone 513.3

Post Cycle Labs:

Originally Posted by Speedy_2007

Doc called with the labs:

He didn't test everything that he tested the first go 'round so this time he only tested the following:

Estrogen 64 NORMAL <normal range 40 -115 for adult male>
LH 1.5 NORMAL <normal range 1.5-9.3>
*Total Test 200 LOW <normal range 241 - 827 ng/dl>
*Free Test 6.6 LOW <normal range 8.7 - 25.1 pg/ml>
FSH 4.0 NORMAL <normal range 1.4 - 18.1>

So as you can see the Oxodrol Pro (aka Epistane) suppressed my natural testosterone.

So I'm doing the AI's PCS now, will kick in some Lean Xtreme next week, and 6-oxo similar to what dmangiarelli's doing in this thread http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=106361621.
Here are the supplements I've run along side:

Centrum Performance MV
AI Cycle Support @ 1 scoop daily (finished this on Sunday)
2G Flaxseed oil daily (Natrol) still using
5G BCAAs (SciFit) still using
Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey (1-2 scoops daily) still using
Glucosamine and Chondroitin (NOW) still using

Sides were increased acne, pretty severe joint pain in my left shoulder and elbow, and depressed test system. No odd moods, hair falling out, or anything like that. I actually "felt" better than I normally do and was surprised to see the suppression.

Originally Posted by Speedy_2007

OK, I got my PCT labs back and here are the results from what the doc felt needed testing:

Total Test: 545
Free Test: 15.8
Triglycerides 134
Cholesterol 195 (down from 236 pre cycle!!!!)
HDL Cholesterol 35
LDL 133
VLDL 27
Chol/HDL Ratio 5.6

Obviously the AI's Post Cycle Support did it's thing. These labs were a mere 32 days after my post cycle labs that showed drops in test. AI's PCS gets a big thumbs up!

...

thanks for the input all ... found some research chems for my rats and will be using a SERM after all (tamox.citrate) in addition to the cycle support, pcs, and some lean xtreme that I picked up w/ the sweet sale at NP.

This was my bloodwork done the day after a 5 week 75mg per day h-drol cycle. I used PCS and lean Xtreme for my pct.

look like you coulda used some actX to boost your free test

Originally Posted by panther77

look like you coulda used some actX to boost your free test

I know that Stoked/Actx really kicked up the free test.

Originally Posted by stxnas

I prefer suggesting SERMs as well, but check this out (non-sponsored). Speedy used Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support for his Oxodrol Pro cycle (Epistane Clone):

12 month cycle free labs:


Post Cycle Labs:

PCS did raise natural test well.
But his lipids show the need for continued Cycle support use during and past pct. They are still bad and his ratio is terrible. If it stays that way very long, he sets himself up for heart problems. That is why I always preach that you need MORE time off than just the standard "time on = time off" theory.

Originally Posted by dg806

PCS did raise natural test well.
But his lipids show the need for continued Cycle support use during and past pct. They are still bad and his ratio is terrible. If it stays that way very long, he sets himself up for heart problems. That is why I always preach that you need MORE time off than just the standard "time on = time off" theory.

I agree totally on the more time off between cycles.